Is common sense & humour now forbidden too???

This has been a very interesting discussion.....with soo many important points brought up...I'd like to chime in with a few observations if I may.......first my daughter just turned 22 yrs old a few days ago....very smart kid...lol...but she has a mind of her own.....which is what I wanted for her...but a few things backfired.....and every parent knows you "second guess" choices you made with your kids...but I Love her and I Really tried my best.

As a young Mother, I think I rocked it...I was reading to her in the womb....co-op pre-school I helped work, and was very involved as class Mom when she was in grade school...and I'm here to tell you when your around, they are nicer to your kid...lol...although my child was delightful...

All Hell broke loose when she hit Junior High...which was 6th grade for her, which I think is too young, was 7th grade when I grew up. Anyways the school made it quite clear to me that parents where no longer encouraged to be in the classroom...and a good job for me was to "pimp" candy, wrapping paper, raffles, etc. to fund raise...my daughter was getting depressed in a way I had never seen...her grades dropped...she didn't like school anymore....

Sooo...we beg, borrow and steal to send her to a private school, omg...what a change....the "class" difference was a challenge, cause trust me the reality of how "wealthy" children are taught is COMPLETLY different then public schools....and she did well through the rest of Junior High.

All Hell breaks loose again in High School when she wants to go back to public school....by then the inter-net was a part of everyday life for most people...infact the schools, teachers and sporting clubs absolutely encourage communicating with them in this way...my sis was so pissed when she had to join FB for her daughter's volleyball team....sooo Schools are encouraging kids to get on-line, and I have mixed feelings about this actually.

My daughter did not want to go to college, which made me sad....lol....I think she may be re-thinking that these days...and I will help her if she ever wants to go back......but she's my girl....she thinks for herself, I'm proud of her....and she is REALLY FUNNY.....

well said to the OP, sometimes it seems that being politically correct has been upgraded to simply stupid.
you can't do anything anymore without people needing "counselling". It's sad really.

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The school that suspended the Al Capone of pop-tarts is offering counseling to those upset by the incident,

www.naturalnews.com...

"Now, an assistant principal at the school has sent a letter to parents offering counseling to kids who may have been upset by the incident. I kid you not."

NaturalNews.com

It's sad because a good laugh is one of the facets of being human.
I loved the song in the op and it reminded me of this one. Enjoy!

reply to post by phyllida

Those children in the cafeteria were problem totally fine until some jobsworth teacher told them all that they must be traumatized, should speak to their parents about their feelings (which they probably didn't have until being told they should have)

Yah, get em young. Infuse into their little minds the fear of over the top reactionary "adults".

"Be very, very afraid now children."

"The boogey man is every where. Hes gonna getcha! Obey... obeeyyy".

Whomever is in charge of this style of "education" indoctrination ought to be locked up for the damage they are doing to young minds. In little rubber rooms. Thats real criminal behavior. Carrying capitulation training to a whole other level.

Seething.

I have a secret weapon I'm weird.I can say EXACTLY what I please.I introduce myself that way it saves time and then they know I'm cool with it.For a cold war cav vet, I need that for my dark humor and sharp wit..
I recently have noticed comedy films aren't that funny lately.I can't put my finger on why and Who can tell if it's a generational gap thing(although 70s and 80s rock were the pinnacles of the genre) I haven't seen many good pratfalls either.
I will say this about the kids though.we didn't have access to all this info like they do now so I guess they're drunk on it.
The truth will out,what happens when they get bored with it? Or when the progressives find out their sacred cows are just as much liars and controllers as we found out "The Man" was?
No need to apologize to me about it, just fix it kids.

I've found over the years that films always have a moral or try to teach us all something that somebody wants us to know. Even comedies will temper it all with some kind of moral lesson. What's wrong with having a good old laugh and some fun without the "Now this may be funny people but just remember not to....(insert appropriate lesson)"

I did away with tv 10 yrs ago and haven't regretted a moment, at least that's one influence my children haven't been brought up with!

Oh and as for thinking outside the box, ever noticed that when a person/child does that, they can be ostracised? Made to feel stupid? Punished for non conformity?

reply to post by phyllida


I think the problem with humor now a days is that people want to impose what THEY think as funny on the world and that creates a conflict.

I see for example, NO REASON why south park had to censor out Mohamed in their anniversary episode. They should just NOT watch.

I see NO REASON though, why some one should have to put up with racist jokes in a situation they can not simply push a button to end.

Racist jokes used to be fine, even socially accepted. They were in Movies, TV shows, everywhere.

