What Allah says to Christians

Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

No, I was pointing out the error in the claim that Muslims and Christians live peaceful lives "side by side". The ONLY instance where that is true is in police states, or states not controlled by Muslims.

I don't live in a police state.
I don't live in a state run by Muslims.
And... muslims and christians live peacefully side by side.

Take a look again. I said "or in states NOT run (controlled) by Muslims". Which you indicated you live in.

Originally posted by wildtimes
isn't it also incumbent on believers in Christ to at least respect that Allah is their name for the same God as the God of the Christians? And the Jews as well?

Christians have a trinity God. Father, Son, Holy Spirit. It's not the same God.
And the Qu'ran is just stuff made up by Muhammad .. it's not from God.
So no ... I don't see where 'allah' deserves respect. He/It is fictional.

We'll just have to agree to disagree.

reply to post by NOTurTypical

Yeah, I just mentioned that there were two tabernacles in the wilderness. One to YHWH and one dedicated to Moloch. It's in the OT as well.

I asked for the exact verse that mentioned about Molechs tent... you know, one of the two tabernacles/tents that you so confidently said was in the OT as well.

Where is the verse? All I see in that link is an article about who's star it was.... (with Acts 7 mentioned, of course)

The only references to Molech in the OT are found in
Leviticus 18:21, Leviticus 20:2–5, 2 Kings 23:10 and Jeremiah 32:35.

The OT contains NOTHING whatsoever about a second tabernacle/tent in the wilderness dedicated to Molech.... as you say.

reply to post by NOTurTypical

Take a look again. I said "or in states NOT run (controlled) by Muslims". Which you indicated you live in.

Take a look again.
I said.... "I don't live in a state run by Muslims."

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by sk0rpi0n

 

Hate crimes are committed by everybody. There is no doubt about that. If you wish to smear all muslims with the same brush for the crimes of some extremists, then the same applies to you.

No, I was pointing out the error in the claim that Muslims and Christians live peaceful lives "side by side". The ONLY instance where that is true is in police states, or states not controlled by Muslims.

Christians and Muslims would live peacefully side by side if Governments and corporations didn't interfer, give Christians a bad name while we blame Muslims. Understand that its not the Muslims who are wrong here, its the people who believe its their right to occupy, pillage and then oppress the people themselves through governments who share the spoils with the original problem. Who said you religion was above all else? Both religions shed light on the issues and both give a very good description of where the issues originate from. The focus on Muslims is to simply lead you in the wrong direction. The evil ones are closer to home than you think.

Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Take a look again. I said "or in states NOT run (controlled) by Muslims". Which you indicated you live in.

Take a look again.
I said.... "I don't live in a state run by Muslims."

I know you said that. Therefore my statement wouldn't apply in that type of society or a police state now would it?

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Keep reading the entire article. Apparently you read the first paragraph or two.

reply to post by DarknStormy

Originally posted by DarknStormy
What if everything you belive is backwards and your wrong? Is it possible? What if religion is right and the satanic ones use religion to hide behind their true intentions?

We can easily see the true agenda behind false Religion simply by looking at the results:

"Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down. Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom the major media destroy information, and religions destroy spirituality." ~ Michael Ellner

As Jesus said: "we know them by their FRUIT"...

The fruit of Religion is deception, lies, hate, & DEATH...

This is how we KNOW that God is not the author of FALSE Religion.

The root meaning of the word religion means to connect with God but religion does exactly the opposite.

I am convinced that the whole reason for all of the evils we see in religion is a form of mind control to cause people to want nothing to do with God.

All religion does is drive people AWAY from God, this is Satan's real agenda.

Religion is a counterfeit that deliberately deceives.

The genuine is connecting with and walking with God.

Once you start searching for realities and learning what is really going on, it is obvious that Religion is one MASSIVE lie.

I did exactly that last year only to find out that false religion is one of the biggest scams in the history of man.

What amazed me was when I learned about the stealth agenda and WHO was actually behind the facade.

Religion is being used as a major tool of the Illuminati agenda.

I highly recommend that everyone learn what is really going on and study the TRUE origins of all false religions.

