Is common sense & humour now forbidden too???

After learning that "sarcasm is wasted on the stupid", the next lesson on the list was "puns are wasted on the moronic" and from there, it progressed until we discovered that even though "normal" people would consider something funny or a joke, somewhere, out there, in the dark recesses of the tea party, there is a large group of idiots who would think "hey, that would be a great idea, let's try it!".

They are the people who the useless warning stickers on products were created for. The idiots who buy a cup of coffee from McDonalds, then sue because it burns their lap or the people who just like to have a slice of toast or blow dry their hair while in the bath tub.

Yes, those people have ruined "regular life" for all of us not only with their utter ignorance, but with their affinity for filing court cases and taking time away from much more pressing matters. It is because of them that "Political Correctness" has become what it is today. A totally useless endeavor that does little more than protect against the moronic lawsuit that will follow if anyone should slip up in any tiny little way that could cause the small brain of the tea party member to possibly cause harm to itself.

....if you're going to bring politics into things, be prepared for it to be turned on you when the truth is revealed.

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The ludicrous compensation culture is mostly to blame for that situation, which I apologise for saying but seemed to appear over here from the USA. I remember in the late 1980's people I worked with (I was a solicitor at the time) repeating stories of Americans who had sued for things such as trying to dry a chiuhauhua in the microwave and suing because the dog exploded but there was no warning on the microwave not to. She won and it seems from that point the floodgates opened. Insurance companies started panicking premiums went through the roof, Health & Safety Regulations went mental and everyone was treated like a complete moron. This had a knock on effect of making workers specialise so they could only do one job and if an item or chore wasn't in the job description they weren't allowed to do it just in case they screwed up and the company got sued. That also meant that things like maternity cover and holiday cover had to be covered by outside agencies as no other person in a company could do that job! Somehow for some reason everything is connected if you go deep enough

Or maybe I'm just a conspiracy theorist

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that's because they actually know what those frequencies are used for as opposed to the general population and to them, it was rubbish and a very sophomoric joke. To the general public, it's a bit more funny because very few know those are the frequencies used for TV transmission.

Originally posted by phyllida
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There is only so much we can do. Remember children spend possibly more time at school with teachers and peers than they do with parents. Its extremely difficult to show an alternate viewpoint to a child who is already indoctrinated and believes that teacher knows best and hey you're just a mother!

There has to be a line drawn whereby we allow our children to grow and develop with too much of our own prejudices and influences. Unfortunately, it seems that is not happening in schools. Rather than teach core subjects designed to get them into college and university, schools seem to have taken on the roles of social workers and left wing agenda pushers. Now whether that's through choice well that's a different matter.

Over the last ten years or so schools not parents have succeeded in breeding a generation of brainwashed idealists who spout the rhetoric without even knowing what it means or the consequences thereof. They have no competitive spirit in them and believe that jobs will just turn up and knock on their door. Many now believe they don't really have to try too hard as they will always be rewarded no matter what they do or how they perform. Underperformance and bad behaviour is rewarded here in the UK whilst the intelligent clever kids lag behind and are ignored and that's not good for anyone.

So your another one who just gives up and blames other people.

I have children and a partner who is a school teacher.

Education starts at home.

You go on and play the blame game. I will go on being a parent and supporting my childs development.

Brainwashing requires a person to be open to the act.

Originally posted by magma

As much as I will get flamed for this, the end responsibilty is with the childs parents.if your teenage children have trouble telling the time , then instead of getting upset with the education system, you would benefit from taking a look in the mirror and accepting responsibility for your own inability to assist in your childs education.

The system is not totally to blame and you are an example of why.

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Agreed, the schools teach what they are told to teach by the government that is elected by the people. If the people want things done differently, they need to pick their representatives a bit more carefully.

It's not the job of the school to raise the children but merely to educate them in the way seen fit by those in power, put in power by the masses. It's the job of the parent to raise the child and a huge majority of parents have failed their mission.

The people who seem to think they are in charge of the "norm" in society seem to be a little crazy and paranoid. We can't listen to much to those who profit from our fears. These therapists are just trying to convince us that we need them when we only really need them for severely extreme events. Kids will go along with it if they can get out of school. I was once a kid, I do remember how we were.

