Shape-Shifting Jesus Described in Ancient Egyptian Text

David Icke should use this in his next presentation! Amazing.

I'm not counting out shape-shifting. I hope it's true, it makes for a more interesting world.

HOWEVER i think it's a big leap to make. no?

Shape Shifting Jesus sounds like a new Christian action figure.

Originally posted by MrConspiracy
I'm not counting out shape-shifting. I hope it's true, it makes for a more interesting world.

HOWEVER i think it's a big leap to make. no?

A big leap from what?
turning wine into water, walking on water coming back from the dead, a immaculate birth?

Which 'action figure', old or even new, could walk on water, drive out demons on command, heals the sick with even just touching his cloak, and has more than a billion followers today, and many more in the past, progressing and evolving based on his teachings and acknowedges its truths and efficacy in daily lives?

I am sure our ancestors, regardless if cavemen or 18th century prude, could differentiate between fairy tales and historical chronicles. In fairy tales, its stories are delightful, good to get kids to sleep but will no way of relevancy in its help to the progress and evolution of mankind, for they are fiction, of far away magical lands and happenings.

Historical chronicles on the other hand, chronicles our civilisation, teaches flawed mankinds its mistakes so that they can correct them, and progress, evolve morally and ethically, relevant in all ages as while the eras may be different, human nature had always remain loosely the same since recorded history had proven.

Even athiest, those whom had sought for peace and had hurt or harm no one, followed those moral and ethical guidelines even as they in their prideful arrogance pooh-pah its source.

Looking around us today, dare anyone claim we as a race had not often repeated the same mistakes time and time again?

High time we all re-look and study history properly and honestly if we are to progress and evolve, instead of denying it ever happened as atheists often do or rewrite and whitewashed them as fundamentalists often do.

This video tells a different story again and its apparently one of the only books written from the time of Jesus by his brother. Seems the leaders of the day may of been serving their own agenda to flatter the people of the time.



The message of Jesus is pretty similar but no mention of being a God or the Son of God. The only mention is a "Servant of God".

reply to post by zilebeliveunknown


I am not clear on how some old text, dated a full 800 years AFTER Jesus' time on Earth, is relevant. There have been plenty of false stories and spin-offs since His time, that were not accurate. How is this one any different?

Originally posted by LadyGreenEyes


I am not clear on how some old text, dated a full 800 years AFTER Jesus' time on Earth, is relevant. There have been plenty of false stories and spin-offs since His time, that were not accurate. How is this one any different?

Truth stands in the light and has no fear of anything.

The books of our Messiah's disciples do speaks of such capability of him being unrecognisable to others. Those disciples were only ordinary laymen -fisherman, farmers and traders, not scholars and may not have the proper scientific terms to describe such physical manifestations, and thus wrote as they saw it, as was how our Messiah wanted it written, so that latter more educated generations can understand.

What matters is not so much of the miracles that our Messiah had done, but rather his message which was far more relevant to mankind in daily lives for progress and evolution.

As to spin offs or stories, always check back to the source for cross referencing - the disciples who lived with him during his time.

Our Messiah sought for no statues or pictures created. He needed nothing of it, for it was his teachings from our common Creator that he wanted us all to remember and follow. He knows how physical manifestations can fool others, and thus it will be by his words that he will be recognised.

And it will be by such that we mankind will know who he will be when he returns, not by false proclaminations or deviated teachings, for even satan can mouthed biblical qoutes and actions, but by our hearts and rational minds.

Firstly I am a Christian by belief though I might raise a few eyebrow at the conclave of nicea.

Jesus said "God is a spirit"

when he was asked about the woman whom had married seven brother's one after the other as to whose wife she would be in the resurrection he said that in the resurrection you would neither be given nor taken in marriage as you would have a new body like the angels a universal (celestial) body (spirit) and there was no difference between a man and a woman in the resurrection (so what the hell is the problem with some fundementalists when it come's to woman priest's). (oh and no fourty virgin's in a garden eh! it predate's such nonsense by 600+ year's)

He said He that believeth in ME though he were dead ( A spirit as well as sinner's) yet shall they live and Whomever believeth in ME and live shall never die,.