"Every major religion in the world has been manufactured or infiltrated by the Illuminati to enslave and brainwash society. In essence, religion was the first form of mind control." Link

What if I were to tell you, that there is a vast Satanic conspiracy to deceive the masses of every society on earth? What if I were to tell you that the top leaders of the world’s religions were in league with the Devil? Would you think I’m crazy? I would! Yet, the truth is stranger than fiction! You have been lied to my friend. Few people in the world today are aware of just how much Satan has infiltrated and is behind ALL false religion.
Source

"Today the religions of the world remain a major tool of the Illuminati agenda." Link

"What if there were people within the various Churches of God who covertly were guiding the members to slowly accept new ideas which are alien to the true faith and who were dedicated to destroying that faith at all costs?"

JESUIT-JEDI MINDTRICKS

If you want to study the true origins of Islam this is a good place to start.

Mohammed is called the "Apostle of Peace" by Muslims. NOTHING could be further from the truth.

Mohammed was in fact a terrorist, criminal and murderer whose entire life was based on victimizing innocents and indulging in mindless violence, carnage and massacre. He was a man who destroyed peace wherever he went, and in its place brought terror, carnage and death.

Ever since that incident, Mohammed was determined to take revenge on the Meccans. - surprise raids on trade caravans and tribal settlements, the use of plunder thus obtained for recruiting an ever growing army of greedy desperados, assassinations of opponents, blackmail, expulsion and massacre of the Jews of Medinah, attack and enslavement of the Jews of Khayber, rape of women and children, sale of these victims after rape, trickery, treachery and bribery employed to their fullest extent to grow the numbers of his religion Islam which ironically was supposed to mean "Peace"! He organised no less than 86 expeditions, 26 of which he led himself.

Source

Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
Facts according to who?

Facts speak for themselves...

A lie is a lie regardless of whose mouth speaks it.

What about your assumption that the Qur'an is right?

WHO told you that the Qur'an is right?

Why do people believe that Muhammad was a ‘Prophet' when in fact there is NO evidence that he was?

Simply because Islam SAYS so....

If Muhammad WAS a ‘Prophet’ why does the Qur'an have no fulfilled prophecy like the Bible?

Because there ARE no fulfilled prophesies from Muhammad.

Muhammad allegedly claimed that the Antichrist, called the Dajjal, was to appear shortly after the Muslim conquest of Constantinople.

Accordingly, the Muslims conquered Jerusalem in AD 636 and Constantinople was taken over by the Muslims in May of AD 1453. Based on the preceding traditions, the antichrist should have manifested himself in December of AD 1453. This never happened!

The only possible conclusion that can be made with respect to this matter is as follows: The prophecies regarding Yathrib (Medina) being in ruins and the Antichrist's arrival to take place seven months after the conquest of Constantinople never materialized. Therefore, Muhammad was a false prophet!

Though the Bible contains numerous proven and supported prophecies, the Koran does not contain any.

Muhammad: The False Prophet

"Perhaps the most compelling of evidences demonstrating that the Bible is the word of God is its unswerving ability to accurately predict future events, often in minute details. Specific prophesies are conspicuously absent from the 26 other religious books that claim to be scripture, including the Muslim's Koran, the Book of Mormon, the Hindu Vedas, and Buddhist writings. This in itself should be a major eye-opener to the honest skeptic. "

Accuracy Of Prophecy

The Bible is proven as the word of God by the fulfillment of Bible prophesies. It is mathematically impossible for all of these prophesies to have just happened by chance. This proves that the people that wrote the Bible were inspired by God, for only God could accurately foretell the future, in detail 100% of the time, and at the same time encourage mankind to obey Him.

Reincarnation Is A Lie

The chances of just 48 out of the 456 prophecies being fulfilled in one person are 1 in 10 to the 157 power.

That's — 1 in 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.

"All this illustrates why it is absolutely impossible for anyone to have fulfilled the Messianic prophecies by chance. In fact, a leading authority on the probability theory, Emile Borel states that once we go past one chance in 10 to the 50th power, the probabilities are so small it's impossible to think they will ever occur."

LINK

"...once we go past one chance in 10 to the 50th power, the probabilities are so small it's impossible to think they will ever occur....Mathematicians generally agree that, statistically, any odds beyond 1 in 1050 have a zero probability of ever happening.... This is Borel's law in action which was derived by mathematician Emil Borel....

