I want to be a CHEMTRAIL DEBUNKER

Originally posted by Uncinus
If chemtrails existed they would be distinguishable from persistent contrails

Which they are. Contrails don't form to look like a game of tic-tac-toe being played in the sky. The chemtrails are criss crossing eachother. There is absolutely nothing normal whatsoever about that.

No proposed chemtrails are distinguishable from persistent contrails

That would be impossible for you to prove.

Therefore chemtrails do not exit QED

Why, because you say so? Ok, Good luck with that. ~$heopleNation

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That would be impossible for you to prove.

Prove there are "chemtrails".
You don't get it, do you?
You completely missed the point.

Originally posted by waynos
But it's not enough for me. I'm not asking you to do my homework for me, nor should you assume I haven't done any research. If you have seen something that shows that GE looks like contrails why wouldn't you share that with someone lsr who has not? If someone says they know something 100% to be a fact, then I would expect them to be able to explain why.

Listen my friend, if you're too lazy to use the search function here that is not my problem. Do you have any idea how many threads are here discussing this subject, for or against the existence of chemtrails?

Class is not in session, and I will choose how to spend my time here at ATS.

Yeah sure, I guess I could go out the next time I see one and take some photos and then upload them here but I won't waste my time. There are thousands of images all over the net. Google can be your Teacher. ~$heopleNation

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It grids of trails are unnatural, please offer an explanation as to how you believe that the many thousands of flights in the sky 24 hrs a day get to their destinations?

Routes MUST cross paths, the skies are very very busy, indeed, grids are left when persistent trails are possible over a relatively wide area of sky and the trails from all these flights just hang in the sky (skipping the added complication of high altitude winds moving trails sideways). This is not difficult.

So, it seems you CAN'T actually tell the difference by looking, you are just confused by air traffic, what a let down

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
you think that the logical fallacy argument from ignorance[/url] was invented jsut to show chemtrails don't exist??

Not at all, but I do believe that yes man robots like yourself latch on to anything that would make it appear that you know what you're talking about.

You overestimate my influence....and your own importance!!

You underestimate my opinion of you or what you think.

If you don't believe Chemtrails exist, that's fine with me because once again I could care less about what you believe or do not believe. I am prefectly comfortable with folks having a different opinion than I do.

I am sorry that mine seem to irk you so much. I think a long walk, a cold shower, two fish oils and a nap would do you some good though. Just saying. ~$heopleNation

Originally posted by Phage
Yeah. No.
Probably not.
www.jstor.org...

Wow, what a constructive contribution to the subject of the thread. You're better than that though. ~$heopleNation

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Ah. And this comment of yours, which I was referring to, was constructive?

LMAO!!! You guys came up with a good one there. Well, you denialists had to make something up in order to save face eh?

Originally posted by Phage
Prove there are "chemtrails".

Prove that there are not.

You don't get it, do you?

Get what, your bully tactics or your self righteous approach to this debate? Try standing alone against me, but you won't cause you already know where that would lead you.

You completely missed the point.

Yeah? Well you completely missed the boat buddy.

Again, Chemtrails are real, and whatever straw man arguement that you conjure up will not convince me otherwise. ~$heopleNation

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Again, Chemtrails are real, and whatever straw man arguement that you conjure up will not convince me otherwise.

Yes, we know you have a closed mind. You don't actually need to point it out.

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What, as constructive an addition as

Listen my friend, if you're too lazy to use the search function here that is not my problem

FYI, I have been on here for several years and have read the board an awful lot during that time, but the question I have posed has been seemingly too difficult for believers to give a straight answer to for that entire time, Surely if you belive something o be a 100% fact you have a reason behond it? Didnt you ever question it at the start or did you just fall in with the bogeyman story? you are just the latest in a long line who seems to believe in chemtrails without really knowing why. Very sad.

If just one person could actually answer it they would have my respect (whether they wanted it or not). So far, nobody has.

Originally posted by Phage
Ah. And this comment of yours, which I was referring to, was constructive?

Sometimes one has no choice but to defend themselves against you spin artists and your circus side show. However, I have done my best to stick to the topic of the thread, while you yes men puppets make it about me, my education on the matter or some other blah, blah, blah and more blah mindless drivel bs.

