Reincarnation and the "Little Deaths"

In some Christian sects there is a notion of "resurrection", where the deceased rise from their graves in the body and go to heaven. That is a form of reincarnation. I'm not sure if that form of reincarnation was invented by Satan to deceive Christians into even greater devotion to God or not.

Satan being Satan, you just never know what he might get up to.

I think there are aspects of Christianity where the influence of Satan might be inferred.

In Christianity there is a link made between the Old and the New Testaments. Is that link due to the influence of Satan? The worship of a demanding and wrathful God by means of offerings and sacrifices doesn't appear to have anything whatsoever to do with the message of Christ. Why are these books linked?

The Old Testament is a very interesting collection of books from the Jewish tradition but what does it have to do with Christianity? I know that it has been interpreted in various passages as predicting the coming of Christ, but in my opinion, given the unscrupulousness of various historical Christian writers and commentators, I place very little credence in these interpretations of the Old Testament.

I personally believe that Judaism is derived from earlier established religions either Mesopotamian or Aryan. I think there is a connection between Judaism and Hinduism.

Religion, except in its most fundamental manifestations, has always been politics by another means and Judaism is particularly political and very tribal, by comparison to Christianity, which is certainly political but not exclusive and tribal the way Judaism is.

Personally, I think we do reincarnate. Being Buddhist (Hinduism's "New Testament"-style offshoot) I accept the basic idea that we are stuck on a cycle of rebirth that ends only when we become perfected and are able to enter nirvana, the extinction of all karmic possibilities.

Everyone believes in incarnation. It is a very small step to at least entertaining the notion of reincarnation. In the Hindu and Buddhist traditions karma determines the conditions under which we are incarnated.

If anything a belief in reincarnation under conditions determined by karma is a powerful inducement to perform good karma during the current incarnation in order to avoid the consequences of bad karma when reincarnated.

The details of the belief in reincarnation, when seen in that light would seem to me to take Satan out of the picture as the originator of the belief in reincarnation.

One might even go so far as to think that a really Satanic thing to do would be to deny the possibility of reincarnation, even as an ordinary human being, in addition to heavenly reincarnation.

From my perspective, Satan is the foremost exponent of selfishness among spiritual entities. If one really wants to guard against Satan, the way to do it is to guard against selfishness in its most refined and subtle forms, all those secret ways in which we "look after number one".

From the Buddhist perspective, reinforcing the notion of the self and its importance is profoundly counterproductive to the search for Enlightenment.

Satan is so selfish that he is not able to reincarnate as readily as the average guy.

Satan's motivating emotional state is not delight at other's misery alone, but most deeply, misery loves company.

Satan has every reason to deny reincarnation.

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Actually electrons in an atom are not exactly the same as planets in a solar system. Electrons take up probability gas clouds in an atoms. In other words the more likely you are able to pinpoint the location of an electron, the less likely it will be there. Planets are elliptical spirals in space time. Their orbits are approximately described by Newtonian motion, but are more accurately described in relativistic terms with the planet Mercury being the most extreme case.

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You're correct, and they're not exactly similar in many respects I conceded that I was stretching to make some connections in my OP.

Originally posted by extraterrestrialentity
Well actually, you don't "have" to be reincarnated, and to show you why, here is an example: If you shine a flashlight into the sky, will the light come back? No, it just leaves and disappears, since energy is not matter, and so you cannot use matter as an example as clearly, matter has many different properties from energy.

The same goes for us, we do not have any special energy in our bodies, the energy in our bodies is no different from the energy of a rock, does a rock get reincarnated too? No, it doesn't.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that reincarnation is impossible, it's just very unlikely.

Hmmm, why would a rock need to be reincarnated? It lives forever, doesn't it? It may change form due to weather and stuff, but the thought that the rocks we see today have always been there, no one ever came and took some out of this world and delivered some new ones from somewhere else has always been a favorite fun thought of mine. I used to wish when I was a child that rocks could talk and tell me about the past and the dinosaurs and all that ...

As for reincarnation itself, I do believe in it and picture the process like an apple tree, who's trunk is the collective of all souls and where the branches come apart it stands for the souls with different intentions and interests (like one being interested in music and arts, the other in science and maths and so on), and the tinier the branches get, the more individual the soul becomes and in the end it leads to a bud that will turn into a blossom and a fruit and then fall down and die and in the next spring there will be a new bud and that is us, our individual personalities manifested in a body. The apple tree does it every year and us ... maybe every 100, more or less.

