Dreams are NOT about your subconcious desires...

reply to post by BROB51


To a large degree I'm with you. To me they are a subconscious process of dealing with acquired experiences and linked to the sleep state of the mind and how it process and stores memory. (Sleep is highly related with memorization). Imagination and emotions has a great deal of impact on memory formation, a dream is when we become consciously aware of the processing that is going on and try to make sense of what is going on, that is why one tends to forget dreams or breaks the process by consciously breaking the pattern of work that was being done. Dreams are fun but the visualization process is simply a byproduct due to a higher level or awareness and probably only a fraction the processing that occurs when not consciously aware. I urge everyone to try to have a lucid dream (or take control over the flow of a dream) it requires a level of mental control not to pop-the-bubble but it will for everyone a new mental landscape of possibilities teaching a lot about self examination of your mental processes. (Similar to when you are able to resolve night terrors).

See Lucid Dreaming (at Wikbooks)

Dreaming seems to serve too main purposes analysis and speculation it serves to train not only factual memory but to also to preemptively establish emotional responses to situations and cross link it all together.

I'm also a disbeliever on the past life phenomena as is general reported (or interpreted). I do believe that some experiences are real but not the rational put behind it. There are a lot of possibilities to explain the phenomena, that to a point is parallel to reincarnation. My strongest objection is in centering it on thinking about one self as being special to a point that requires preservation and the necessary complex system required to manage the process. But that is another topic of discussion...

Originally posted by AceWombat04
I'm skeptical of any sort of magical or spiritual implications ...

Why? Is there any particular reason? I am just being curious

Originally posted by Emarie

Originally posted by AceWombat04
I'm skeptical of any sort of magical or spiritual implications ...

Why? Is there any particular reason? I am just being curious

Because I have yet to see or experience what I would consider compelling evidence that could lead me to conclude that some dreams are magical or spiritual in nature, and to rule out all other explanations of a more mundane nature.

Peace.

I love threads about dreaming and the dream world. Mostly because I hold them in such high regard.

My thoughts on the subject, I dont know what they are. I have theories but they make as much sense as my dreams. Been a lucid dreamer since I was a kid of maybe 5 or 6 thats the longest back I can recall a lucid dream. I remember I wanted some water colours for school as all the other kids had them and i didnt so In my dream I had the water colours and I knew I was dreaming so I wrapped the watercolour box in my shirt so that when I woke up I would drag it into the waking world. Alas it didnt work but that memory is burned into my psyche as a very early lucid dream. I lucid dream almost monthly now.

Some people have mentioned that the lucid world is as real as the waking and I can confirm that. Physics are NOT the same but matter still seems to have a relative similarity to this reality, although with concentration even that can be morphed. I really dont know if we are accessing alternative realities but if we are it would make sense as to why it all seems so real.

But my suspicion is that its like playing in a sandbox when you dream and your playing online when you are awake. As you get older the complexity of your dreams increase as your brain has had more information stored to build newer and more complex models of reality.

But how cool is it all. Its sad that some people cant remember their dreams such a waste of sleep time not playing in a world of your own creation. great thread OP

I can agree that my dreams are nothing like my daily life or thoughts, some are so bizarre its difficult to understand whats going on, the one common thing is, because I do a lot of cycling, my bike' appiers in some of them.
I think dreams are a doorway into a parallel universe, thats the only way these dreams make sense, to me anyway.

Originally posted by TiM3LoRd
I love threads about dreaming and the dream world. Mostly because I hold them in such high regard.

But how cool is it all. Its sad that some people cant remember their dreams such a waste of sleep time not playing in a world of your own creation. great thread OP

I agree. There was a time when I used to keep a dream diary because I was so curious about my dreams and had read that if before you go to sleep you focus on wanting to remember them after waking up you are more likely to do so and it worked! It worked for a while almost every single morning. At some point I stopped doing it (because other things distracted me) and when I re-read that diary a couple of months later I was astonished about how much detail I had written down. I had by that time forgotten almost all of those dreams, with the exception of maybe one or two.
One of them was about me standing by the open window in my parent's kitchen looking out over the neighbour's garden, and there was a boy, maybe 12-14 years old, whom I didn't know, he ran through the gardens and up a little tree, and when he reached the top of it, he looked at me, then changed into a big bird and flew away. I remember distinctly how I felt when I saw that, but not quite as in awe as I would have been in real life.