Now that has ended, and it is great. Minorities MAY have smiled before as you made them feel uncomfortable, but inside they were on the defensive. It WASNT funny for them. If you dont say something so EVERYONE can laugh, then you are laughing AT SOMEONE.

Like everything though, just tune out, turn away, and leave a comical situation you dont agree with.

If I am in a room where "Mexican" jokes are flying, I will leave. WHY? Because my wife is Mexican, and my daughter is half Mexican. I WILL NOT smile and go through emotional gymnastics while people I love are being ridiculed. I will probably not hold resentment against the joke tellers if I see that humor was the intended result, I may break your nose if I see you are an angry little POS. Depends. BUT I will not stay in a situation where I was made to feel uncomfortable. My consideration ends right there.....about where the joke tellers consideration for me ended.

You commented on the other thread about British humor. You said I chose to get offended. That is like saying people CHOOSE to be gay. No, I WAS offended. If you cant have consideration for ME, WHY should I understand your intentions? It is not that I am being anal. It is that I am not a phony that will smile while you spit on me. Sorry. I wouldnt do that to others.

And that is really the crux of it. Some people you joke around with a certain way and others you dont.

I have had black friends that we ONLY joked around with racial jokes. We werent offended and we had a blast.

I have had gay friends that would be offended if you mentioned ANYTHING gay. They and I shared other types of humor.

I have had friends that were VERY serious and we didnt joke around ABOUT them.

You cant IMPOSE YOUR humor on others. If you really want to SHARE something you include them. If you dont care and just want to ENTERTAIN YOURSELF, then you joke about them regardless of their enjoying it or not.

So with that said, you cant seriously ask that people humor YOU so you can get a chuckle while they are sitting under the shower of insults they dont find particularly funny.

share a laugh or auto pleasure yourself. Its that simple.

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This is my point, you DO have a choice, we all do. We can choose how to react to any situation so we can choose to laugh and shrug it off, or kick up a fuss cause stink and bad feeling all around whilst being totally righteous in our indignation.

If someone was purposefully insulting your wife daughter or heritage fair enough, but if that someone was allegedly a friend then I'd be thinking of changing friends. I think it fairly unlikely that friends would be sat around telling mexican jokes whilst you were there but even if they were you still have a choice of how to react. Are a few non insulting jokes about stereotypical mexicans worth losing sleep over? Humour is rarely an attack on a particular person, so why take it as such?

There's a difference between insults and humour there's also a difference between percieved insults where none was ever intended

The same applies for religious jokes. If you're faith was all strong and all empowering, then no amount of silly jokes or snide comments should be able to shake it. It matters not what someone else says, its your faith and your belief system so you should be happy in the knowledge that they are misguided (in your opinion) or ignorant or whatever, not go around burning books bombing mosques/churches and generally kicking off big time because your faith has been shattered by a poor joke!

I don't run everytime there's an english joke I don't seek therapy or dump friends because they didn't consider my feelings over something so petty. I am grown up enough to know how it was meant its down to me how I react. If someone was calling me a dirty white chav or something similar then that's totally different, that's an insult and meant as an insult and couldn't be taken any other way, but even so, I've still a choice as to how to react.

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some insults are funny, it just depends to whom they are funny to. That is the point.

You have to consider the people you are supposedly trying to make laugh. If not you are just making fun of them.

I have enjoyed jokes before that were meant to make Americans laugh, which were critical of them. I have been pretty pissed off when the point is only TO MAKE FUN OF AMERICANS.

If your point is to make me laugh then I will, if your point is to laugh, then I may or may not find myself included in the "good times zone".

And you are right, you can just walk away and not look back. BUT you should try to explain yourself first just in case that was not their intention or if it is at all possible that they can choose another form of humor.

I have heard REALLY funny Mexican jokes that were told by people who saw my pale green eyed gringo ass and didnt think I had Mexican relatives. I laughed since the intention was to make me laugh and they werent being idiots. I would then tell them after, nice and all, funny too, but just change it up some and why....

I have had explained to me that certain dark humor I like was inappropriate and I changed it up, I wouldnt get all pissed because they were "fussy". I wanted to make THEM laugh, so what they find acceptable is VERY important to me in that situation. NOT what I find appropriate, but what they do since I want them to enjoy themselves.

The "dumb American" is a stereo type, and a repeated one that is meant to insult. That is not funny or meant to be funny to Americans. That is why I didnt stay in the other thread. It had NO wit, no thought behind it, it was just a derogatory way to call my people dumb.

Imagine the idea that all blacks are dumb.....that is pretty offensive. isnt it. Why would I NOT find it offensive when every European idiot thinks its fair game to call my people dumb? How is that NOT offensive to me? What is the joke FOR US...?

