What is Cancer? What causes it? Is it curable?

reply to post by Skywatcher2011

Vitamin C is a powerful antioxidant which helps rid of harmful toxins from the human body.

Yes, I remember reading about anti-oxidants. Basically, our bodies need oxygen to survive, but the oxygen acts as a catalyst for cell destruction. It's why we age, grow old, and die. The offset is to supplement your diet with anti-oxidants, which reduce that effect.

Vegetables (greens) help with maintaining proper pH balance in the human body.

More needs to be said about greens. The "greens" not only regulate body PH, but provide fiber and other essential nutrients. A diet sparse in greens, as speculation, is another risk factor for cancer?

Originally posted by Druid42
reply to post by Julie Washington

 

FACT: High Dose Vitamin C KILLS Cancer Cells

But doesn't Vitamin C cause blood PH to turn acidic? I'm under the impression that cancer cells thrive in acidic environs.

Can you clarify that?

Sodium Ascorbate is a PH balanced version for IV.

Therefore it is not acidic.

Ascorbic acid is a weak sugar acid structurally related to glucose. In biological systems, ascorbic acid can be found only at low pH, but in neutral solutions above pH 5 is predominantly found in the ionized form, ascorbate.

Source

Sodium ascorbate can reverse the development of atherosclerotic disease, helps in heart attack prevention. In addition sodium ascorbate plays a significant role in the elimination of chronic and acute infections. Moreover, it is considered to be an anti-cancer agent. Sodium ascorbate produces cytotoxic effect in an array of malignant cell lines, which include melanoma cells that are particularly susceptible.

Sodium ascorbate is produced by dissolving ascorbic acid in water and adding an equivalent amount of sodium bicarbonate.

I LOVE that you are asking these questions, because it allows me to provide more detailed factual information. So keep asking questions.

THE BOTTOM LINE:

All diseases and cancers are simply a result of a Vitamin C deficiency.

I urge you all to get the book: Primal Panacea, by Dr. Thomas Levy.

If we all increased our Vitamin C intake - we could put the chemical pharmacuetical machine out of business!

You can make your own ph balanced Liposomal Vitamin C at home for "pennies" per dose.

Liposomal Vitamin C has been said to be 5x's the strength of IV Vitamin C.

The beauty of Vitamin C is it pumps Oxygen into the blood stream that oxidizes into Hydrogen Peroxide which is deadly to Cancer cells!

Originally posted by tetra50

(Fringe Reliquary: If the body is composed of cells, and the cells, molecules, and the molecules, atoms, and the atoms, electrons, protons, and neutrons, which are then composed of quarks, how far back can we go before we dissolve into quantum foam? How does this factor in to the uncontrolled growth of cells?)

reply to post by Druid42

 

Wow. Wish I had a better word for where this took my mind awandering, but am losing brain cells rapidly, and so lose track of my best vocabulary on a regular, and usually most inconvenient timely basis.
Of eveything you wrote, which was fascinating, this really stunned me, with its implications, and even trying to ponder what this could mean. I'll keep trying, though, and maybe have an epiphany while I'm at it. Here's hoping I'm still capable of those.
Great thread, and especially that question for consideration above.

I'm glad you caught that. Sometimes we look for answers on the level we are used to, and sometimes it's helpful to stretch the imagination a bit. It's true the reduction can be traced back to the quantum level, and that understanding how our bodies interact with reality is actually part of the answer, IMO.

Mind over matter? Present more evidence, please, I'm all willing to believe, but in all actuality, we should be able to influence our bodies with our thoughts. There's no reason not to. After all, the neocortex controls our imaginations, and while the extreme reductionist would relegate all that activity to a bunch of sodium and potassium gates opening and closing in a complex fashion, I think there's more to the equation than just simple biological processes. Quantum Physics indicates that we create our own reality, as I'm sure most people are familiar with Schroedinger's Cat.

reply to post by tetra50

Perhaps it is parasitic infestation. Don't laugh. Totally possible.

Parasites are multi-cellular organisms, and cancer occurs at the cellular level. Totally not possible. Parasites would be detected by simple blood tests.

But parasitic infections are disease vectors

Ok, I'll entertain the thought that a parasite could release an enzyme that the body builds anti-bodies against, but the parasite has hypothetically mutated to produce an enzyme the body can't fight off, or isn't used to. Said enzyme would destroy anti-bodies, and would cause rampant cellular growth. Good theme for a sci-fi story.