Originally posted by Caroline13456
I've often pondered the need we have for sleep. Could it be that our natural state is a state of sleep or nothingness and the act of being given life necessitates that we are born and little by little we become more and more wakeful until perhaps our natural state of being becomes continual consciousness (ever wakefulness) until we again reach the end of that cycle and our natural state again becomes that of continual sleep (nothingness) again. Like someone else said "rinse and repeat".

On another aspect of this; my Mother told me that I pretty much cried for the first year of my life. There were some allergy issues with my older brother so I was fed only soy milk. I have since then discovered I am intolerant to gluten so there may have been issues there. But I always wondered if perhaps a: my previous life was so wonderful and I cried from sadness that I was taken from there to here, or b: my previous life was so bad that it took a year of being here with care from loving parents for me to calm down from it.

Very Cool Thread!

I once heard something about why we need to sleep that made the most sense to me. It's that when we are asleep and unaware of our body and our life and everything that goes on here, it means we (our soul) return to where we were before, lets say the soul-plane or however you wanna call it, the non-physical, where everything is energy. And we need to go back there every night in order to restore our energy, because our daily life with all the struggles and stress is far different from where we came from, because there everything is light and feels good. It has been said more and more lately scientifically that stress can cause the body to get sick. It has also been said in former times (haven't heard it of late) that one can sleep themselves into health if they are sick. (Like you do with children, you put them to bed when they are sick and they DO sleep more).
I do believe sleep is our every night connection to where we came from but we don't remember it (maybe because if we would we wouldn't wanna come back ;-)) I also read that the dreams we have are not mirroring what this other world is, but just happen in the moments where we find back into our body and mix where we have been to where we are in our daily life in a complex and individual way. It is a complex subject, but it made a lot of sense to me.

Also it made sense to me to read that the reason baby's cry when they are born is because they feel the different energy here to where they were before so much. You saying you cried a lot at night when you were little may have been for the same reason. You just missed the feeling of "home" more than maybe other children.

Originally posted by crzayfool
I don't know that I have ever been alive before... I have zero experiences with remembering past lives. I have no visions or dreams that would give any indication to how I may have died before. Maybe I'm a totally new soul? or maybe I am just not susceptible enough? Maybe my "knowledge" and difficulty believing in anything with a bit of stubbornness thrown in for good measure prevents me? Who knows....

What I do feel though is an overwhelming feeling of being lost and wanting to find out what is out there or a way back. I don't mean this is the normal sense where people think Aliens might exist, I know through intuition and being logical and rational that the puny human race is inexplicably insignificant among all the other universe inhabitants, even though "we" think we're so "on top" and Unique... pfft.

It goes much, much further than that....

I don't know what to make of it though... Until I find some sort of evidence I feel like a bit of a numpty trying out unorthodox methods... and what not.

~ CrzayFool

When I first read something about reincarnation years ago I learned that if you feel a certain distinct love for a stange land or a special food or language (or can more easily lean it than others, because it feels familiar to you for no apparent reason) that has no significance in your daily life it might mean that you remember it from a previous life. That was my first clue, because I had those, and I love when I read things and can apply them to my own life, because that feels like a tiny little bit of proof.

You not remembering anything from "before" may simply be a matter of not wanting to, a decision you made before you even came here, you know? Have a fresh start, a real fresh start where you can focus on this experience and only this because the truth is you live now and now is all you right now have. So it may not be needed to feel bad (if you do, which I don't know) about not being able to find any connections to a previous life. It may have been your intention.

On the other hand once your desire for something is awakened, it's said you can fulfil it. Or better stated, there is no question where there is no answer to, the problem often just seems to be HOW to get there.
If you are interested in past lives and the overall question about "where do we come from, where do we go", then your path may very well be taking it one step after the other, learn a little here and hear something you never knew before there ... it is an interesting path, I am sure you had that feeling when it seems like you were lead at the right time to the right place, book, conversation and so on. All that is part of the path, an answer follows a question. Just because you haven't had any past life memories yet doesn't mean you won't have them in the future.

I kinda have the feeling that you are always revealed to what you are ready for, you know? (Please pardon my English, I am not a native speaker and am right now not sure if that sentence is correct, the use of the revealed to part I mean!)

Love, Emarie.

