Another one! Beyonce' admits to being demon possessed.

So, anyway.... these stimuli used to be administered at childhood in the form of Extremely graphic depictions of violence, electroshock, painful injections, etcetera...

However, they have evolved over time, with the advent of new technology, and increased understanding of the human mind.... to include various personally crafted stimuli that are supposed to effect only the specific target....

Such as personal fears..... phobias.... etcetera.....

The gradual and subtle implementation of these phobias can EVENTUALLY evoke the same mind state as the previous forms... but obviously are more subtle, and more controllable....

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I didn't miss anything.

Someone posted this way earlier. Already addressed it. Basically she might have created the name, but she did not create the persona. In her own words a presence came into her body. So one way or another she is lying. She's either lying that a presence came into her body or she's lying that she created the persona.

Originally posted by LazarusTsiyr

Originally posted by Enzo954

It's the same type of thing that Beyonce is talking about. The difference is that she's a performer/artist and overly dramatic about what she does.

Sigh. Here we go with this again. I'll say to you what I said to the others. What evidence do you have to back up this claim? How do you know she's just acting? What in her words indicates that it was nothing but a metaphor? What context clues indicate she was not being literal?

Buddy, I'm not here to argue with you. Go ahead and believe that Beyonce is possessed by a demon if you want to. You're not going to change my mind and I'd bet my house that I won't change yours. It's Friday night and I'm going out to have some fun. Enjoy your demon discussions.

Send me a message when Kate Upton becomes possessed by a creature from the underworld. I'd love to see some pics of her in a bikini with horns or whatever other photoshop surfaces. Peace!!

Originally posted by mahatche
Every performer is acting.

Every, huh? Hmm. An absolute statement. I bet you can't back that up at all.

No entertainer gets on stage with the same personality they have off it.

Another absolute statement. I completely challenge that. I'm a performer and I am the same person on and off-stage. And I've never said a presence entered my body

So again I ask where do you get that she was speaking metaphorically? What in her statement in the OP says she was not being literal? What context clues? I love how people keep ignoring those questions.

They aren't really channeling demons, they are just getting into character.

And she didn't say that. She said a presence came into her body.

I make music and a lot of my friends do as well, many of us can be shy off stage, but you'd never know it if a show was your only exposure to them. In person I'm a mellow calm person, but that's not entertaining so I'd have to summon my inner bad ass.

Have you ever described it as a presence entering your body?

Have you ever written a song?

Many. Since I was 15. I'm 33 now.

It's funny to me when I see all you people seeing lyrics like eminem's and you take them literally. It's artistic expressions, we use similes, metaphors, and imagery to convey what we are saying. It's ART!

Not all art is metaphor. You're kidding, right?

I'm not a demon but If I say I feel like a caged demon,

That's a clear simile. I feel "like" a caged demon. That's really different from saying "My soul is possessed by this devil"

Acording to this dude it's very possible to evoke demons or spirits and there's also a differance with being possesed by demons and being obssessed by demons. Both equally dangerous.

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Your cherry picking to fit your argument. She didn't say she crated the name, she literally said she created the alter ego. Why are you still asking people to show you where it looks like she might be talking metaphorically? It's right there.

Originally posted by Foobler
Acording to this dude it's very possible to evoke demons or spirits and there's also a differance with being possesed by demons and being obssessed by demons. Both equally dangerous.

Don't forget obsessed WITH demons, like the OP.

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And she literally said she felt a presence enter into her body. So she's either lying in one of those instances or there's an explanation for both. That she felt that presence enter her body and she created a name to go with it for when it manifests itself.

Why are you still asking people to show you where it looks like she might be talking metaphorically? It's right there.

That's two separate quotes from two separate times. I am curious which one came first. And I keep asking because no one can show where in the quote from the OP that she ever indicated it was a metaphor. You're quote sounds to me like she was doing nothing but backtracking after letting it slip that some presence entered her body.

I'll keep asking that question as long as you all keep claiming it was a metaphor without providing some sort of reference or context clue from that clip which shows she was not speaking literally.

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Originally posted by LazarusTsiyr
reply to post by Observationalist

 

It definitely could be mind control. If it is, though, then they are still manipulating these people to use this symbolism and everything else, to promote their agenda to the masses.

Sure, they need something tangible for the people to identify with, a type of branding if you will.

One of the thing Satan did in the garden was present them with the tangible fruit and the tree. "The tree was beautiful and the fruit looked good to eat." He let them hold it and see that it was good. The tree was the focus the image was the focus, regardless of what the tree really symbolized.