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The only blame game I'm playing my dear is the one where I blame whatever agenda is going on behind the scenes that I'm unaware of.

I have successfully brought up 2 children to be very near well adjusted adults, the 3rd child is proving far more difficult. I have to fight not only media influences and teacher influences but also all her friends and as we all know who are parents, to a teenager friends are the most important aspect of their lives! (that and facebook of course!)

I have no desire to indoctrinate my child to my way of thinking, that isn't right. Home schooling is rarely an option in this country, its complicated and costly and riddled with red tape.

I am concerned with and have discussed this with my daughter, that when I see her on facebook posting stuff calling friends racist or trolling for things to berate people about, I find it distressing and unecessary. Her response was "Well if everyone thought the same way there wouldn't be any racism or sexism and that would be a good thing". Hmmmm

But its not just her, her friends do exactly the same. They rarely have "fun" as it were, they spend such a huge amount of time trolling the net looking for politically incorrect articles or discussions and posting it all on facebook, they comment on each other and tell tales on each other and they believe its making everyone better people. I do believe that the Khmer Rouge tried something similar!!

that could cause the small brain of the tea party member to possibly cause harm to itself.

(Un-Republicanized) Tea Party people only want the country back from the NDAA, the Federal Reserve, and the TSA, and so forth. I just don't understand why you hate that so much.

Originally posted by phyllida
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I have three children with large age gaps between them, and the differences between them all are quite revealing. My eldest son at 29 is imaginative, can string more than 2 words together, doesn't spend all day online, has the lost art of common sense to a degree (he is male after all lol) and can boil and egg. My middle daughter 23 is almost there but believes every word that comes from mainstream media, has a vague idea that a kitchen is for cooking in but can still burn water, and is willing to listen to alternative views arguments and debates. My youngest daughter 15 thinks the word black is racist, believes racism is worse than being a paedophile (her words) is constantly on facebook trolling for people to berate for their "racist" views, believes that guns, knives, immigration laws, christmas (except for the pressies) should all be banned and we should live in this utopian ideal where everyone is lovely. She is constantly in tears and constantly going through various traumas because she can't cope with mild insults (that's now bullying apparently) is permanently going to her school counsellor to report this kid or that kid for racist remarks or bullying tactics, reported a teacher for alleged racist comments and is generally severely brainwashed.

I am hopeful that over the years I will be able to let her see there is more to life but alas my own viewpoint is that I cannot live her life, I can only teach by example and I have no choice but to trust she will "see the light" if you will. Its worrying

These are your children. It is your place, as a parent, to teach them to cook, to teach them to think, to teach them to live. Schools aren't meant to be the place they learn how to be PEOPLE, that's the parent's job.

Granted, in today's time, the school has had to step in and try to pick up the slack, but that's because parents weren't doing what parents are supposed to do. The schools did step in and try to make up for the poor parenting that was going on, but they can only go so far and can also only go as far as the "general public" will allow them to go. If you have religious views, family views, skills, traditions and so on, it's your job as a parent to teach those, not the job of the school.

If you want your child to know how to cook, spend time with them in the kitchen. If you want your child to have the same values you have, you have to teach those values to them. It's not the job of the school to read your mind, know your family history, use ESP to decide what you want the child to know and then impart it to them. That's the job of the parent and parents aren't stepping up these days.

What we have is the children of the children from the baby boom generation where parents decided to let their children "explore freely man..." instead of teaching them basic skills, disciplining them for misbehavior, cuddling and spoon feeding them until they were 30... the parents don't know how to be parents, they don't know how to raise children because they weren't raised themselves.

Take into careful consideration that the baby-boomers are very tied in with the tea party these days. Look at that platform, look at the activities, they are the activities of the people who didn't raise their children, didn't work a steady job, didn't do what "society" told them to do and now they are upset that their children and grandchildren don't act like their parents and grandparents.

It's a society who has perpetually laid the blame on everyone else but themselves. They don't take responsibility, they try to pass the buck. They are still doing it and their offspring is doing it as well.

