I want to be a CHEMTRAIL DEBUNKER

Originally posted by BrainWasher

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

Originally posted by BrainWasher
And there is no REASONABLE evidence that says they're NOT!

Yes there is - given the overwhelming evidence of absence it is perfectly reasonable to conclude they are not.

Unless, of course, you can show proof, by a source other than our government scientist, research, and documents; which have known to be false and altered.

1/ this is called argument from ignorance

no comment on this??

2/ what scientists, research and documents are known to be false and altered?

I notice you also completely failed to acknowledge my point that water from the exhaust acts as cloud condensation nuclei.

What documents are known to be false and altered? The 911 official story.

Oh dear...

Heck, we can't even get the Sandy Hook shooting right.

sigh...

Please, sir, don't be so naive and gullible.

And I would stop being naive and gullible by believing stories invented by people that have no actual evidential basis to them would I??

I don't think so.

But back on topic - nothing to do with chemtrails at all??

reply to post by BrainWasher

Maybe because the same government scientists that say these are contrails also said that fire melts steel.

Really? I didn't know that meteorologists were involved with the 911 report. (I also didn't know any scientists said that fire melts steel.)

science books have been re-written

Well, yes. Because science is about learning new stuff. But the books about contrails haven't really been rewritten. At least not about how and why they form, and persist, and spread. That was all pretty well established in the 1940s and 1950s.

Originally posted by bluestorm
ask and you shall receive...

persistent contrails / geo engineering and agriculture

youtu.be...

www.agriculturedefensecoalition.org...

persistent contrails = less vitamin D for me, less solar power production, less photosynthesis , less crop production, warmer temps!!!

Huge issues!!

Fantasy issues.

You get enough vitamin D from a few minutes outside - the trouble with modern society is we dont' go outside as much any more, nd when we do we cover up.

For some people eth reason they go outside less is this chemtrail hoax - self perpeuating!

And as for photosynthesis, etc - did yuo know that peole are actually measuring teh optical aerosol depth of the atmosphere?? Ie how much aeosol ther is, and how much it affects teh energy faling to earth?

And the results aer pretty amazing - in developed countries where pollution is being adderssed - neutral or negative trends - ie ther are the same or les aerosols in eth air - so actually ther is MORE "sunlight" hitting het ground!

In developing countries that have pollution ther is moer aerosol, and also in places where ther is a lot of dust and sand - eg the Sahara, Arabian peninsula

eg:

Temporal increase of FdAOTs (440 nm) prevails over newly industrializing countries in East Asia (weighted trends; +6.23% yr−1 at Beijing) and active agricultural burning regions in South Africa (+1.89% yr−1 at Mongu). On the other hand, insignificant or negative trends for FdAOTs are detected over Western Europe (+0.25% yr−1 at Avignon and −2.29% yr−1 at Ispra) and North America (−0.52% yr−1 for GSFC and −0.01% yr−1 at MD_Science_Center). Over desert regions, both increase and decrease of CdAOTs (+3.37% yr−1 at Solar_Village and −1.18% yr−1 at Ouagadougou) are observed depending on meteorological conditions.

- abstract

Sorry you have been duped by eth chemtrail hoax industry.

reply to post by totallackey


if that was the case then where are they right now, ive been looking all day to see if im just crazy, but still no planes and a blue sky. They only fly in my neck of the woods if they are persistently contrailing or there is a forest fire, once they fly nine out of ten times we end up with a complete cloud cover within hrs, then the planes are gone, poof, vanished other than one that touches up empty spaces...

reply to post by bluestorm

Try using this site. Find an airport near you and you can see the planes that fly over. It's not exactly real time, but pretty close to it.
flightaware.com...

If there are no planes there will be no contrails. If there are planes there won't be contrails unless the conditions are right.