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Hey there Murgatroid,ive read many of your posts on ATS and i tend to agree with many of your posts, this is not one such a case-but i do respect your opinion anyway.
I do believe in re-incarnation,ive had pastlife memories of my own,starting at age 5,when of course,i didnt have the foggiest idea what these little events were.
I am not a Christian,but Jesus,or Yahushua as some call him,is my friend-because i have had experience with him too.I believe that the Source of our souls,is what people refer to as God here-and im not at all convinced that this Source and the God of the Old Testament is one and the same.
Furthermore,im a person who lives by my intuition,my "gut" and the evidence of my own experiences,when it comes to the spiritual/metaphysical-all i can say,the move away from conventional religion was a jump into the abyss for me-because i believed that if such an entity as Jesus existed,he would be found where ever one goes.My reasoning was,if he was confined to the narrow claustrophobic "Stepford Wives"-type coffin of Christianity,and only to those who wished to live an oppressed tiny unquestioning,unthinking lil life,most of it spent in fear of being squashed under the jackboot of the bloodthirsty draconian God of the Bible,i may as well just strike out on my own,and take my chances.

Because it would completely compromise the integrity of my immortal soul to live like that,or even to pretend.

And if all that save you from Hell is conventional Christianity,i was going there anyway,because if you live without integrity at soul core level,if you live a lie,what is the point?Is Satan not "the Father of lies"?

So i did strike out on my own-i read,i thought,i experienced,i thought some more,i lived,i Tested for myself-and found that the entity Jesus does indeed exist-and that He/It has not condemned me,au contraire-NOW he was my friend,and still is, a Guide,and a protector.Yes,STILL he protects me-who is not a Christian.Still he helps me when i ask-because NOW he is REAL to me.HE,not the bible,not going to church every Sunday,not the pastors.I chose a shamanic way-and yet,that does include the wonderful but very powerful entity Yahushua,in my life.You do not have to be a Christian and live that type of oppressed life,to know the essence of Yahushua-im living proof of that.
His essence is a warmth and love,a tolerance and understanding,a comforting presence beyond the human vocabulary,in any language of this world.A RIGHTNESS OF PRIORITIES ON A COSMIC SCALE.There's nothing i wish more,than that every person alive,may experience that level of warmth and love,that indescribable feeling of communion with Him/It at least once-but sadly,even many Christians have never.Because they are so afraid of offending a brutal God that may smite them for the slightest mistake-or at least,refuse them entry into a place of rest and peace when they depart this life,and condemn them to a place worse than here.So they soldier on,even those that in their deepest heart of hearts question "the party line"

I have to add that my creed is,and always have been,kindness,respect for the lives of others,a profound desire to harm none,to ease pain,to help where i can.
Belieeeeeeve me,i am NO saint-but i live with integrity,at soul core level-i can Not embrace that which does not ring true There.
Look i dont have all the answers,i dont even have a goodly few-but i Do know,that to recognise what rings true at soul level,and to go with that,does Not necesarily mean to turn away from God,to deprive yourself of the friendship,guidance and protection of the wonderful entity Jesus,or to be deceived by,and fall into the clutches of Satan/wharever adversary to goodness.

In fact,i may just be the ultimate sceptic-i decided to Test things,to explore things of a spiritual/metaphysical nature for myself,and never feel i Have to blindly believe,without very good reason -yet Jesus is with me-and my belief in reincarnation as a fact,has not stopped this.Satan/the devil/whatever does'nt even enter the equation.
Peace,Murgatroid.Btw,i loved your previous avatar-that googly eyed guy

Originally posted by NarcolepticBuddha

I am trying my very best to understand vibrational frequencies, quantum physics, religion and the interactions between multiple dimensions... because they're all the same thing at the end of the day, they just have different names. I hope to find some sort if clue as to where all these souls come and go.

~ CrzayFool

I once read that the souls and the soul-world are around us all the time, just on a higher vibrational level, just as other dimensions are around us all the time just on another vibrational level and we can get in contact with any of them if we raise our own vibrational level (due to meditation and releasiing of resistance and doubt etc.) The form of contact then would be feelings and images (dreams, visons etc.). Since it is all on a vibrational level there would not appear anything in front of us per se, things can only manifest for all to be seen on our vibrational plane when enough people agree on them like they do on trees and tables and roads and so on. I always found that a very intriguing and complex theory.

Originally posted by NarcolepticBuddhaFirst off, you obviously need to have a belief in some sort of afterlife or continuation after the demise of the body.