Originally posted by phyllida
reply to post by magma

 

The only blame game I'm playing my dear is the one where I blame whatever agenda is going on behind the scenes that I'm unaware of.

I have successfully brought up 2 children to be very near well adjusted adults, the 3rd child is proving far more difficult. I have to fight not only media influences and teacher influences but also all her friends and as we all know who are parents, to a teenager friends are the most important aspect of their lives! (that and facebook of course!)

I have no desire to indoctrinate my child to my way of thinking, that isn't right. Home schooling is rarely an option in this country, its complicated and costly and riddled with red tape.

I am concerned with and have discussed this with my daughter, that when I see her on facebook posting stuff calling friends racist or trolling for things to berate people about, I find it distressing and unecessary. Her response was "Well if everyone thought the same way there wouldn't be any racism or sexism and that would be a good thing". Hmmmm

But its not just her, her friends do exactly the same. They rarely have "fun" as it were, they spend such a huge amount of time trolling the net looking for politically incorrect articles or discussions and posting it all on facebook, they comment on each other and tell tales on each other and they believe its making everyone better people. I do believe that the Khmer Rouge tried something similar!!

It's really not that hard. Take away the computer and her cell phone. She won't be on facebook. Drop your internet service, only allow her to go out with friends that you approve of and to places you approve of.

That's one of the responsibilities that comes with parenting. If you choose to not enforce the constraints, then you are the only one to blame when the results don't meet your approval.

Going back to the blame and teacher thing, teachers are no longer mere "teachers" as my generation knew them. They are now more like social workers as I said earlier. At the 2 schools my youngest daughter has attended, far more emphasis was put on politically correct garbage than actual teaching. Kids are excluded or put in isolation for ridiculous infringements of policy.

Example: last year when the Olympics were on, the Olympic torch was coming through my town. I bought my daughter a Union Jack school bag and pencil case. When she went back to school in the Autumn I recieved a letter stating that I should change the bag and pencil case as others may get offended. I rang the school and told them I couldn't afford to replace them yet and I really didn't see the problem. I was told if she continued to use the bag and pencil case she would be placed in isolation until I did replace them.

Example: a friend of my daughters was put in isolation for wearing a hairband that was 2 colours. School said that it "distracted other pupils from learning"

And I could spout many more as could other parents I'm sure. Seems to me children aren't allowed to be children and basically they are all damaged until they are all alike

Maybe everyone is petty because hardly anyone is used to real threat in their lives anymore. Previous generations had costly wars. Diseases, Even hunger. They also had in some ways greater freedom to be. They weren't watched monitored and preached to all the time.
Maybe now causing a fuss over some cakes or whining about someone's Facebook is the release that used to be gotten through struggling or danger.
I never have to tell my bike riding mates to lighten up. There have been a lot over the years who've been lost. Maybe that keeps the rest of us grounded in What's important?

These are your children. It is your place, as a parent, to teach them to cook, to teach them to think, to teach them to live. Schools aren't meant to be the place they learn how to be PEOPLE, that's the parent's job.

But thats my point they ARE teaching them to be people.....the Government's type of people (or whoever) and not only teachers but musicians tv magazines etc they are indoctrinated without even realising to the point where nothing is fun anymore and everything is doom gloom and depression.

I am not here nor did I create this thread to defend my parenting, that is not the topic. I am quite happy and satisfied thank you very much with how my children have turned out, but yes I have concerns and worries over my youngest child and what she is learning not only from school but elsewhere.

From what I have seen social skills for the younger generation I'd say 12-18yr olds, are extremely lacking, either that or its simply that I'm too old to accept the changes in that social skills now involve not going out but mixing online only. Perhaps that's the way its meant to be for now, kind of like online dating online shopping etc

Originally posted by phyllida

These are your children. It is your place, as a parent, to teach them to cook, to teach them to think, to teach them to live. Schools aren't meant to be the place they learn how to be PEOPLE, that's the parent's job.

But thats my point they ARE teaching them to be people.....the Government's type of people (or whoever) and not only teachers but musicians tv magazines etc they are indoctrinated without even realising to the point where nothing is fun anymore and everything is doom gloom and depression.