Originally posted by AceWombat04

Originally posted by Emarie

Originally posted by AceWombat04
I'm skeptical of any sort of magical or spiritual implications ...

Why? Is there any particular reason? I am just being curious

Because I have yet to see or experience what I would consider compelling evidence that could lead me to conclude that some dreams are magical or spiritual in nature, and to rule out all other explanations of a more mundane nature.

Peace.

Yeah, I know what you mean. I DO believe in spirits (being around us and part of us and our lives all the time) but still often find myself wishing I would see proof (I have this little wind chime in my bedroom which makes the most beautiful sounds and often I ask the spirits to let it sound when I know there is NO wind at all in the room, just once, just to show me they are there. For some reason that became my proof of choice. But it never happened yet. ;-) But I don't wanna give up hope. Such a little thing, ey? For some reason I think the minute I stop caring about it it might happen, hehe.

Thank you for answering me.

reply to post by BROB51


I saw a documentary not too long ago where scientists were doing all types of tests on animals, and humans to determine what exactly dreams are. They came to the conclusion that dreams are actually our brain preparing for events so that when an event like that happens we'll be sort of familiar with the situation since it was already in our dream.

reply to post by BROB51

What about that sentimental feeling you get after you wake up, when you just finished spending time with one of these people you seemingly love but dont know who they are? Its almost like you miss them after you wake up... I need answers.

Some think they are ancestors that were alive before you were born. Passed on, but still there... somewhere. Thats why the "familiarity", get it? Family?

Sometimes we meet them one or two, sometimes in a group. We turn a corner, open a door and there they are. Sometimes they guide us to stuff we learn or places we have never been to but seem real enough. Try looking at pictures of old passed on family members and see if you recognize silhouettes, faces or style of dress. You might be surprised.

And if not, don't worry about it. Cherish those moments. Like you related they are usually positive experiences, right?

You'll meet them one day, guaranteed.

Ive been reading all the replies and I just want to say im so thankful for my first thread (well my first meaningful thread other than the dreaded introduction) has come to spark interesting conversations! The dreams I have been having lately are still extremely vivid and creative, however, they arent the emotional types that I had been getting the days prior. I know there is a difference! I do admit though, I do have alot of baggage being processed in my dreams as of late. I wont get into details but you can definitely sense in these dreams when your brain is trying to tell you something. Its hard though, in the waking world, to put these messages into action and do something about them. The waking world is just so much harder to manipulate and its so much more concrete, its like a barrier thats hard to break. I might know what my mind is trying to tell me but trying to figure out the proper actions to take to fix these subjects is the difficult part. As for the emotional dreams, I am wanting to get another one of these soon! They feel so good, and such an adventure. Many people are replying agreeing with my suspicion that they are gateways to alternate realities and I dont think anyone is going to sway me away from that way of thinking, as many have said on here, its the explanation that would make most sense as to why these dreams feel so real.

reply to post by BROB51


Yeah don't worry you aren't the only one. I have for a long time accepted there are varying types of dreams but often 90% of people will just think it's all a product of your days events or subconscious desires. It's important to understand though that people themselves have varying degrees of dream capability - I know a lot of people that hardly even dream. I can tell when my dream is a simple subconscious desire manifesting itself or whether it's based on my days events but I also have completely unrelated dreams that involve whole story lines, lives, experiences, people - attachments and relationships e.t.c and then I'll wake up like WTF I literally was just immersed in another reality from start to end.

As human beings we seem to have this amazing ability to tap into the field of all potential, which we often just call our imagination, and of course during your waking life this is fine-tuned to this specific physical existence and perception but when you sleep your 'mind' is 'freed' and you are able to experience these virtual realities that manifest due to a multitude of important factors we don't yet fully understand.

reply to post by DazDaKing


Yes! I say to myself that if I can imagine it then it surely exists in one form of reality or another, because if it didnt then why would I even be able to picture it in my mind? So yes its silly but if I can imagine a world where lollipops grow out of the ground then surely that place does exist. This becomes especially true when you have a strange dream and you wake up and say "well thats not even possible" but oh it is! Your imagination is the greatest indicator that ANYTHING is possible.

Originally posted by supernova56
reply to post by BROB51

 

I saw a documentary not too long ago where scientists were doing all types of tests on animals, and humans to determine what exactly dreams are. They came to the conclusion that dreams are actually our brain preparing for events so that when an event like that happens we'll be sort of familiar with the situation since it was already in our dream.