The historical record shows that largest percentage of cancer patients do not have parasites in their bodies, and their would be many case studies accordingly.

But I did google: "parasites and cancer". I was rather surprised. Go figure.

reply to post by F4guy


I agree with you for the most part. But with nature, there is always a concentration of this, that or the other. A few gold nuggets here and a cache somewhere else.

reply to post by intrptr

Any single cosmic ray, gamma ray or x-ray is enough to mutate a strand, there is no safe low dose. The potential to strike exactly the right part of the gene in order to give rise to cancer is slim. That slim random chance is offset by the number of energetic particles zinging about 24/7 from every direction

So then smoking isn't a factor at all?

Randomized Electromagnetic Radiation is the cause? Let's rule that out, OK?

If RER caused cancer, there would be a higher incident of cancer all over the world. We're all exposed to cosmic, and gamma rays, right?

Here's some revealing information:

Overall the age-standardized cancer rate (excluding non-melanoma skin cancer) is higher in more developed countries. There were 255 cases of cancer diagnosed per 100,000 in more developed regions, compared to 149 in less developed regions in 2008.

If cancer was caused by naturally occurring radiation, I'd expect to see a more even spread, but this report seems to indicate a higher incidence of cancer in developed nations. (I'd suggest poorer countries eat more naturally, is that a factor? It's easy to believe developed countries eat more "junk" food.)

To be more concise, the above link also states the some cancers are more prevalent in undeveloped countries, but the overall rate is lower.

reply to post by Julie Washington

Sodium Ascorbate is a PH balanced version for IV. Therefore it is not acidic.

I did some fact checking, as you Vitamin C advocates can be quite zealous in your position.

Sodium ascorbate is a more bioavailable form of vitamin C that is an alternative to taking ascorbic acid as a supplement.

Solid information. Thank you so much for contributing factual information in this thread. Kudos!

Originally posted by Druid42

Originally posted by tetra50

(Fringe Reliquary: If the body is composed of cells, and the cells, molecules, and the molecules, atoms, and the atoms, electrons, protons, and neutrons, which are then composed of quarks, how far back can we go before we dissolve into quantum foam? How does this factor in to the uncontrolled growth of cells?)

reply to post by Druid42

 

Wow. Wish I had a better word for where this took my mind awandering, but am losing brain cells rapidly, and so lose track of my best vocabulary on a regular, and usually most inconvenient timely basis.
Of eveything you wrote, which was fascinating, this really stunned me, with its implications, and even trying to ponder what this could mean. I'll keep trying, though, and maybe have an epiphany while I'm at it. Here's hoping I'm still capable of those.
Great thread, and especially that question for consideration above.

I'm glad you caught that. Sometimes we look for answers on the level we are used to, and sometimes it's helpful to stretch the imagination a bit. It's true the reduction can be traced back to the quantum level, and that understanding how our bodies interact with reality is actually part of the answer, IMO.

Mind over matter? Present more evidence, please, I'm all willing to believe, but in all actuality, we should be able to influence our bodies with our thoughts. There's no reason not to. After all, the neocortex controls our imaginations, and while the extreme reductionist would relegate all that activity to a bunch of sodium and potassium gates opening and closing in a complex fashion, Quantum Physics indicates that we create our own reality, as I'm sure most people are familiar with Schroedinger's Cat.

I think there's more to the equation than just simple biological processes.

Of course there must be. But never forget, especially taking the quantum situation into the discussion. We are not just bodies existing independently. We inhabit an enironment, and surely this plays a very important role as well, whether as a trigger, or a poisoning event, or something else again, our whole existence is local (our bodies and consciousness) and non-local, in this case, our environment. How these two interact, flux, etc., is still up for debate. Quantum, though, I do not think of as "reality," but truly, this is a whole differerent tangent. Our environment, reality for want of a better word, is only a matter of perception. And quantum is only the current mathematics and particle science we have to describe said environment. Entanglement, of differently perceived realities, and perhaps our dual existences in each place, may even play a part. But I don't think science has quite caught up to that, considering these ideas "woo woo," as yet. Though, I think, this will soon change.
The point is about this quantum, perception, reality, local/nonlocal thing is, it's the best explanation we have to hgo on now. That;s all. There could be much more, and I have a sense there is, to this, even beyond Michio's dimensional theories. It's all theory at this point, really. And if we know nothing else, we know that we find what we look for, and expect to find. That alone should tell us something. That our science is self affirming, what we expect to find.
Great thread. Thanks for stimulating my lack of brian cells.

