The Book of Revelation - Decoded in all it's Glory

Originally posted by metalholic
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Where was Jesus crucified?

Golgatha, just outside the city walls of old Jerusalem.

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"The sea", is Mediterranean Sea. The only Sea known to John.

"The sea" is identified by the beasts associated with it. The beast from the sea, and the beast of the land, are analogous to the mythological Leviathan and Behemoth, making the sea, the primordial Abyss.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by metalholic
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Where was Jesus crucified?

Golgatha, just outside the city walls of old Jerusalem.

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8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Holy Bible

Please say no more!

Originally posted by jmdewey60
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"The sea", is Mediterranean Sea. The only Sea known to John.

"The sea" is identified by the beasts associated with it. The beast from the sea, and the beast of the land, are analogous to the mythological Leviathan and Behemoth, making the sea, the primordial Abyss.

The Leviathan and Behemoth were Biblical references to what we today would call dinosaurs.

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"Spiritually called".

Literally called: Jerusalem.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by jmdewey60
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"The sea", is Mediterranean Sea. The only Sea known to John.

"The sea" is identified by the beasts associated with it. The beast from the sea, and the beast of the land, are analogous to the mythological Leviathan and Behemoth, making the sea, the primordial Abyss.

The Leviathan and Behemoth were Biblical references to what we today would call dinosaurs.

7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

The leviathan is actually the spiral of time and the spiritual snake known as kundalini.

Originally posted by metalholic

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by jmdewey60
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"The sea", is Mediterranean Sea. The only Sea known to John.

"The sea" is identified by the beasts associated with it. The beast from the sea, and the beast of the land, are analogous to the mythological Leviathan and Behemoth, making the sea, the primordial Abyss.

The Leviathan and Behemoth were Biblical references to what we today would call dinosaurs.

7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

The leviathan is actually the spiral of time and the spiritual snake known as kundalini.

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Correct. Did you notice that midway through Daniel's 70th week the beast possesses the man of sin?

Most people who try to successfully interpret revelations, like the OP - fall victim to it.


While the Spirit and the Bride united and comingled (spirit of God and man) say come and let all who hear say come and freely drink the living water (which is the non dual water of eternal life), with the tree of the duality of good and evil (judgement) conspicuously absent.

Anyone who reads revelation and then attempts to demonize God, or unite God and the devil has simply fallen victim to it, which is a prophecy designed to both goad and test the mettle of God's faithful.

Those who call out for destruction and the tribulation and the rapture - also FAIL.

Let us now turn to the last page, behold the beauty of what's freely offered as an all-inclusive but non-coercive invitation, sigh, and then close the book in peace and for the love of God. Amen.

You will notice in the book of revelations it brings up the new earth or jesus's kingdom which will be peace on earth since the nations have united under him.

Well I want to point this out. If the rapture means you leave your physical body just to return to the earth again under Jesus's rule.

Isn't it obvious that the people that die everyday are being raptured!

So basically in the same moment you fear death your asking for it. Because all it is is the cycle of reincarnation.

Don't go wishing for stuff you haven't took the time to understand.

I briskly walked through this and when I got to:

"When everyone gets the mark of the beast they get the mark of god..."

I had to stop my brisk walk and started to run!

Having majored in religion, I will give you the courtesy and ask, is this post just for flags and stars, or
are you just posting for fun? Are you trolling, since you say this is your last?

The Mark of the Beast is a physical mark you can see. The mark of God, as you say, is not a mark.
They are "sealed" by God and it's something you cannot see. God seals them through the Holy Spirit
whereas Satan ("seals") marks man through man and is a physical mark we can see, because man in the human form will only believeth what he sees, when he should believeth in what he cannot see, which is God.
Free Will will make most accept the mark, when they should Trust in God by not accepting the physical,
which lasts but a short time wheres the Spiritual lasts with Christ Forever.