I disagree here, but only because it implies that one must believe in a type of paranormal existence after death. I believe in reincarnation, but it's more of a scientific conclusion than spiritual. I believe that time is infinite which is to say that matter is everlasting, has neither a beginning or an end, but our DNA is finite. Every human being has DNA and this DNA is a blueprint to the construction of their body and brain. If time is infinite, but DNA is finite than the combinations of amino acids that make up specific strands of DNA must repeat over time.

There's not necessarily a set period of time until your DNA is repeated, it could be duplicated tomorrow or a billion years from now, but eventually the combination that makes up you will make its return. In example if you take a 3 digit combination lock there are 1,000 possible combinations. Say one new combination is generated every day, after 1,000 days all the combinations have been generated, but they continue to generate so combinations that have already been generated must regenerate.

It's simple physics. Reincarnation must occur unless the human race is destroyed and even then there's a chance the entire human race could be reincarnated on some planet somewhere in the universe.

Edit: Obviously you wouldn't retain any recollection of your past lives, but there is a way around this. As genetic sciences mature we will eventually have the technological ability to analyze a persons DNA when they are born and determine the last time they were known to exist. We could analyze your DNA and say "You were last known to exist in the year 3042, here's all the stuff you bequeathed to yourself."

I suppose you could also analyze a persons personality and say... Gee this guy sounds somehow familiar

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Some interesting reading on the subject...
Source: www.spiritism.jp...
RESURRECTION AND REINCARNATION
4. Reincarnation was part of the Jewish dogmas, being taught under the name of
resurrection. Only the Sadducees, who believed that everything ended with death, did not accept
the idea of reincarnation. Jewish ideas on this point, as on many others, were not clearly defined
because they had only vague and incomplete notions with regard to the soul and its connection with
the body.46
CHAPTER 4
They believed that man could live again without knowing exactly the manner by which this could
happen. They used the name resurrection for what Spiritism more correctly calls reincarnation,
Resurrection presupposes a return to the same physical body, whereas science demonstrates that
this is materially impossible, especially when that same body has decomposed and long since been
dispersed and reabsorbed. Reincarnation is the return of a soul, or Spirit, to physical life in another
body which has been newly formed for it, and which has nothing to do with the previous one. The
word 'resurrection' can be applied to Lazarus but not to Elias, nor to the other prophets. If,
according to their belief, John the Baptist was Elias, then the body of John could not have been the
body of Elias because John was seen as a child and his parents were known. John then could be
Elias reincarnated but not resurrected.
5. There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: the same
came to Jesus by night, and said unto Him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come
from God.' for no man can do these miracles that Thou doest, except God be with him. Jesus
answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, except a man be born again, he
cannot see the Kingdom of God. Nicodemus saith unto Him, How can a man be born when he
is old? Can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, except a man be born of water and of
the Spirit, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh;
and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born
again. The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof but canst not tell
whence it cometh, and wither it goeth; so is everyone that is born of the Spirit Nicodemus
answered and said unto Him, How can these things be? Jesus answered and said unto him,
Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things? Verily, verily, I say unto you, We
speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen.' and ye receive not our witness. If I
have to Id you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly
things? (John, 3:1-12).
6. The idea that John had been Elias and that the prophets could relive again on Earth is to
be found in many passages of the New Testament, but is most notedly quoted in the above extract.
(See verses 1, 2, & 3.) If this was an erroneous belief, Jesus would have combated it as He did
many others. But from this He gave it complete sanction and authority by making it a basic
principle and necessary condition by saying: 'No one may reach the Kingdom of God if he is not
born again,' and further insisted when He added: 'Do not be surprised when I say it is necessary to
be born again.'
7. The words: If man is not born again of water and of Spirit, have been interpreted in the
sense of regeneration by means of the water of Baptism. But in the original text it was said simply:
not born of water and of Spirit, whereas in some translations the words of spirit have been
substituted by Holy Spirit,47
EXCEPT A MAN BE BORN AGAIN
which does not correspond to the original meaning. This capital point stands out from the first
comments which the Gospels raised and will one day be confirmed beyond all possible doubt. (1)
8. To enable the real meaning of these words to be reached it is also necessary to pay
attention to the significance of the word water which is not used here in its usual sense.
The knowledge of physics was very imperfect in ancient times when it was believed that the
Earth had risen out of the water. Therefore water was considered to be the exclusive primitive
generating substance. This is why we read in the book of Genesis: '...the Spirit of God moved upon
the face of the waters; it floated above the waters; .. . Let there be firmament in the midst of the
waters; ... Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land
appear; ... Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that
may fly above the Earth in the open firmament of heaven.'
According then to this belief, water represented the nature of matter, just as the Spirit
represented the nature of intelligence. The words: 'If man is not reborn of the waters and of the
Spirit, or in water and in Spirit', thus signify -'if man is not born with his body and his soul'. This is
the manner in which these words were originally understood.