Here is one last illustration of the immensity of the number 10 to the 157th power and why the science of probability shows we are dealing with the miraculous… Imagine one ant traveling at the speed of only one inch every 15 billion years. If he could only carry one atom at a time, how many atoms could he move in 10 to the 157th power of years?

He would, even at that incredibly slow speed, be able to move all the atoms in 600,000 trillion trillion trillion trillion universes the size for our universe, a distance of 30 billion light years! Again, by the laws of probability, all of this means that it is simply impossible for 48 prophecies to be fulfilled by chance. LINK

reply to post by Murgatroid


So what makes you think that the sources are not tools of the illuminati? There are certain things that I can tell you about religion that you will never hear from a self proclaimed lying scholar or other. This deceit runs to the very foundations of education, where do all these people come from? They are indoctrined to learn a specific teaching that will not go against the status quo as it will reveal the true teachings of religion and expose their overlords. Well, the idea of the Illuminati and their satanist buddies is to destroy religion isn't it? Take a look at the world and tell me that we are in godly times? You use the devil to prove your case.

Originally posted by DarknStormy
So what makes you think that the sources are not tools of the illuminati?

After looking at literally thousands of different sources and seeing that many are describing something identical it becomes obvious who is lying and who is not.

Also you MUST rely on your own personal experience if you really want the truth.

That is where you come to a place where you KNOW instead of just believe.

This post in wildtime's thread is one example of this.

I believe that this is the key to true enlightenment.

Once you begin to have supernatural encounters with God, your beliefs actually become knowledge.

This quote from FlyersFan says it well:

Originally posted by FlyersFan
I KNOW there is a God... I know these things from experience. My beliefs are fluid based upon my experiences.

Too many spend their entire lives studying religion or seeking enlightenment instead of going to the SOURCE or trying to connect with the very meaning of life and the creator of the universe.

I am 100% convinced that Religion is being used as a form of mind control and ultimately causing souls by the millions to end up in hell.

Below are a couple examples of personal encounters:

Praying all night in the mosque, he asked God to help him. Suddenly he felt drops of oil falling on him and even smelled its fragrance, he says. He claims another time he heard an audible voice telling him to read a Bible—an abomination to a Muslim. “We would not touch a modern-day Bible,” he says. “This voice immediately put a desire in my heart. It is so vivid, so clear, so overwhelming. Still today, I could not forget that voice.”

For example, one man in a nation hostile to Christianity says he heard a voice telling him, “Find Jesus, find the gospel.” He didn’t know what Jesus was—a chair, a tree, an animal? But the voice told him exactly what city and house to go to, so he traveled for two weeks, arriving directly at the door of one of only three believers in the city.

Why Revival is Exploding Among Muslims

I had a real encounter with an evil spirit once; and only He could save me from the evil grip. You see, one of the rooms in our house had been known to have an evil spirit occupant. Many including my brothers and aunt had seen the spirit in the dark form of an ugly man. I was not a true believer of evil spirits and stuff that they were talking about. I did, however, have a rather strange experience when I spent the night in that room.

One fateful night, it was quite different and that thing got hold of me entirely. My whole body was paralyzed and the only body parts that still worked were my eye balls and my mind. I thought then that I was in real trouble this time. The feeling was awful and I was in the dark void completely.

In desperation, I called out bismillah imanirohim (from the Islamic religion) and then tried to recite omitoufut (from the Buddhism religion), but none of them worked. Finally, I cried out “Jesus, please help me!” and instantly I was freed and I made a quick dash out of that room. My parents sold that house a few years later.

Muslim encounter with Jesus

"...to ignore the evidence that appears to be accumulating worldwide would take either a large dose of denial (which is apparently available in maximum dosages in many media quarters) or a desire to ignore the obvious."

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Whats so strange about Muslims seeing Jesus in their dreams? He is a prophet in Islam also...

reply to post by logical7

Originally posted by logical7
Satan doesn't want to be lonely in hell and he thinks man was his downfall rather than his own ego so he'l take as many as he can down with him

Sadly the vast majority of people will ignore the truth and will end up in hell.

I've been studying this subject for many years now and everything I have seen tells me that this is so.

Years ago I sat across the table in a restaurant listening to a man who had died and went to a place that the Bible calls outer darkness.

On August 3, 1979, Howard Pittman, a Baptist minister for 35 years, died while on the operating table during surgery and had a near-death experience.