One is Spiritually accomplished, the other is physically accomplished --exact opposite,
for Satan has always tried to pass himself as Christ, but is the exact opposite of He, who is
the Son of Man, not "he" who wishes to be the ruler of man.

"The sea", is Mediterranean Sea. The only Sea known to John.

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Sea of Gallilee ?
Pretty sure he knew that one

Originally posted by cody599

"The sea", is Mediterranean Sea. The only Sea known to John.

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Sea of Gallilee ?
Pretty sure he knew that one

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Add to that the sea of uncertainty!

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Yeah when you stopped reading you missed the answer! Cause scripture backs it up.

Like anything you try to sell it's how you sell it.

I like to imagine Jesus as the fallen serpent myself.

Runes back that to.

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Doing drugs and then posting on ATS isn't a good idea. This was a joke right? You don't believe this. So God is the devil. The bible was wrote by scrying. Behemoth is a spiraling time snake. Nothing to add to this. Just wanted to say thanks for the laugh.

Btw you should check up on how many seas and oceans they had then. Someone already wrote this if you were too blitzed to see. So there goes your theory.

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Sorry man I don't sit around and do drugs. i hope that wasn't to big of a buzz kill for you. uh I don't see my theory out the window any where.

Since I read and I'm sure you don't because you sound like an everyday idiot. i really could care less.

You found it necessary to bump me though

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Please realize what I just did in this thread. I basically made the Christian faithful look ridiculous as god wallowed in sin the whole time.

Actually...all you showed was that you are someone how doesn't investigated with any depth.

The beast is 666 - 6 carbon also the 6 senses of man.

Revelation 13:18 Here is wisdom. He that hath understanding, let him count the number of the beast; for it is the number of a man: and his number is Six hundred and sixty and six.

Obviously you don't have any wisdom or else you would offer a solution where the number 666 relates to an actual specific man. The actual answer...

"The letters inscribed in the Pope's miter are these 'VICARIUS FILII DEI'. which is the Latin for 'VICAR OF THE SON OF GOD.' Catholics hold that the church, which is a visible society, must have a visible head...., as head of the church, was given the title, 'VICAR OF CHRIST'."
Our Sunday Visitor, (Catholic Weekly) "Bureau of information," Huntington, Ind., April 18, 1915.

Vicar of Christ . . . Title used almost exclusively of the Bishop of Rome as successor of Peter and, therefore, the one in the Church who particularly takes the place of Christ; but used also of bishops in general and even of priests. First used by the Roman Synod of A.D. 495 to refer to Pope Gelasius; more commonly in Roman curial usage to refer to the Bishop of Rome during the pontificate of Pope Eugene III (1145-1153). Pope Innocent III (1198-1216) asserted explicitly that the Pope is the Vicar of Christ; further defined at the Council of Florence in the Decree for the Greeks (1439) and Vatican Council I in Pastor Aerternus (1870). The Second Vatican Council, in Lumen Gentium , n.27, calls bishops in general "vicars and legates of Christ." All bishops are vicars of Christ for their local churches in their ministerial functions as priest, prophet, and king, as the Pope is for the universal church; the title further denotes they exercise their authority in the Church not by delegation from any other person, but from Christ Himself."
Source: Catholic Dictionary, Peter M.J. Stravinskas, Editor, published by Our Sunday Visitor, Inc., Huntington, 1993, pp. 484-485.

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1. (witch)

6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God,

So what does the Bible associate a woman with in earlier scripture, is it a witch?

Micah 4:10 Be in pain, and labour to bring forth, O daughter of Zion, like a woman in travail: for now shalt thou go forth out of the city, and thou shalt dwell in the field, and thou shalt go even to Babylon; there shalt thou be delivered; there the LORD shall redeem thee from the hand of thine enemies.

We see this 'woman', God's anointed 'daughter of Zion' is not contained to a city (fixed location) as an order is given for her to 'go forth out of the city'...in this case of symbolism this 'daughter' associated with being of God resembles a group of faithful people.