Continued...

This interpretation is wholly justified by these other words: What is born of the flesh is flesh
and what is born of Spirit is Spirit. Here Jesus established a clear distinction between body and
Spirit. What is born of the flesh clearly indicates that only the body generates from the body and
that the Spirit is independent.
9. The words: 'The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound but know' not from
whence it comes nor whence it goes' are referring to the Spirit of God, who gives life to whom He
wishes, or rather to the soul of man. The words you know not where it comes from nor where it
goes', signifies that we do not know who the Spirit had been previously or who it will be in the
future. If the Spirit or soul was created at the same time as the body we would know where it came
from because we would know its beginning. Whichever way you look at this passage, it confirms
the principle of the pre-existence of the soul and subsequently the plurality of existences.
10. And from the days of John the Baptist until now the Kingdom of Heaven suffereth
violence and the violent take it by force. For all the prophets and the law prophesied until
John. And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come. He that hath ears to hear,
let him hear (Matthew, 11: 12-15).

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I believe in life after death i.e. I believe me, the personality that makes up me, my conscious and unconscious mind, the soul continues on, becoming something far greater (or lesser) in the form of energy.

Who knows, maybe I will become a part of a star, eventually returning to the source, god.

Those that don't believe in anything after this life (most Atheists), should think for a minute...exactly one minute. Imagine now that is all you have, try to sum up your life in that one minute in your head, the good times, the bad times, the emotions you felt and continue to feel right at this very moment and then...

BANG! YOUR DEAD!

Nothing, you're life was just a small blip and had some relevance in the now but very little effect in the wider universe...what a waste of a good mind.

I believe we live on, at the moment we die, we detach from our physical self and exist on as the voice in our head, maybe reborn as a star or a galaxy or something even greater.

reincarnation is liking take a piece of string, tying it to a nail sticking out on a wooden fence and then winding the string round and round, until it winds up so tight it either snaps or you run out of string....

Do you see my point? Don't focus on the internal, think about the external...Rumi (may god be pleased with him) said "there is a universe within us, we orbit our hearts"...

Think about the scale of the universe and then imagine being that grain of sand that learns to speak with its soul until whatever is in the wider universe can hear your voice.

Peace.

First of all thanks for this! I have always been fascinated with concept of reincarnation. And it actually has a lot of credibility in my opinion. But who knows?

However, im sorry but i'm going to reply to some people on this post and i apologies if it seems like a i bit of a rant. But i am so bored of hearing that Christianity/Catholicism ETC are all "wrong" "influenced by Satan" etc

I'm not here to tell you that you're all wrong. For all i know, you could have a point! But i think it paints people of these religions with the same brush. I am a Catholic. Raised as one and still consider myself one today. Granted, i could go to church a lot more than i do, but still, i'm a Catholic nevertheless.

I am completely open to reading about the religious conspiracies etc. And i'm even open to accepting some of them may well be true. But i think the morals and values that religion teaches millions of people across the world are not to be snuffed at. Look at the great work religious people have done for people over the years. How can that, in any way, be considered evil etc? Yes, you may have your opinion that religion is all a big lie to keep us all in check. I'd be open to researching that. But don't talk about religion like it's all evil. It's done and taught some wonderful things and helped many people across the entire globe.

And yes, if you were to say how much gold and money the Vatican has or any other religion for that matter. And how it's completely unjust that they claim to believe in God but yet they are more bothered about producing wealth for themselves than help God's people. And i would completely 100% agree with you that it is disgusting how much wealth is in this world, be it from religious leaders, politicians or anyone else, and yet we STILL have extreme poverty in this world.

I'm not a sheep. I'm not closed minded to the conspiracies and hypocrisy of many religious groups. But like i said earlier, don't treat us like idiots. Like fools. Like sheep. Many of us are well aware of what's going on. But instead choose to practice the good parts of religion. The good morals it teaches and the kindness it is more than capable of giving.

I hope this didn't go TOO off topic. And i like i said, i really enjoyed the post! s&f!

Nice thread, SnF

Being born human is hard and trying to make the most of it is, might I say, profitable...LOL
All things are judged from past deeds and being human makes atonement easier and possible.
Do good and do only good...