I am not here nor did I create this thread to defend my parenting, that is not the topic. I am quite happy and satisfied thank you very much with how my children have turned out, but yes I have concerns and worries over my youngest child and what she is learning not only from school but elsewhere.

From what I have seen social skills for the younger generation I'd say 12-18yr olds, are extremely lacking, either that or its simply that I'm too old to accept the changes in that social skills now involve not going out but mixing online only. Perhaps that's the way its meant to be for now, kind of like online dating online shopping etc

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It's the job of the parents, ALL the parents, to keep their children from being involved in those things. It's not the fault of the schools. They don't teach a class in "online dating" or shopping.

It's not the fault of the teachers, they are dictated to by the administration and the administration is dictated to by the government. The government is elected by the masses. Something has to give somewhere and somebody needs to take some responsibility.

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Sorry you misunderstood..I didn't mean teachers are teaching online shopping onlinen dating etc I meant that appears to be the way social interaction is going...its becoming a very isolated way of living

I am not just referring to school age children either, there are many many others that are being lead by the nose with tv internet and other media who've forgotten how to think for themselves or laugh!

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Apologies for being direct to you. If you do not know what agenda behind the scenes is being played out, then
Why participate in a non existant that has no effect on you?

As a parent you have a responsibility to be informed. Some things are behind the scenes and are not obvious. You shape your childs future and all we can hope is that our children are well informed and can think for themselves.

Originally posted by phyllida
reply to post by kthxbai

 

Sorry you misunderstood..I didn't mean teachers are teaching online shopping onlinen dating etc I meant that appears to be the way social interaction is going...its becoming a very isolated way of living

I am not just referring to school age children either, there are many many others that are being lead by the nose with tv internet and other media who've forgotten how to think for themselves or laugh!

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And I'm tired of teachers being blamed for everything that comes along. They are not superheroes, they are not psychics, they do not control the world. They do the job they are paid to do and try to help the students as much as they possibly can. In the meantime, they are treated like dirt by society, by parents, by administrators, by everyone in the world. Why would anyone want to be a teacher when they are treated this way?

If you want education to improve, start treating the teachers with respect like they once were, stop tying their hands with useless regulations and putting them under administrators that don't know what they're doing but have been moved up the ranks because of their incompetence.

This is not the fault of teachers, teachers aren't warping the children. I have friends and family who teach, they are good people, they bend over backwards to help kids that others have just swept under the rug or forgotten about. The teachers aren't the ones to blame here and it infuriates me when people do that!

Originally posted by redoubt


Today, that movie could NOT be made. Not a chance.

while I do agree with the general statement, it's not exactly true.

They are actually planning to make a live action movie of Uncle Ruckus from the boondocks. Unckle ruckus is by far the least politically correct character ever created.

Will there be an huge out cry of politically correct cry babies when it comes out? yea of course. But plenty of us young people still have a sense of humor. There is also shows like Tosh.0 that make a bunch of insensitive jokes.

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Awesome thread OP ! And I've carried something we used often in my hood when I was growing up. I still find great use for it today.

#### 'em if they can't take a joke !

SnF

Ok, I'm going to interject a thought here on the raising of kids and schools and things of that sort. We can actually blame socity, as it is. Does anyone remember when a family with 5 kids can live on one parent working??? Sure it can be done if the person is making over 150,00 a year. Most normal familys have to have both parents working just to make ends meet, I'm sure there are a lot on here who can relate. However, It is up to the parents to teach morals and things like that.

I do not get on facebook at all. Can't stand it, why on earth would I want to know a blow by blow of what people do during the day?? Or couples in the same house having a conversation on Facebook??? Never understood that one.

I've tried to instill in my daughter, to do your best, and take no $hit from anyone, they give it to you, give it back, but better. And of course, have fun. See, I've already have her convinced that being crazy is hereditary, and she has it from both sides, but parents get it from their kids!!! Yes, you read it right. I also say things to see if she is at least thinking about what I tell her, and the smart-a$$ got that one the first time. So see, parenting should be top priority, but I think it has fallen on the way side. I work nights and barely get to see my family, so I try and make the times I do see them count.