What is of the earth (the body) must return to the earth dust to dust.
What is of god must return to god (Spirit).

He was the son of A spirit (God is a spirit) whom was manifest into corporeal form through the virgin mary whom herself was the childe of a miracle birth and was sent for exactly this purpose.

God created life so a manifestation of God that became incarnate and materialised a physical form could suffer death and yet still be, His wound's are more real because they are wound's taken to the spirit yet He can not truly die as say I or You can because it is He or rather the spirit of the Father within him whom created life, though He suffered full physical death he did rise after 3 day's and after 40 day's he ascended after his death it rained even on those whom had pierced him and this was also his blood that washed there sin's away many dead rose from there tomb's (spirit's though as it attested he can raise the dead body as well as he did in many miracle's still what is of the earth must return to the earth except the like's of enoch or mary).

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101

Originally posted by LadyGreenEyes


I am not clear on how some old text, dated a full 800 years AFTER Jesus' time on Earth, is relevant. There have been plenty of false stories and spin-offs since His time, that were not accurate. How is this one any different?

Truth stands in the light and has no fear of anything.

The books of our Messiah's disciples do speaks of such capability of him being unrecognisable to others. Those disciples were only ordinary laymen -fisherman, farmers and traders, not scholars and may not have the proper scientific terms to describe such physical manifestations, and thus wrote as they saw it, as was how our Messiah wanted it written, so that latter more educated generations can understand.

What matters is not so much of the miracles that our Messiah had done, but rather his message which was far more relevant to mankind in daily lives for progress and evolution.

As to spin offs or stories, always check back to the source for cross referencing - the disciples who lived with him during his time.

Our Messiah sought for no statues or pictures created. He needed nothing of it, for it was his teachings from our common Creator that he wanted us all to remember and follow. He knows how physical manifestations can fool others, and thus it will be by his words that he will be recognised.

And it will be by such that we mankind will know who he will be when he returns, not by false proclaminations or deviated teachings, for even satan can mouthed biblical qoutes and actions, but by our hearts and rational minds.

Well, I certainly would not let such a tale affect my faith. The "shape-shifting" part doesn't concern me at all. The business about some supposed offer by Pilate, now, flies in the face of the Bible stories of the events, and thus makes the entire story a false one.

As for images, the propensity people have for idol worship is another reason He didn't encourage such things. While I have no objections to a picture in a book, representing Jesus in a Bible story, there are people that tend to go totally nuts over images. Look at how people claim to see "the face of Jesus" in this or that; a piece of toast, a cloud, tree bark, whatever. Then, tons of people flock to see the supposed image, as though it has some special power. There is a reason people are referred to as sheep; they are too easily lead. His sheep, though, know the voice of their Shepherd, and we will know when He returns.

reply to post by LadyGreenEyes

Good keep god in your heart., I also doubt the validity of the scripture as amongst many other movement's spun from the early Coptic church were the gnostic's whom owed more to pagan practice and the hermetica than the gospel's, even known to create such heretical Gnostic text's such as the supposed gospel of mary magedelan or judas to encapsulate there coded belief, they were expunged from the Coptic church (not all thing's done by the church are Christian).

I would recommend you look up the story of the iconoclasm, a civil war that nearly tore the eastern church apart, we whom use icon's do not believe they are god but they are a way to pray to god not because god is in them but because he is in our mind as we use them to pray, without faith they are little more than work's of devotional are with the possible exception of the cactus cloth tilma of Juan Diego in mexico city or the turin shroud whose tester on his death bed admitted he probably included medieval weave from the repair's in the carbon dating.

Originally posted by zilebeliveunknown
Well ATS, here's another controversial finding about most contoversial person in human history.

This isn't news. It's just ignored by most people. The Gospels are quite clear that Jesus had the ability to appear to the Apostles as different people, and they often had trouble recognizing him.

Mark 16:12-13
12 After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.
13 And they went and told it unto the residue: neither believed they them.