Did you catch my post about possible parasitic infestations as disease vectors. I think there will be much more about this in the future research, medically.

reply to post by Druid42

So then smoking isn't a factor at all?

Of course it is, I think. You cut off my post. I was only addressing radiation. And by that I mean "ionizing radiation".

Randomized Electromagnetic Radiation is the cause? Let's rule that out, OK?

That is "non - ionizing" radiation. Big difference.

Originally posted by Julie Washington

FACT: High Dose Vitamin C KILLS Cancer Cells

Hmm...FACT: Linus Pauling died of cancer. I guess he didn't get the memo.

Originally posted by MamaJ


Chemotherapy also harms the bodies fighters and is not a valuable cure either.

I appreciate that you studied Acute Lymphoblastic Leukaemia...but have you actually had a child diagnosed with it? It is the most common type of childhood cancer and my family had the misfortune to be affected by it first hand.

My little girl who previously had led a very healthy and active lifestyle became ill at age 6 just before her 7th birthday. She was misdiagnosed for a number of weeks and by the time she was diagnosed she had only 5% healthy cells in her bone marrow and 95% blast cell's. She needed rapid intervention to kill the malignant cell's.

So it depend's on what each person define's as a "valuable" cure. My daughter is 11 now and all the sign's and statistic's suggest there is a very good chance that it won't ever come back ( I'm sure you will know with the studying you did relating to ALL that childhood ALL has a VERY good cure rate with chemotherapy)

So yes....as a mother who has had a child affected by Acute Lymphoblastic Leukaemia I would say that I put a lot of value on the chemotherapy she received and which saved her life.

reply to post by Druid42

Only if you tested for them with appropriate blood tests. Blood tests, on the whole, do not reveal what you are not looking for.

Ok, I'll entertain the thought that a parasite could release an enzyme that the body builds anti-bodies against, but the parasite has hypothetically mutated to produce an enzyme the body can't fight off, or isn't used to. Said enzyme would destroy anti-bodies, and would cause rampant cellular growth. Good theme for a sci-fi story.

The historical record shows that largest percentage of cancer patients do not have parasites in their bodies, and their would be many case studies accordingly.

First, what makes you think the parasite has hypothetically mutated.....parasites generallly have at least three life stages. Which makes them so hard to eradicate. Their first form is a nymph form, where they do not feed, for a few days anyway. The pubescent stage, their bodies change into a different form, and they not only occupy your body's exterior, by definition, the parasite in also living in your body in all its different stages of life. I might mention here, that what kills one stage of their life, frequently does not kill the other stages, making them particularly hard to eradicate. As far as I know, and I will look for some science sourcing to support this before returning, blood tests will only find them if specifically searched for,and their being millions,literally of them, mutating alll the time, makes testing for them quite difficult, and the tests must be specific, looking for just that parasite.
Also, I don't think they exactly produce an enzyme. They are far more clever than this to further their life expectancy and ability to mutate so as not to be eradicated. What they do is leave some kind of "marker" behind, subtly changing your chemistry in a way that will not destroy them, but flag you, in a way, chemistry wise, as a perfect host, drawing ever more parasites to you, making you the perfect host. And no enzyme or antibody is produced to fight them off, particularly in patients who are immuniologically challenged. And the parasite mutates quickly so if said antibodies or enzymes to fight them are produced, they mutate, and in fact use this change, to mark you as a perfect host for others, proliferating their existence and survival.

The rampant cellular growth that you refer to is where cancer would enter the picture. Cells dividing rampantly to try to control the burrowing damage the parasites are wreaking on your body; ergo, cancer, uncontrolled celll division trying to cure an incurable wound, as many of these parasites are not only disease vectors, but burrowers, feeding on either your blood or the tissues of your body. Not so sci-fi really, if you start looking into the research. And I will return soon with some medical abstracts supporting just these theories.