You would think that I pee'd in your cheerios or something? It really is just simply a difference of opinion. ~$heopleNation

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It really is just simply a difference of opinion.

Maybe.
But I have facts and evidence to support my opinion.

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So why did my question to understand why you hold that opinion lead to such a spiteful response? Why should I have to use the search function? That will not tell me what the connection between contrails nd conspiracy is for you?

Maybe you didn't understand what was being asked? I went o great pains to explain, you did read that, didn't you?

Originally posted by Phage
Yes, we know you have a closed mind. You don't actually need to point it out.

More about me again? How about Chemtrails?

Phage's World: You don't see it my way, so you now have a closed mind.

LMAO! Good luck with that one buddy. I am sorry that you can't force feed me your opinion. ~$heopleNation

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More about me again?

The entire post (of yours) I was replying to was about me.
And it was you yourself who proudly proclaimed your closed mind.

What about "chemtrails"? You made your point. You have nothing more to learn or offer apparently.

Originally posted by waynos
Maybe you didn't understand what was being asked? I went o great pains to explain, you did read that, didn't you?

I read everything. Maybe it was you who did not understand my answer? Or maybe, just maybe, my answer failed to conform to your position? Yuh think?

You're not upset with me are you? We don't even know eachother. Don't take everything online so seriously because tomorrow is another day. There are millions of people who believe in chemtrails. So why waste so much energy on one person?

You will not sway me. ~$heopleNation

Originally posted by Phage
Maybe.
But I have facts and evidence to support my opinion.

No you don't. All you got is an overbloated ego and a few minion lap dogs barking at me next to your heels. Oh, you took them off your lap once I showed up.

You have provided zERO evidence that proves that Chemtrails do not exist. Your own Scientific approach and policy here has just back fired on you my friend.

I got all night though if that is how you would like to spend it. ~$heopleNation

Originally posted by SheopleNation

Originally posted by wmd_2008
You must have some proof of these large planes

First, Take a deep breath and calm down.

Ok, All the proof that I need is what I have seen with my own eyes. Convincing you or providing you with concrete proof is not my concern, nor is it my job.

Two planes cannot pass through exactly the same airspace COMMON SENSE tells you that

You have no idea what you're talking about. Yes they do, but Air traffic control does their job well. Maybe you have heard of them?

and as contrails depend on temperature , altitude and humidity the conditions around 2 aircraft can be different

Yes they can, but that is far from concrete proof that chemtrails do not exist.

Can you not see that

It is in fact you that cannot see what is happening right above your head my friend. ~$heopleNation

So what you are claiming is that you can look up at an aircraft flying at 25,000 + feet and you know its size

Don't think so!

Two planes cant pass through the same air space here are some of the rules there are others.

In some countries, such as the USA and France aircraft remain separated as shown below:

Flying a magnetic course of 0° - 179°, fly at odd thousands plus 500 feet. For example, 3,500; 5,500; 7,500.
Flying a magnetic course of 180° - 359°, fly at even thousands plus 500 feet. For example, 4,500; 6,500; 8,500

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In the UK, the levels are divided up into four sector

Aircraft have to fly at different heights and keep a horizontal seperation have YOU ever flown

See we can give facts , info and links all you give is look up because YOU have no proof we can all see that

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Well, in order, are you saying that your 100% conviction that you are looking at chemtrails is based on you guessing that "cloud seeding" leaves "some sort of trail"? Hmm, ok, I would want more before I declared myself 100% convinced so I was hoping you had more to say about it, genuinely.

No, I'm not upset with you, maybe disappointed that you couldn't give a fuller answer, but that's all. And I doubt it's millions, lol

Nope, not trying to sway you, I know full well from my years on here that the position of many believers is firmly entrenched. I do however have a genuine interest in wanting to understand that conviction, however much I might disagree based on CURRENT evidence.

Originally posted by wmd_2008
So what you are claiming is that you can look up at an aircraft flying at 25,000 + feet and you know its size

Yeah, as a matter of fact I can. Even when I am not using my binoculars.

You see my friend, I live about 30 and 50 minutes from two bay area International Airports. Both of their eastern bound Aircraft fleet pass over our valley long before reaching cruising altitude. If you understood anything about what you're talking about, you would know that.

Don't think so!

Think again. More like don't know so. Meaning you. ~$heopleNation