Isaiah 62:11, 12 Behold, the LORD has proclaimed unto the ends of the earth, Say you to the daughter of Zion, Behold, your salvation comes; behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him. And they shall call them, The holy people, The redeemed of the LORD: and you shall be called, Sought out, A city not forsaken.

Daughter of Zion = the holy people, the redeemed of the LORD or a city not forsaken

Zephaniah 3:12-15 But I will leave within you the meek and humble, who trust in the name of the LORD. 13 The remnant of Israel will do no wrong; they will speak no lies, nor will deceit be found in their mouths. They will eat and lie down and no one will make them afraid."

14 Sing, O Daughter of Zion; shout aloud, O Israel! Be glad and rejoice with all your heart, O Daughter of Jerusalem! 15 The LORD has taken away your punishment, he has turned back your enemy. The LORD, the King of Israel, is with you; never again will you fear any harm

Talking about this anointed woman of God again, this 'Daughter of Zion/Jerusalem', Zephaniah likens this to a faithful remnant group of people that are saved in their LORD.

The references I have presented suggest a faithful remnant group of people with some possibility of a non-specific city association as well.

In Revelation 12 we read about a designated woman of God. We see in verses 4 and 5 that this woman bears a Child we would recognize to be Jesus. We see her have to flee into the wilderness (go into hiding or under official State oppression) for this 1260 prophetic day period (v.6). In verse 13, the next mention of the woman, we see that she is being persecuted by the dragon now but when she flees to the wilderness for 'time, times and a half' (v.14) that she is taken care of. The offspring of the woman are described as 'who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus' (v.17).

So what do we learn about the faithful women of Revelation, the counterpoint to the whore of Babylon?
Jesus is born from in among His faithful people (Mary and Joseph). The city he was born in, Bethlehem, is of no significance to the woman's attributes in this instance. Future faithful people are described as keeping the commandments and having the testimony of Jesus (where the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy Rev. 19:10)

So the counterpart woman of Revelation 17, the one that is unfaithful would be described or best associated with a group of people that have doctrines (wine) not inline with God's teachings and Law, possibly coming from a non-descript city. A reasonably assessment.

To me that sounds like a Christian church denomination, and seeing that it is called a 'Mother of Harlots' we should look to find a church that consider themselves a mother not a daughter, and one that has spurned many false daughter denominations as well.
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the 7 heads are the 7 continents!

Revelation 17:9 And here is the mind which has wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sits.

Obviously no wisdom from you again...the answer is already given in the Bible but you make guesses of what it is....that's dumb.

Rev. 17:9 And here [5602] [is] the mind [3563] which [3588] hath [2192] [5723] wisdom [4678]. The seven [2033] heads [2776] are [1526] [5748] seven [2033] mountains [3735], on [1909] which [0846] the woman [1135] sitteth [2521] [5736] [3699] source

3735. ὄρος óros or'-os probably from an obsolete ὄρω órō (to rise or "rear"; perhaps akin to 142; compare 3733); a mountain (as lifting itself above the plain):--hill, mount(-ain).

Strong, James (2011-05-07). Strong's Greek Dictionary of the Bible (with beautiful Greek, transliteration, and superior navigation) (Strong's Dictionary) (Kindle Locations 6043-6045). Miklal Software Solutions, Inc.. Kindle Edition.

Translated “mountains”, it is also ground rising above a plain or a hill.

2521. κάθημαι káthēmai kath'-ay-mahee from 2596; and ἧμαι hēmai (to sit; akin to the base of 1476); to sit down; figuratively, to remain, reside:--dwell, sit (by, down).

Strong, James (2011-05-07). Strong's Greek Dictionary of the Bible (with beautiful Greek, transliteration, and superior navigation) (Strong's Dictionary) (Kindle Locations 4240-4243). Miklal Software Solutions, Inc.. Kindle Edition.

