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CigaretteMan
I am not longer going to read or responde to Zetarediculan (mispelled BTW) or Freelance Zanarchist
The reason why is because they are not contributing any data to the thread and are not interested in having a serious conversation.
Whenever their points are shot down they simply change topic and try again with something else.
CigaretteMan
reply to post by ZetaRediculian
I agree with Dr. Bruce Maccabee that this is not a hoax.
It may be something else of course because 90% of ufos can be identified, but not a hoax.
And BTW Jeff Ritzmann who is ATS image analyst also thinks it is NOT A HOAX and he talked about this on his weekly radio show. Now Jeff feels it needs more investigation but he again he says he thinks its not a hoax.
CigaretteMan
I am not longer going to read or responde to Zetarediculan (mispelled BTW)
CigaretteMan
I am not longer going to read or responde to Zetarediculan (mispelled BTW) or Freelance Zanarchist
The reason why is because they are not contributing any data to the thread and are not interested in having a serious conversation.
Whenever their points are shot down they simply change topic and try again with something else.
So from now on I only am talking to serious individuals who are interested in actually being productive.
The light source in the above video is coming from the moon.
There is no other way to explain the shifting of light and shadow across the object other than some kind of movement.
My guess is they once again will make the claim that I never posted something having to do with the object moving.
freelance_zenarchist
reply to post by ZetaRediculian
I used to think that clip was a model, mostly because of the way it's always cropped off on the bottom. But then mr. cigs posted that clip showing the shadow move across it and that made me believe it was shot outside. Like you said it could be a shadow of anything, like a person moving around the room it was filmed in, but there's a shot of the object and the moon in the same frame and it's a very long zoom so he would need alot of room indoors.
I don't think a hoaxer would go to such elaborate ends as to film a model indoors, with the moon in the frame and then make the video look completely obscured and unidentifiable. It's too much work for something easily achieved by just going outside and filming something off in the distance that you can't quite make out.
I think Yalmin was just strolling on the beach and whatever he was looking at was obstructed enough to give it a mysterious appearance.
There's still nothing that shows this object is in the air or moving though. He filmed it 26 times and never once caught it arriving or leaving. That's very telling.edit on 18-9-2013 by freelance_zenarchist because: (no reason given)
just out of curiosity, have you ever driven in the fog? All you can see sometimes is the car lights and not the car. This happens at night too. Do you then think that the lights are UFOs?
ATSZOMBIE
Not even close?! And if it was so..where's the rest of the ship in the video?!!? LOL funny how the light only hits 1 part and not the whole f****Ing 500ft ship! Failkure.
reply to post by wmd_2008
KIZZZY
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/dc3d17cdf525.jpg[/atsimg]
LQQKS about right to me!
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/4997a282ec4b.jpg[/atsimg]
StvUK
Mario Valdes from Chile carried out an image analysis in 2012 and his results definitely fall down on the side of cigaretteman. The following link can be found on the coast to coast web site
Take a look here Archivos Ovni - Video Analysis of the Kumburgaz UFO
AllIsOne
I can say with 100% certainty that the video was shot inside a room (if this is the original audio). While everybody concentrated on the visuals I analyzed the audio. Due to early reflections it is apparent, especially at 0:30, that the video was shot inside a rather small space.
If you'd like to learn more about early reflections:
www.tonmeister.ca...
Do they claim that the video was shot inside a room through a window? If it was shot "outside" then it's a fake ...
AllIsOne
reply to post by Human_Alien
Nah, little toy UFO's shouldn't shake your boots ...
In my opinion the videos are a clever combination of filming a model in a small room (the audio track confirms that), and then cutting to actual outdoor footage at a beach. I speculate that the object in the outdoor footage is a partially lit boat, or some other floating object that was there at the time.
For those who want to explore my "small room theory": download the original audio, then analyze the direct audio and the room information (early reflections) with a MS decoder. Don't take my word for it, but see for yourself.
Thanks for your time.
AllIsOne
reply to post by Human_Alien
My friend,
I cannot speak for others. I don't know what the good Dr. was thinking, but data doesn't lie. It's clear to me that the night time footage was not recorded in an open space. Open space doesn't give you early reflections.