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Personally, I believe in it. I've had recurring death dreams of being other people, and through different times, since I can remember. All of these were violent deaths, so perhaps only those are the ones that stick in your memory...or maybe all the lives I've lived have been that way...who knows.

If these are more than dreams, then I've been many things over the years, even a woman in at least two of them, most are males though.

The ones I dreamed about were:

1. middle eastern farmer, I remember wearing a white linen shirt (time period must have been a long, long time ago, everything was horses, dirt roads, etc.), I'm washing my hands in a wooden rain barrel (nice weather, I'm in a place where there's greenery), and a guy in black leather type armor rides by on horseback, and slashes me once with a large sword. I fall into the barrel and drown, realizing I'm paralyzed and can't save myself (assuming the sword severed my spine).

2. some kind of european academic (I remember leaving some kind of lab, my lab). I'm in light blue robes with a gold brocade trim, and soft low boots. I'm climbing on a thin ledge outside of a stone tower or keep, trying to escape some group of people...when an arrow hits me in the back and I fall. (guess the fall killed me)

3. female, dressed in filthy gray rags, very torn, tortured somehow, some kind of pilgrim like time...I'm in a cell, near another woman (and have some kind of relationship with/to her), for a while, before I'm dragged off and burnt at the stake (guessing I was a convicted witch?)

4. male, some kind of sailor uniform, white, but more officer like (some kind of fancy boat, not military, could even by the Titanic, though that doesn't feel right)....it's night, it's cold (freezing even)...and I'm in the salt water of an ocean, with many others who are dead and floating. I can hear a whistle in the distance, but I know it won't reach me, and I freeze and/or drown. I still think this is where my zombie phobia comes from. (and why I hate whistles)

5. female, wearing a yellow dress and hat (and I'm pretty damn hot), more of a modern 20's time era, I'm near a window of a high building. I get shot in the back, and go out the window...I remember the view of the city on the way down. What the hell is with getting it in the back anyhow?

6. male, black, I'm in a white tux-like suit, my girlfriend is in a purple dress, hat, and white gloves...I have a white 40's style convertible with red leather seats...I'm at some kind of social or dance. I get into an altercation with a group of guys (they are wearing fedora style hats), and I get stabbed, a lot, in the gut.

7, male, black, I'm in an army combat uniform, running for a chopper (huey style), when I step on a mine. I'm then on my back, looking up, seeing the blades of the chopper lift off, hearing lots of machine gun fire, knowing they needed to go.

Fun times....

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A vignette from Peter Murphy's song "Shy" from his album titled "Deep"... for your consideration:

The Sister Of Sleep

He was thought of as strange
A good looking man
And shallow eyes
Like two hidden from view and
Empty puddles of hue
His views on death
Spread like two anecdotal tales
Although he reclining declining
To disclose in public
These opinions in public
The tales held the key
Death is the surname of sleep
But the surname unknown to us
Sleep is the daily end of life
A small exercise in death
Which is it's sister
But not every brother and sister
Are equally close
Giving to the enemy
A small exercise in submission
And holding onto nothing
He was thought of as strange
A good looking man
And shallow eyes
Like two hidden from view
And empty puddles of hue
His views on death.

www.metrolyrics.com...

Originally posted by crzayfool
The biggest problem I have with reincarnation is,

There are more creatures, races, species, plants and bacteria than ever before...

If there were 10 Original people on Earth and two of them reproduced... What had to die to give life to the new born?
or
If there were 10 Original people on Earth and two of them reproduced... How did they get twins if only one other soul died?

I used to think along those lines until I realized that there is noting prohibiting 2 souls from creating a new soul via procreation.
Even believing in reincarnation, life has to begin somewhere no?

reply to post by NarcolepticBuddha
So, reincarnation—the idea that you’ve lived multiple lifetimes before this one and will continue to do so afterward. Some believe, and some don’t. But why? What are the reasons to believe or disbelieve?

One good reason to believe is because Jesus taught the Doctrine of Resurrection as a Doctrine of Rebirth....That is a good place to start.

The little death..

Pink rein - carnations

Anyone seen any pink cardinals running around the Vatican?

reply to post by NarcolepticBuddha


The afterlife is a funny thing. Many make a living hell of their lives for promises of treasure in an afterlife. But alas, no evidence has been found of it. The concept is interesting, but no proof; no faith. Yes there are repetitive patterns in nature, it's all a circle/cycle, but that doesn't conclude that something called a soul exists and it resides in a person, waiting to be released/re-incarnated. That's just fantasy.