Luke 24:13-17
13 And, behold, two of them went that same day to a village called Emmaus, which was from Jerusalem about threescore furlongs.
14 And they talked together of all these things which had happened.
15 And it came to pass, that, while they communed together and reasoned, Jesus himself drew near, and went with them.
16 But their eyes were holden that they should not know him.
17 And he said unto them, What manner of communications are these that ye have one to another, as ye walk, and are sad?

Originally posted by LABTECH767
reply to post by LadyGreenEyes

 

Good keep god in your heart., I also doubt the validity of the scripture as amongst many other movement's spun from the early Coptic church were the gnostic's whom owed more to pagan practice and the hermetica than the gospel's, even known to create such heretical Gnostic text's such as the supposed gospel of mary magedelan or judas to encapsulate there coded belief, they were expunged from the Coptic church (not all thing's done by the church are Christian).

I would recommend you look up the story of the iconoclasm, a civil war that nearly tore the eastern church apart, we whom use icon's do not believe they are god but they are a way to pray to god not because god is in them but because he is in our mind as we use them to pray, without faith they are little more than work's of devotional are with the possible exception of the cactus cloth tilma of Juan Diego in mexico city or the turin shroud whose tester on his death bed admitted he probably included medieval weave from the repair's in the carbon dating.

edit on 13-3-2013 by LABTECH767 because: (no reason given)

The Gnostic teachings aren't considered part of the Bible, by most scholars, as much of what they taught did not agree with Scripture. So, I don't consider the fact that they existed as a reason to distrust the Bible. Even today, most such texts are considered by those trying to deny the deity of Jesus.

As for icons, I do understand that there are reasonable uses, but the fact remains that some (not all) do shift the focus from God being represented to the figure/image itself. The Turin shroud? Well, that's a topic for an entire thread! I can consider that it could be real, or that it could be faked. Either way, doesn't change what I believe.

reply to post by Blue Shift


Well, maybe. Those verses more indicate that their ability to recognize Him was affected, but that doesn't necessarily mean His looks changed. He could simply have made them forget how He looked, for a time. Either is possible. Doesn't really matter, in any case.

For me, the text around Pilate doesn't seem right. From this period of time, there is physical evidence that Pontious pilate existed - the only character in the New testament.

Jerusalem was a hotbed of trouble for the Roman Empire and so they would have had sent a no-nonsense leader that ruled Jerusalem with a rod of iron. So why would Pilate entertain a troublemaker?

I know that Pilate is seen as the good guy in the bible and Herod the bad guy - but Herod was a puppet for the Roman Empire. Pilate was the real power, not Herod. This model of dealing with local Kings was copied across the empire including warlords in the UK.

reply to post by Rubic0n


No not a big leap from the existing stories. A big leap from what was said and how it was interpreted.

reply to post by hounddoghowlie


That was after his crucifixion. He had already defeated death and been resurrected as the conqueror. Therefore I don't think these two situations can be compared as equal. Nice recollection of the word though bra.

reply to post by LABTECH767


Mary , mother of Jesus died on this earth . Elijiah was taken up off this earth as was Enoch . Elijiah and Enoch are both alive today and Moses is dead as a hammer . Enoch and Elijiah will both come down and be the two witnesses in Jerusalem and will die on this earth as we will . It is appointed unto man to die the first death Lazarus died twice .

Originally posted by DarknStormy
Wait a minute.. If he could shapeshift, become a spirit, why didn't he just shapeshift himself off the cross?

errr,,,, because it was his job to die for mankind, to wash away their sins so that they could get in to heaven, i thought that was the whole basis of christianity and everyone knew that, otherwise what would be the point of remembering him for the last 2000 years? he wanted to die up on that cross!

I am not chiming in for or against the story. I think it is all suspect. But there are biblical passages that relate that someone walked past Jesus and didn't notice him. People would look at and interact with him, and not realize it was him until he chose to recognize them.

Not exactly corroborating evidence....but there ya go.

Whats new about shape shifting. In his altered state he could go through matter yet be touched. There's nothing new here. Nothing at all.