The way it was presented in that thread was matter a factly. It had no humor to it. It was flat out an insult. WHY would I take it on the chin? F that. I wasnt included. It wasnt meant to be funny to Americans, but to everyone else.

Insults are funny. I get that, They are just NOT funny nor are they meant to be to the people they insult.

I could make fun of English teeth, or non existent sex drives, and everything else, BUT I wouldnt take issue because an Englishman decided that since he wasnt included in the laughing end, that he decided to leave and was offended. That is damn insulting to him, as it is I would have been MAKING FUN of him. NOT with him.

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I agree holefartedly.

Take the above linked scene, for example.

Never in my travels have I witnessed such a blurtant attack on one of nature's finest creations - beans - butt also by extension bean growers/producers who bare-ly squeak by in today's suffocating markets.

This callous and insensitive display has conjured up catchy blasts such as:

--> Beans, beans, the musical fruit - the more you eat, the more you toot...

or the more cleverly worded:

--> Beans, beans, they're good for your heart, the more you eat, the more you fart...

These slogans seep their way into a room, or a crowded elevator, or a tightly packed car, in such an insidious manner that those who are stricken do not even realize their full impact until it is far, far too late.

It's time we ceased with the spreading of things that ought not to be spread. Those who spout off with these kinds of hate-filled nuggets accomplish nothing but suck all the air out of the room for any subsequent, meaningful discussion.

Originally posted by phyllida
I did away with tv 10 yrs ago and haven't regretted a moment, at least that's one influence my children haven't been brought up with!

Ya.... I did the same thing... found out later that the kids were going over their friend's house on Sat. morning. Guess what they were doing there?

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OP BTW,
Started a thread with a very similar theme as this one....

title: Why are atheistic liberals who want to be PC so hypocritical? ATS Thread

Something funny?


Folks (Cartoons), is that possible that nacism is again 'in'?

Here are some more examples of total lack of common sense.

A resident of Fort Gay USA was banned from xbox live in 2010
Microsoft apologises
How simple would it have been to just look at a map? Even the Mayor tried to intervene!!

And a great example of interference by a non parent!
Carmel Bus Driver Berates Girl

A few years ago Civil Servants in the UK were sent on a course to teach them "How to be Nice To One Another" at a cost of £140,000 to ensure senior staff knew how to speak to junior staff

A choir in Cardiff were told to change the words to the carol "God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen" to "God Rest Ye Merry People" so as not to offend women

And one of my own....in Cafe Nero last year asked for a large black coffee and a white one...was told "Did you mean a coffee no milk and a coffe with milk?"

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Yeah its just in disguise Just hope it doesn't catch on...I never have looked good in brown!

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How true but sad your post on page one is. These little people will be in charge soon, scary thought.

Star

reply to post by phyllida


GAUUGH!

This crap makes me sick.

Y'know, when I hear things like this, it drives me to do something stupid.

I once traveled to a bank with some friends, and I told them "We're here to rob your bank."

I really expected some sh!t to hit the fan. You can't joke like that. Not anymore.

But, shockingly, nothing happened.

But... anyway... this is pathetic.

My kids will be home schooled, or aborted. No public school. Ever.

I wonder if the kid would have gotten suspended if he made a fighter-jet shaped pastry...

it is also a weapon, and much more dangerous, but not demonized, because why?

Because you can't buy one.

So very true, I am tired of it honestly lately I've been thinking like that lately. Everyone always has to win there are no losers so no one really tries to be better anymore they all just sort of want to be on the same level. I have to admit i usually say things without thinking and now i constantly have to watch my words because someone is always offended by a joke, people just feel a little bit of pain somewhere and they are quick to seek medical attention I mean like really suck it up you'll get over it

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It seems to me, that we are creating an illusionary society where there are no losers like you say, no-one gets hurt feelings and no-one has to compete for anything. It appears we are molly coddling children to believe in some kind of perfect society then when they hit their 20's reality is far far different and they are not equipped to cope.

With the way some bad kids are rewarded and treated as special, they also believe there are no consequences to their actions. We have had plenty of scenarios in the UK where bad kids, disruptive kids and young offenders are treated to holidays away in exotic places, the likes of which normal children were highly unlikely to ever see. The children saw bad kids being rewarded helped and treated as special, and that created problems big time.

I think its quite possible that this kind of upbringing is responsible for all the alleged "new" mental problems that children supposedly have nowadays. Most seem really quite emotionally immature and grow up thinking they "deserve" this that or the other without having to earn it. We then end up with an older generation of very selfish socially awkward adults.