Oh dear is all you have to say about the 911 official story, and sigh for the sandy hook hoax? Perhaps you don't understand what times we live in. Times of deception! Everything is a secret. What i said has everything to do with contrails because your sources are about as valid as everyone else's. Face it. We don't live in a time of integrity and a code of morality. We live in a "love of money" world. Contrails/chemtrails NO ONE KNOWS FOR CERTAIN. If you're going off of what science has taught you, well then, good luck with that. Science has PROVEN that it's not for our benefit, it's for theirs. Nothing is sacred. Nothing is pure.

reply to post by BrainWasher

Science has PROVEN that it's not for our benefit, it's for theirs. Nothing is sacred. Nothing is pure.

Ok. Have fun in your demon haunted world.

reply to post by BrainWasher


exactly, its alls related, greed, control and deceit. unfathomable really

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by bluestorm

 

Try using this site. Find an airport near you and you can see the planes that fly over. It's not exactly real time, but pretty close to it.
flightaware.com...

If there are no planes there will be no contrails. If there are planes there won't be contrails unless the conditions are right.

edit on 3/4/2013 by Phage because: (no reason given)

Thanks for that link. i went to that site, and checked and there is NOTHING on that itinerary that shows planes flying over my area. I counted 8 planes in about an hour's time span on Saturday, but i don't see not 1 of those planes accounted for, on the site you gave me. Sure, you'll make up all excuses as to why not, but let me tell you why not? Why not is because they don't fly this way much. Oh, and those 8 planes i noted, all had contrails that didn't linger or persist. The lingering and persisting didn't happen until later on in the day, when they sprayed more. I could even see them leaving trails at night. I've seen that quite a few times. Planes don't fly much around these parts of the woods, but when they start their missions (as i like to call them), it's usually 1 after another, and sometimes the planes do it all day long. 2 years ago, during Christmas, i counted 22 planes, going back and forth, back and forth, all throughout the day. If times are so hard, where is everybody going???

Originally posted by BrainWasher


If times are so hard, where is everybody going???

according to phage there are various reasons for planes to "fly in circles", falling under the category of "holding patterns".

LOL

Originally posted by BrainWasher

But back on topic - nothing to do with chemtrails at all??

Oh dear is all you have to say about the 911 official story, and sigh for the sandy hook hoax?

Yes - because this thread is about chemtrail debunking, not about other conspiracies which have plenty of threads of their own.

Or are you sayying "chemtrails because I don't like teh official 9/11 and Sandy Hook stories"??

Perhaps you don't understand what times we live in. Times of deception! Everything is a secret. What i said has everything to do with contrails because your sources are about as valid as everyone else's.

No - mine are better than those that supposedly support he chemtrail hoax - because mine exist, are based on real measurements, and are verifiable if you are prepared to do teh work to do so.

The "sources" for the chemtrail hoax are disinfo, sometimes outright lies, and at best gross misrepresentations of what has been seen or measured.

Face it. We don't live in a time of integrity and a code of morality. We live in a "love of money" world.

Which is why you should take more time to evaluate sourcees - they are NOT all equal.

Contrails/chemtrails NO ONE KNOWS FOR CERTAIN.

I do not know for certain that you actually exist either.

but I have a reasonable cause to think that you do so I am happy to accept that asa working proposition until you prove otherwise!!

And so it is with chemtrails - there is no credible reason to think they exist, and lots of reasons to think they do not exist.

the fact that you ahve to resort to "you can't actually completely prove they do not exist" shows that you actually realise there is no evidence - but for some reason you are unwilling to accept the obvious, logical and reasonable conclusion.

If you're going off of what science has taught you, well then, good luck with that. Science has PROVEN that it's not for our benefit, it's for theirs. Nothing is sacred. Nothing is pure.

so still no actual comment on chemtrails??

And you are reduced to condemning all science - yet here you are writing on the internet using a computer - that is pretty mush science personified in teh 21st century.

that along with clean water, better health, constant food supply, easy transport and access to energy, better living conditions, better working conditions - if you enjoy any of these then science has benefited you in the last 200 or so years.