Instead of allowing me to enter, the angel stationed me before the Gates, slightly to one side. He instructed me to stay there and watch as the saints were permitted to enter into Heaven. This point was so important that the Holy Spirit told me Himself. I watched the fifty saints enter Heaven, but the point I missed was the time frame involved.

It was explained to me that at the same time those fifty saints died on Earth, 1,950 other humans also died; or only 50 out of 2000 made it into Heaven. That other 1,950 were not there. Where were they? That was only 2 ½ percent going to Heaven! Ninety seven point five percent did not make it! Is that representative of the entire world today? If so, 97 ½ percent of the population of this world today is not ready to meet God.

Placebo by Howard Pittman

The two angels escorted me to Hell. They said, “Now you will visit Hell.”…There are multitudes of churches on the Earth and many of the churches are filled with many people. However, most of them are not true Christians. They are but church attendants. The true churches will firmly believe in Heaven and a Hell. The lives of many Christians are in chaos because they do not firmly believe in Heaven and Hell. When one soul enters Heaven, one thousand cursed souls enter Hell. The rate of Heaven and Hell is 1 to 1000.” (Matt 7:14)

Heaven & Hell 1000 to 1

Bishop Wilfred Lai is the founder and senior Pastor of Jesus Celebration Center in Mombasa, Kenya and it is a church of over 15,000 members. One day he asked the Lord how many of them were ready for heaven and the Lord told him only 200. Only 1% of that church is going to heaven!

Dr. Lai said that some pastors have created large groups of sinners meeting in the name of God. “What you have are not churches, but large congregations of sinners.”

Message from Pastor Wilfred Lai

And in the end, most people will unfortunately receive the Mark of the beast (666). Many Christians will get it because they were never warned by their Church. (Revelations 13:15-18) This is why The Lord is saying that less than 1% of Pastors and less the 10% of Christians will hear the trumpet sound.

LINK

reply to post by Murgatroid


What do you think of the Book of Revelation?

Originally posted by DarknStormy
Whats so strange about Muslims seeing Jesus in their dreams? He is a prophet in Islam also...

During these encounters thousands of Muslims are having Jesus NEVER claims to be a prophet.

In Mina's book she tells of the Lord Jesus' miraculous radiant appearance to an elderly Muslim theologian in Iran., and about Jesus telling this man he is not Allah! Jesus then tells this man that He is "the Bread of Life", and words similar to His (Jesus') blood washes sins away.

LINK

Jesus IS in fact God...

God was made manifest in the flesh. 1 Timothy 3:16

Jesus is the member of the Godhead by which ALL things were created...

In Revelation 19, there are references that read, “His name is called The Word of God.”

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God" ~ John 1:1

ALL physical reality came into existence through Jesus...

...in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world. ~ Heb. 1:2

But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. ~ 1 Corinthians 8:6

And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ ~ Ephesians 3:9

For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. ~ Colossians 1:16-17

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by wildtimes
isn't it also incumbent on believers in Christ to at least respect that Allah is their name for the same God as the God of the Christians? And the Jews as well?

Christians have a trinity God. Father, Son, Holy Spirit. It's not the same God.
And the Qu'ran is just stuff made up by Muhammad .. it's not from God.
So no ... I don't see where 'allah' deserves respect. He/It is fictional.

We'll just have to agree to disagree.

Funny, Allah is depicted as the one creator, are you saying Christianity believes in different creators? Or is this an Earthly god they are referring to?

Originally posted by DarknStormy
are you saying Christianity believes in different creators? Or is this an Earthly god they are referring to?

One God manifested as three aspects .... Father Son HolySpirit.
Like a clover leaf .. it's one leaf but also three.

Read John for what Christians believe as far as 'creator' goes ...

John 1 - 3 In the beginning was The Word, and The Word was with God, and The Word was God. All things came into being through him, and without him not one thing came into being.

Jesus is The Word .. and nothing was made without Him .. therefore Jesus is creator as much as God the Father. Separate yet together. This is generally the Christian belief be it protestant or catholic.

Originally posted by DarknStormy
Funny, Allah is depicted as the one creator, are you saying Christianity believes in different creators?

Allah was a pagan name for a peculiar pagan Arabian deity in pre-Islamic times...

Islam is paganism in monotheistic wrapping paper.