In fact, there are case studies accordingly. But it is a new topic of research, as I mentioned earlier, the previous medical specialty for this would be Tropical Medicine, and is practiced rarely, if at all, in this country. Did you know in third world, tropical countries they eat ivermectin pills daily like aspirin? Do some more googling. Think you might be surprised.

It has long been recognized that Chrohn's and other gastrointestinal diseases may in fact have an etiology that begins with parasitic involvement, not discovered becasue the tests weren't looking for that. Test are not all inclusive. They look for certain things; they do not address every possible condition.

reply to post by intrptr


You didn't specify the type of radiation. Sorry, my misunderstanding. Thanks for clarifying.

reply to post by Logos23


My step son died of it. He was 10 when he was diagnosed and 15 when he passed. None of the treatments worked for him. He had a lot of "friends" from the clinic pass as well. It was a living nightmare!

I'm glad your daughter is free from it today and I truly hope she stays in remission.

It was six months from the time he got sick til the time they diagnosed. His cancer cells matured and multiplied enough that they never went away. They hid.

reply to post by Logos23

My daughter is 11 now and all the sign's and statistic's suggest there is a very good chance that it won't ever come back ( I'm sure you will know with the studying you did relating to ALL that childhood ALL has a VERY good cure rate with chemotherapy)

I think you love her even more. She's a survivor.

What strikes me most about your post is that she was 6 when she underwent chemo. We've already stressed that cells duplicate, and each nucleus is a copy of a copy. Children have had fewer copies, and adults, many, and logic dictates that if the abnormal cells are removed at an early age, the cells won't produce as many bad "copies" of the nucleus.

Following the same logic, the later in life you produce cancerous cells, the less likely a recovery. But, that is not true. Case studies present survivability regardless of age. That's an anomaly that needs addressed.

Ya know, all kinds of stuff are said to cause cancer.

I will give you some history with my case study, first hand.

Where my step son lived from the age of 5 was near a creek he often played in. In the town where he lived there were battery casings buried underneath driveways as the battery plant was not only near his house operating .... near the creek too. The creek was a very unhealthy place to be as was his back yard. The EPA found 4000(!!!!!) times the amount of lead that should be there. Where his club house was... the same. UNREAL! I have a dear friend still today, he fought ten years to get the plant shut down.

Word is, living by power plants may lead to cancer. LOTS of stuff are "said" to lead to cancer but the research continues. Who knows!? I really think virus's and stress do it. Right before he got sick he became so depressed. He was unhappy at home and I remember him hanging out in a tree while I talked with him about his issues he had going on. I try hard not to think back on those days.... I get lost in them.

When my step son was at his strongest, they did not do a bone marrow transplant (his bro was a match) because where he "relapsed" was in his testicles and that was not considered a relapse to leukemia but "testicular cancer". The protocol has changed now!!! NOW, it has changed. I will tell all of you how mad I was they would not go ahead and do it. It had to be "protocol". I called St. Judes and they told me they would do the same... not do it.

reply to post by MamaJ


I am sorry for your loss.

It's frustrating, trying to understand.

Only by presenting our thoughts can we accept reality.

Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck

Originally posted by Julie Washington

FACT: High Dose Vitamin C KILLS Cancer Cells

Hmm...FACT: Linus Pauling died of cancer. I guess he didn't get the memo.

You know it's crap posts like this that add nothing to the thread.

Please note: Vitamin C will not make you immortal.

Linus Pauling died at the age of 93.

But wouldn't it be nice to live disease free until your 90's? I think so. I've got a lot of years left.

reply to post by MamaJ


I am truly saddened by your families experiences...and although I can't profess to know exactly what you went through my word's are genuine and heartfelt

Where my daughter was treated 4/5 year's ago at the start and for a period of two and a half year's, around five children a week were admitted to the hospital with standard ALL....none of them passed away during the two and half years I spent in the hospital...although in that period of time two children who had a past history of ALL were admitted because it had come back.

I just wanted to make the point that in the UK at least ( I'm not knowledgeable about other countries) that most children with ALL have a very high cure rate with chemotherapy.....although in view of your families experience I have little doubt it is of any consolation or solace.....again, I am truly saddened for your huge loss

Cancer is a disease related to your diet, an autoimmune disease. It means that if you don't treat your body properly you will get the big C.