You seem a little ungrateful!!

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by BrainWasher

 

Science has PROVEN that it's not for our benefit, it's for theirs. Nothing is sacred. Nothing is pure.

Ok. Have fun in your demon haunted world.

Excuse me, Sir, but, is there a reason why you talk down to people??? Is there a reason why you ridicule people? It doesn't make for a healthy debate; and doesn't display your sense of knowledge. It shows a bunch of immaturity, on your behalf. You believe science has benefited us? Yeah, maybe YESTERDAY'S science, but today's science is being run by a group of Dr Jekyll's; a group of mad scientists. I think you forget, the real scientists work for tptb, not you and me. The government's scientists are hand picked and selected. If the government has an agenda, better believe they're gonna recruit the top minds in the world to carry out their plans. They'll convince those brilliant minds, it's for the betterment of mankind, and those brilliant minds will believe them, and do anything the hand that feeds them tells them to do. That's the one thing the contrailers refuse to believe. They refuse to believe tptb would do us wrong. HA!

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

Originally posted by BrainWasher

But back on topic - nothing to do with chemtrails at all??

Oh dear is all you have to say about the 911 official story, and sigh for the sandy hook hoax?

Yes - because this thread is about chemtrail debunking, not about other conspiracies which have plenty of threads of their own.

Or are you sayying "chemtrails because I don't like teh official 9/11 and Sandy Hook stories"??

Perhaps you don't understand what times we live in. Times of deception! Everything is a secret. What i said has everything to do with contrails because your sources are about as valid as everyone else's.

No - mine are better than those that supposedly support he chemtrail hoax - because mine exist, are based on real measurements, and are verifiable if you are prepared to do teh work to do so.

The "sources" for the chemtrail hoax are disinfo, sometimes outright lies, and at best gross misrepresentations of what has been seen or measured.

Face it. We don't live in a time of integrity and a code of morality. We live in a "love of money" world.

Which is why you should take more time to evaluate sourcees - they are NOT all equal.

Contrails/chemtrails NO ONE KNOWS FOR CERTAIN.

I do not know for certain that you actually exist either.

but I have a reasonable cause to think that you do so I am happy to accept that asa working proposition until you prove otherwise!!

And so it is with chemtrails - there is no credible reason to think they exist, and lots of reasons to think they do not exist.

the fact that you ahve to resort to "you can't actually completely prove they do not exist" shows that you actually realise there is no evidence - but for some reason you are unwilling to accept the obvious, logical and reasonable conclusion.

If you're going off of what science has taught you, well then, good luck with that. Science has PROVEN that it's not for our benefit, it's for theirs. Nothing is sacred. Nothing is pure.

so still no actual comment on chemtrails??

And you are reduced to condemning all science - yet here you are writing on the internet using a computer - that is pretty mush science personified in teh 21st century.

that along with clean water, better health, constant food supply, easy transport and access to energy, better living conditions, better working conditions - if you enjoy any of these then science has benefited you in the last 200 or so years.

You seem a little ungrateful!!

edit on 4-3-2013 by Aloysius the Gaul because: (no reason given)

LIES is the conspiracy, my friend. I only brought up 911 and Sandy Hook to emphasize those lies. How anyone could believe anything tptb pass off as truth is astonishing. How you can trust them, after what they've done to ALL OF US, is mind boggling. Maybe if you try to understand the 911 conspiracy, you'll understand the chemtrail conspiracy even better. They're all tied together. Knowledge is power, my friend.

Did you say i've benefitted from science because of clean water, better health, constant food supply??? Do i even need to say how ridiculous that sounds? Science has POLLUTED our water systems. Science has made us sicker; and science has nothing to do with a constant food supply. I don't need science to plant a seed and watch it magically turn into a piece of fruit. Do i? Science doesn't make the sun rise or set either, does it. Really, and honestly, what has science done that man hasn't thought of. Mankind is the reason why we have science.

reply to post by BrainWasher

Excuse me, Sir, but, is there a reason why you talk down to people???

