ATS Exclusive - Turkey UFO Incident - New Details - A Fresh Look At The Kumburgaz Case 2007 to 2009

I think that this case is very convincing.

The debunking theories are very poor.

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Has anyone contacted Dr Roger Leir regarding the footage he took when he was there?

Recently I was given high quality versions of the 2008 footage which are not as degraded as the Youtube copies of copies. These also are Youtube but they are very close if not just as close as 1st generation quality. Because some of the links in this thread are now going to dead links I am going to ensure these videos remain online and not be deleted.

1. The objects in these videos were in the sky over the sea and filmed from the shoreline of Turkey. The entire details of the case need not be gone over again---see original post.

2008 High Quality Version Turkey UFO Videos.

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June 12 Footage



July 2 Footage



June 8 Footage



June 16 Footage



August 31 Footage



May 23 Footage




There is more to come on this with better footage from 2007.

Please comment as this is a very important case. I would like to hear all the video experts on ATS chime in.

flexy123
This is correct, however you ignore that the UFO has lights.

Why are the lights always stationary and never changing position towards the observer, even throughout the years? Why are they symmetrically lined up in relation to the observer?

You have that website and NEVER thought about this, something which struck me within 15 secs watching the footage?

Very often UFOs appear because they want to be seen. This is why they are facing the camera. They appear in the sky because they want to get people's attention. This is also why they came back to the same location on different occasions...they were not sightseeing.

EnPassant

flexy123
This is correct, however you ignore that the UFO has lights.

Why are the lights always stationary and never changing position towards the observer, even throughout the years? Why are they symmetrically lined up in relation to the observer?

You have that website and NEVER thought about this, something which struck me within 15 secs watching the footage?

Very often UFOs appear because they want to be seen. This is why they are facing the camera. They appear in the sky because they want to get people's attention. This is also why they came back to the same location on different occasions...they were not sightseeing.

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The UFO "wants to be seen"?


What does it do if there are multiple people filming from different angles? How does it know which camera to face?

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in this case there was a definite malfunction in the navigation matrix. If you look closely, you notice that there is no movement whatsoever. There is also no transition between the day shots and the night shots. In fact there is a gap in the time
why? My theory is that the ufo needed time to look cooler so it sent messages to the camera man to stop and get coffee. Thus eliminating any chance of seeing that the two images are connected in any way.

draknoir2

EnPassant

flexy123
This is correct, however you ignore that the UFO has lights.

Why are the lights always stationary and never changing position towards the observer, even throughout the years? Why are they symmetrically lined up in relation to the observer?

You have that website and NEVER thought about this, something which struck me within 15 secs watching the footage?

Very often UFOs appear because they want to be seen. This is why they are facing the camera. They appear in the sky because they want to get people's attention. This is also why they came back to the same location on different occasions...they were not sightseeing.

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The UFO "wants to be seen"?
What does it do if there are multiple people filming from different angles? How does it know which camera to face?

Yes ufos want to be seen. This is very obvious from accounts.
Which case with multiple camera angles are you talking about?

ZetaRediculian
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in this case there was a definite malfunction in the navigation matrix. If you look closely, you notice that there is no movement whatsoever. There is also no transition between the day shots and the night shots. In fact there is a gap in the time
why? My theory is that the ufo needed time to look cooler so it sent messages to the camera man to stop and get coffee. Thus eliminating any chance of seeing that the two images are connected in any way.

You need to refer me to the exact video and the times you are referring to. I presume that you are talking about 8:56 pm May 22 to 2:50 am May 23 ? This is just an artefact of the editing I presume.

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Yes ufos want to be seen. This is very obvious from accounts.
Which case with multiple camera angles are you talking about?

he is assuming aliens have a concept of front. With UFOs being round, you put 2 aliens in every w-indow. That way they always face the camera. Not to mention that the cockpit rotates a full 360 degrees. That's the whole point about being round.

ZetaRediculian
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Yes ufos want to be seen. This is very obvious from accounts.
Which case with multiple camera angles are you talking about?

he is assuming aliens have a concept of front. With UFOs being round, you put 2 aliens in every window. That way they always face the camera. Not to mention that the cockpit rotates a full 360 degrees. That's the whole point about being round.

The Jupiter 2 only had windows on the front.

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oh, good point.

ZetaRediculian
reply to post by EnPassant

 

Yes ufos want to be seen. This is very obvious from accounts.
Which case with multiple camera angles are you talking about?

he is assuming aliens have a concept of front. With UFOs being round, you put 2 aliens in every w-indow. That way they always face the camera. Not to mention that the cockpit rotates a full 360 degrees. That's the whole point about being round.

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If they want to create a sighting they may have a concept of 'face the camera'. Clearly, if this video is real it is, like many sightings, a piece of sky theatre. This is what the ufonauts are good at.

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If they want to create a sighting they may have a concept of 'face the camera'. Clearly, if this video is real it is, like many sightings, a piece of sky theatre. This is what the ufonauts are good at.

If this video is real and that was "sky theatre" then the aliens are here to bore us to death. This has got to be the longest most uneventful ufo sightings caught on film ever. holly cow. "sky theatre" to me would be like pink Floyd laser show, F16 Thunderbirds, giant movie screen with porn. Anything. Move just a little bit, please?

ZetaRediculian
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If they want to create a sighting they may have a concept of 'face the camera'. Clearly, if this video is real it is, like many sightings, a piece of sky theatre. This is what the ufonauts are good at.

If this video is real and that was "sky theatre" then the aliens are here to bore us to death. This has got to be the longest most uneventful ufo sightings caught on film ever. holly cow. "sky theatre" to me would be like pink Floyd laser show, F16 Thunderbirds, giant movie screen with porn. Anything. Move just a little bit, please?

It is not entertainment,it is to get our attention. This is why ufos appear, they are creating the ufo myth. They are creating ufo consciousness.

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It is not entertainment,it is to get our attention. This is why ufos appear, they are creating the ufo myth. They are creating ufo consciousness.

theatre is entertainment. well, its supposed to be. Is it possible they appear because their cloaking devices fail consistently?

ZetaRediculian
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theatre is entertainment. well, its supposed to be. Is it possible they appear because their cloaking devices fail consistently?

Salt water messes with electronics.

reply to post by EnPassant

Very often UFOs appear because they want to be seen.

I don't have the benefit of an advanced alien mind but I would think that if they want to be seen it may help to appear a little closer to their target viewer.

In all the time this Kumburgaz fiasco was going on not one vid or pic from anyone close enough to the UFO to allow a positive identification? Horse# would smell springtime fresh compared to this nonsense.

DenyObfuscation
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Very often UFOs appear because they want to be seen.

I don't have the benefit of an advanced alien mind but I would think that if they want to be seen it may help to appear a little closer to their target viewer.
In all the time this Kumburgaz fiasco was going on not one vid or pic from anyone close enough to the UFO to allow a positive identification? Horse# would smell springtime fresh compared to this nonsense.

Some will believe in this event. And that's the point. They only make themselves visible enough to keep the myth going. By remaining semi secret they have divided the world into atheist, agnostic and believer with regard to the reality of ufos. It is they that determine the level of belief among people. They do this to create a 'sieve' that separates a small number of people to serve them. They don't want to remain entirely invisible but they don't want proof - the smoking gun - either.

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So you think this "UFO" was not visible to those in closer proximity?

DenyObfuscation
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So you think this "UFO" was not visible to those in closer proximity?

I don't know. Was it?