This is a perfect example of WHY studying Religion in search of truth is such a dilemma.

Religion MUST lie in order to keep the real agenda hidden.

The word to ascend used in Isaiah 14 when Lucifer says “I will ascend into heaven…I will be like the most High”, is in Hebrew “Allah” Strong’s #5927. Allah translates “to ascend.” Allah is the “fallen one” who wants to ascend into heaven. Allah is another title for Satan, the fallen one. The correct pronunciation of “elohim” is “allah-hay’m.” Allah means gods, powers, or angels. In this sense, fallen angels.

Makes sense why the Muslims who worship him behead infidels instead of loving their enemies as Christ taught. Islam is to Persian mythology (astrology) what Catholicism is to Babylonian paganism. That’s why the Islamic symbol is the star and the moon. Both occult idols. One for the “goddess” Diana and the other for the “god” Lucifer, the male and female occult deities. The Muslims worship an idol in the shape of a female vagina (fertility symbol) in the form of the Kabba Stone in Mecca. Islam is idolatrous and pagan.

Interestingly, not many Muslims want to accept that Allah was already being worshiped at the Ka’ba in Mecca by Arab pagans before Muhammad came. Some Muslims become angry when they are confronted with this fact. But history is not on their side. Pre-Islamic literature has proved this.” (Who Is This Allah?, G. J. O. Moshay, 1994, p 138)

“But history establishes beyond the shadow of doubt that even the pagan Arabs, before Muhammad’s time, knew their chief god by the name of Allah and even, in a sense, proclaimed his unity…Among the pagan Arabs this term denoted the chief god of their pantheon, the Kaaba, with its three hundred and sixty idols.” (The Moslem Doctrine of God, Samuel M. Zwemer 1905, p 24-25)

In fact, he did not at first intend to establish a new religion, but rather to reform the belief in Allah which already existed, and to show what this belief truly signified and rightfully demanded. (Mohammed: The man and his faith, Tor Andrae, 1936, Translated by Theophil Menzel, 1960, p13-30)

There is absolutely no question that Allah was worshipped by the pagan Arabs as one of many polytheistic gods. Allah was worshipped in the Kabah at Mecca before Muhammad was born. Muhammad merely proclaimed a god the Meccans were already familiar with. The pagan Arabs never accused Muhammad of preaching a different Allah than the one they already worshiped.

The pagan origin of the word "Allah"

The Quran Confesses Allah Was a Pagan God before Islam

Originally posted by DarknStormy
The focus on Muslims is to simply lead you in the wrong direction.

Something to think about DnS...

Please don't see this as an attack on your beliefs or your God.

It's really not a personal attack at all.

It's all about finding the TRUTH.

Yesterday I was researching Hinduism and I saw all of the SAME exact parallels as you see here.

I found that ‘Hinduism’ is a manufactured "religion" created in 1830.

Hinduism is fiction created by the British.

Bottom lie: Religion is simply Satan masquerading as Jesus.

He is a counterfeiter.

Over the last three years, I have visited several libraries, and diligently studied Hindu theology, scriptures, and books. I spent countless hours pouring over thick works through the night, often hidden in obscure corners of dusty shelves in old libraries, covered in spider webs.

In short, I discovered that Hinduism was an English invention that bracketed several distinct, mutually hostile religions into one umbrella. `Hinduism' or `Sanatana Dharma' did not exist before the English, but was created by them in order to reward the Brahmins for loyal services during Anglo-Brahmin rule

Myth of One Hindu Religion Exploded

reply to post by Murgatroid


Why is it that Christians seem to always knock or mock other religions yet I never seem to hear the same coming from the other direction? You do realise that Muslims hold not only Christianity but Judaism right next to their religion for some ridiculous reason? Why is it so hard to accept that maybe your religion is not the only road to truth in this world? The English could of created the Bible for Christians for all we know and the very same things you say about Hinduism could also apply to the New Testament...

I'm not saying Christ is a fairytale but what makes you so certain that your belief system is 100% correct? What if both have elements that are correct? If that could be proven would you believe it or keep mocking the other one? The point is Christians with there beliefs are very one eyed and I don't like that for some reason... I kind of reminds me of something I read but I won't go into that.. What if the bible is speaking about you people being deceived right now? Would you count that as a possibility with whats happening in the world right now?