While commonly translated as "sits" on 7 hills we see from the Greek word it can be translated as "resides by" or "sits by" or “remains by”

3699. ὅπου hópou hop'-oo from 3739 and 4225; what(-ever) where, i.e. at whichever spot:--in what place, where(-as, -soever), whither (+ soever).

Strong, James (2011-05-07). Strong's Greek Dictionary of the Bible (with beautiful Greek, transliteration, and superior navigation) (Strong's Dictionary) (Kindle Locations 5978-5979). Miklal Software Solutions, Inc.. Kindle Edition.

This putting it all together we have an unfaithful woman represented a particular group of people that are associated with God but have not been true to Him (this can be recognised as a false church and a particular false Christian church that recognises itself as a mother church and out of it many daughter churches have arisen, the “mother of harlots”, also spouting false teaching/doctrine). We also associate the “wine of abomination” in Rev. 17:2 with misrepresenting God’s true teaching.

Proverbs 12:22 Lying lips are abomination to the LORD: But they that deal truly are his delight.

We also see that this church/God following group can also be associated with a city and wherever that is it has to be residing near a place where there is 7 hills or mountains.


Here we have the location of the Vatican representing the location of church city state that is residing by the 7 hills of Rome and has been the source of false teaching throughout much of Christianity that has spun off from it.

The term Mother Church has many meanings within Christianity. The principal definition in the Oxford English Dictionary (OED) is "The Church, esp. the Roman Catholic Church
...
The Roman Catholic Church is thought by some to be the mother church of the Protestant and other churches that broke away from it over time.
Mother Church - wiki

And fulfilling her role as the Mother from which other churches that also spout much of the RCC’s false teachings come from.
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2. (mark fo god) -This is after we hear about the mark of the beast and his supposed downfall

God’s mark comes from the Hebrew word #0226

226. ʼôwth oth; probably from 225 (in the sense of appearing); a signal (literally or figuratively), as aflag, beacon, monument, omen, prodigy, evidence, etc.:—mark, miracle, (en-) sign, token.

Strong, James (2011-05-14). Strong's Hebrew Dictionary of the Bible (Strong's Dictionary) (Kindle Locations 965-969). Miklal Software Solutions, Inc.. Kindle Edition.

and from other definition sources:

SIGN: Hebrew: 'owth', meaning - sign, token, ensign, mark, a distinguishing mark, signal, banner, remembrance
classic.net.bible.org...
www.blueletterbible.org...

So what does God associate His mark with?

Ezekiel 20:12 Moreover also I gave [5414] them my Sabbaths, [7676] to be a sign [0226] between me and them, that they might know [3045] that I [am] the LORD [3068] that sanctify [6942] them.

Ezekiel 20:20 And hallow [6942] my Sabbaths; [7676] and they shall be a sign [0226] between me and you, that ye may know [3045] that I [am] the LORD [3068] your God. [0430]
source: www.biblicalproportions.com...

Exodus 31:17 It [is] a sign [0226] between me and the children [1121] of Israel [3478] for ever: [5769] for [in] six [8337] days [3117] the LORD [3068] made [6213] heaven [8064] and earth, [0776] and on the seventh [7637] day [3117] he rested, [7673] and was refreshed. [5314]
source: www.biblicalproportions.com...

God associates His mark/distinguishing mark that shows you are His people as being the Sabbath (those that keep the 4th commandment)

So what does the Papal power (sea Beast) say is its sign or mark?

Sunday is our mark of authority...the church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact.
— Catholic Record of London, Ontario, September 1, 1923.

“Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change (Saturday Sabbath to Sunday) was her act...And the act is a mark of her ecclesiastical authority in religious things.”
— H.F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons.