Ideas like this, or ideas like we dream to deal with events, or it's us being aware of our thoughts reorganizing, etc., all of them are novel ideas but none IMO explain how we would have evolved this ability (why, what selective pressures could have led to it over time?), nor do they explain HOW (the mechanism in which) we are able to have such vivid dreams within the mind's eye. Plenty of mystery remaining.

Originally posted by BROB51
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Yes! I say to myself that if I can imagine it then it surely exists in one form of reality or another, because if it didnt then why would I even be able to picture it in my mind? So yes its silly but if I can imagine a world where lollipops grow out of the ground then surely that place does exist. This becomes especially true when you have a strange dream and you wake up and say "well thats not even possible" but oh it is! Your imagination is the greatest indicator that ANYTHING is possible.

Sometimes I wonder if anything truly is possibly in that realm via sheer thought and will. Perhaps biological life is a growth or trial phase. Having the ability to conjure most anything with thought -- infinite possibility -- that's a lot of power for sentient beings to wield. If that realm were to accept people who wanted to control or bully others, or people who are as selfish as many of us here on Earth, it would be a mess...

Sometimes I do feel I am presented with trials in dreams, and if I screw up ethically, I feel bad later. I remember one dream for ex. where there was this puddle of mud (not the # band, lol), and an old lady was starting to fall into it (like, she had tripped). I was dragged in somewhat in passing as she was falling, and I kind of could try and save her and likely also fall in, or just pull away, which is what I did in the moment without thinking, and she fell into the mud. TEST FAILED, -5 karma points! Heh.

Some of my dreams are most definitely not about my subconscious desires. They are about my well known and obvious desires.

The one dream, where the pharmacy girl is wearing lingerie and feeding me grapes...........not exactly subconscious.

Anyway, I like your OP.


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Originally posted by TiM3LoRd
I love threads about dreaming and the dream world. Mostly because I hold them in such high regard.

My thoughts on the subject, I dont know what they are. I have theories but they make as much sense as my dreams. Been a lucid dreamer since I was a kid of maybe 5 or 6 thats the longest back I can recall a lucid dream. I remember I wanted some water colours for school as all the other kids had them and i didnt so In my dream I had the water colours and I knew I was dreaming so I wrapped the watercolour box in my shirt so that when I woke up I would drag it into the waking world. Alas it didnt work but that memory is burned into my psyche as a very early lucid dream. I lucid dream almost monthly now.

Some people have mentioned that the lucid world is as real as the waking and I can confirm that. Physics are NOT the same but matter still seems to have a relative similarity to this reality, although with concentration even that can be morphed. I really dont know if we are accessing alternative realities but if we are it would make sense as to why it all seems so real.

But my suspicion is that its like playing in a sandbox when you dream and your playing online when you are awake. As you get older the complexity of your dreams increase as your brain has had more information stored to build newer and more complex models of reality.

But how cool is it all. Its sad that some people cant remember their dreams such a waste of sleep time not playing in a world of your own creation. great thread OP

I had a similar experience!! I was communicating with my friends in the dream when I was still a kid, and in the dream I told them I had superpowers because I knew it was a dream. I opened my eyes for a split second, which brought me back to my room and when I closed them again I was in the same dream. The weirdest part was that in the dream they reacted to what I had just done.

Either my mind has constructed that entire scenario or I was lucky enough to experience lucid dreaming. After that I do not recall any other dreams which I had that much control over.

reply to post by peashooter


From the sounds of it you were lucid dreaming.

I too sometimes try to convince my dream characters that they are figments of my imagination. They seem confused by this until i fly off the ground. Lol. It's a trip to say the least.

i believe some of them are. if you think a lot about something you will dream about it. however i do think there are different "types" of dreams and not all of them have to do with desires. Its messy though, getting to involved with it can consume you

Not to plug my own thread, but I would ask that you might want to look at the 'school' I attended in my ''dream'' life. I Have met some of the people now from this world HERE! I understand completely where you are coming from friend.

THE MALL WORLD UNIVERSAL UNIVERSITY

reply to post by AceWombat04


I understand the skepticism, and think much the same believe it or not. Having skepticism doesn't mean we can't explore possibilities of the magickal way of thinking actually being correct. It has worked for me, but still the skeptic in me understands this completely.