Yes. Yes there is.

It's because at some point, usually when those people run out of rational arguments, all reasonable avenues of discussion vanish and the rants about 911 and evil scientists appear. It so happens that I know a scientist or two, even (gasp) "government" scientists. You know what? They are people and you do worse than talk down to them. A lot worse.

Yeah, maybe YESTERDAY'S science, but today's science is being run by a group of Dr Jekyll's; a group of mad scientists.

You don't know anything about science or scientists.

Originally posted by BrainWasher
LIES is the conspiracy, my friend. I only brought up 911 and Sandy Hook to emphasize those lies. How anyone could believe anything tptb pass off as truth is astonishing. How you can trust them, after what they've done to ALL OF US, is mind boggling. Maybe if you try to understand the 911 conspiracy, you'll understand the chemtrail conspiracy even better. They're all tied together. Knowledge is power, my friend.

So you say.

But you don't actually bring any knowledge to this discussion - just the usual conspiracy asseertions that apparently only you know the truth, etc.

Did you say i've benefitted from science because of clean water, better health, constant food supply??? Do i even need to say how ridiculous that sounds?

you are an idiot.

Or alternatively one of the alphabet agencies is paying you to make conspiracies look stupid.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by BrainWasher

 

Excuse me, Sir, but, is there a reason why you talk down to people???

Yes. Yes there is.

It's because at some point, usually when those people run out of rational arguments, all reasonable avenues of discussion vanish and the rants about 911 and evil scientists appear. It so happens that I know a scientist or two, even (gasp) "government" scientists. You know what? They are people and you do worse than talk down to them. A lot worse.

Yeah, maybe YESTERDAY'S science, but today's science is being run by a group of Dr Jekyll's; a group of mad scientists.

You don't know anything about science or scientists.

I'm not sure how you do what you do; which is, pick apart bits and pieces of someone's statement just so you can twist and distort the point they're trying to make. You attack a person to make your point. I'm not saying anything bad about unsuspecting helpers. Like i said, most scientists are led to believe they're doing a service to better mankind; when in reality, they're only helping tptb fulfill their goals and agendas. I would love to see your scientist friends do something that will benefit mankind. Tell them to hook us up with free energy. Tell them to find a cure for cancer; with the zillions of dollars that has been raised. Give us something besides i-pads and i-pods.

I'm not trying to make this a personal attack. My attack is on government and anyone involved with it's corruption. I'm sure someone is making big bucks from these geoengineering tactics. Greed makes good people do crazy things.

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reply to post by BrainWasher

I'm an idiot???? Isn't this a conspiracy site? Perhaps you've never heard of Monsanto or fluoride. Maybe you don't understand that bees around the world are vanishing. Maybe you don't understand birds are dropping from the sky or that fish are washing up on our shores by the droves. If i'm an idiot...what are you???

Just wondering something here, you do understand that birds die, bees die, and fish die and wash up onto the shore in fact it is usually caused by what is known as red tide but that is for another time.The point your trying to make with these examples really don't relate to chemtrails one bit unless you can prove they are causing all of this, can you prove it?

And you may not want to ask this question again...

If i'm an idiot...what are you???

It doesn't help to prove your point...

reply to post by BrainWasher

At this point, i'm not sure who's side you're on, Us or "them".

And who would Us, or them be if you don't mind me asking?

reply to post by BrainWasher

Excuse me, Sir, but, is there a reason why you talk down to people??? Is there a reason why you ridicule people? It doesn't make for a healthy debate

Why aren't you upset with your friend bluestorm for talking down and ridiculing people?


Example:

Originally posted by bluestorm

Originally posted by BrainWasher


If times are so hard, where is everybody going???

according to phage there are various reasons for planes to "fly in circles", falling under the category of "holding patterns".

LOL