Is not yet too late for Protestants to redeem themselves. Will they do it?... will they indeed take the written word only, the Scripture alone, as their sole authority and their sole standard? Or will they still hold the indefensible, self contradictory, and suicidal doctrine and practice of following the authority of the Catholic church and wear the SIGN of her authority? Will they keep the Sabbath of the Lord, the seventh day, according to Scripture? Or will they keep the Sunday according to the tradition of the Catholic church
Romes Challenge

What Does the Beast power say keeping its 'Mark' means, how is it associated with bowing down (submitting authority in religious matters) to the Beast’s image?

Protestants...accept Sunday rather than Saturday as the day for public worship after the Catholic Church made the change...But the Protestant mind does not seem to realize that...In observing the Sunday, they are accepting the authority of the spokesman for the church, the Pope.”
— Our Sunday Visitor, February 15, 1950.

It was the Catholic church which...has transferred this rest to Sunday in remembrance of the resurrection of our Lord. Therefore the observance of Sunday by the Protestants is an homage they pay, in spite of themselves, to the authority of the (Catholic) church.”
— Monsignor Louis Segur, Plain Talk About the Protestantism of Today, p. 213.

Next time you want to do a thread glorifying yourself for your analysis of Revelation it is best to actually know what you are talking about. Your analysis doesn’t make the Christian faithful look ridiculous but it does make you look agenda driven with such poor research.

Christianity is mostly deceived by the beast (like most of the world is) but it is the role of those that “keep the commandments of God” and have the testimony of Jesus which is “the spirit of prophecy” (as characterised by the offspring of the faithful woman in Rev. 12) who will lead others from deception during the end time Tribulation. The prophecies in the Bible don’t show that God is ridiculous; they show that He is God, that He knows the end from the beginning, and that faithful Christians can trust that their salvation is assured in Him as well.

Actual blaspemies from the Beast

All descriptors of the Beast from the Sea (Dan. 7 little horn) met by Vatican/Pope/Papal system alone

reply to post by NOTurTypical

Did you notice that midway through Daniel's 70th week the beast possesses the man of sin?

The 70 week prophecy in Daniel 9 is calculating when the Messiah would come, when this Most Holy one would be anointed by God (Jesus' baptism in 27 AD) at the end of the 69th week from the command that went out to restore and build Jerusalem (Dan. 9:25) where the street shall be built again and the wall.

Matthew 3:16-17 When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He[a] saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him. 17 And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”

The command to restore Jerusalem was given by Persian King Artaxerxes I which is covered in Ezra 7:11-26. This command is dated to be given in 457BC.

69 weeks is 483 prophetic days or 483 literal years brings the date to 27AD. The Messiah is cut off mid week (after 3.5 years or 3.5 prophetic days) in 31AD on Nisan 14.

There is no connection between the man of sin being possessed by the beast at the time Jesus dies on the cross. The man of sin, the Pope, gains his full religio-political power in 538AD through the Justinian decree and reigns for 3.5 prophetic years (not 3.5 prophetic days) which correspond to 1260 literal years (where the Jewish year is 360 days long). This send the prophecy date to 1798AD which is the exact date the pope is arrested by the French army and his power as the beast is taken away from him. The mortal wound is healed in 1929 by Mussolini granting the Papal states back.

Your connections are way off time wise and length wise....

Originally posted by metalholic
Please realize what I just did in this thread. I basically made the Christian faithful look ridiculous as god wallowed in sin the whole time.

No, you just made yourself look ridiculous.

Nothing to see here, folks. Carry on.

Originally posted by metalholic
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New means new location!

Who gave the jews there land back?

New Jerusalem!

actually Britain gave the Jews Jerusalem not the United States of America

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You're correct about the 69 weeks which was fulfilled at the time of Christ, but you're off on the 70th. The 1260 days are not prophetic years but literal days. That same period of time is also labeled as three and a half years and 42 months, and begins precisely when the man of sin stands in the temple and declares himself to be God.

And btw, Mecca also is a city of 7 hills.