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And who are "they" ? The illuminati? Who or what is it at the top of that pyramid? Who or what is the all seeing eye? The clues are all over this forum, all over this thread, but no one has put all the pieces of the jig- saw together.

"They" fell from their first estate. When you understand who" they" are the machinations of this world will become very clear.

Someone has mentioned Ephesians 6, how about Genises 6 or better still the synoptic book of Enoch.

The elite of this world know who "they" are, Beyonce Giselle Knowles- Carter knows, her husband most definitely knows, Britney Spears found out the hard way and when she found out it nearly destroyed her.

There is only one "I Am", not Sasha or Will or anyone else.

"Before Abraham was I Am", they tried to drag the man who said this outside and kill him because He dared to call Himself GOD, and they eventually succeeded. Why are these people getting away with it? Do you realise what they are calling themselves? Or is it the entity's who's power they are under doing all the talking? They desire to be worshiped and worship is what they get!!

WAKE THE HELL UP!!!

My input on this thread is done, ask no questions told no lies.

Originally posted by LazarusTsiyr
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And she literally said she felt a presence enter into her body.

Holy spirit?

So she's either lying in one of those instances or there's an explanation for both. That she felt that presence enter her body and she created a name to go with it for when it manifests itself.

Or she tends to speak metaphorically.

I'll keep asking that question as long as you all keep claiming it was a metaphor without providing some sort of reference or context clue from that clip which shows she was not speaking literally.

In this vid she claims to "keep Sasha on the stage" implying that it is something she controls.


And in this one she she says she killed Sasha because it is really all her. When asked about a new persona she says "I think Sasha Fierce is a part of me. That is why the name of the Album is I am Sasha Fierce because it is all the same. She lives within. My alter ego, you know, everybody has one".

Originally posted by daskakik

Holy spirit?

Nope. Our Holy God would not inspire those Satanic performances. Nor would He embrace her lewd behavior and clothes.

As the Bible says, "A tree is recognized by its fruit."

Or she tends to speak metaphorically.

Yet you still have nothing to base this on other than your own bias that demons don't exist.

In this vid she claims to "keep Sasha on the stage" implying that it is something she controls.

Maybe she does have some control. Either that or she is acknowledging that Sasha comes out when she is on stage.

Oh and in that video she said she named her alter ego. Just like I said a few posts ago.

Furthermore she says she "tries" to keep Sasha on stage. And then she backtracks and says she absolutely does.

And in this one she she says she killed Sasha because it is really all her. When asked about a new persona she says "I think Sasha Fierce is a part of me. That is why the name of the Album is I am Sasha Fierce because it is all the same. She lives within. My alter ego, you know, everybody has one".

Yep. Lives within her. And no not everybody has an alter ego. But nice to see her trying to justify it. Even if we did have an alter ego, would we say it lives within us? We would we describe it as a presence entering our bodies? I know I wouldn't.

Sorry. You still got nothing. Go ahead and keep scouring YouTube and Google for more videos trying to prove your point, but to no avail.

Why don't you admit that this entire "debate" here is a total sham.

Your replies and "sighs" when you encounter an opposite opinion is proof enough.
All what you want to achieve is spread your belief, under the guise of "discussion" on a public message board.

It's sad to see how some people still try to bother with rational replies, knowing that ANY attempt on their side (or any input of a non religious person) in this thread is futile from the beginning.

It's a "pseudo discussion" and nothing but annoying, religious preaching. It's entirely pointless and a total waste of effing time.

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I've seen people filled with the holy spirit do some things that Christians of calmer denominations would consider inappropriate.

She uses phrases like "I killed her" and "she lives within" in the same breath. How can something be alive anywhere if she killed it? It can't, if you are speaking literally, so logically she isn't.

If this is an indication of how she speaks, then it would not be a stretch to say she is speaking metaphorically in other instances.

If you don't see it then it is because you don't want to.

Originally posted by daskakik
reply to post by LazarusTsiyr

 

She uses phrases like "I killed her" and "she lives within" in the same breath. How can something be alive anywhere if she killed it? It can't, if you are speaking literally, so logically she isn't.

Or she is contradicting herself by trying to backtrack away from exposing the demon inside of her.

If you don't see it then it is because you don't want to.

Or it's because your statement is a false dichotomy. You are trying to pretend there are only two explanations which is false.

By the way I thought you said long ago you were done with this thread. Yet here you are back again

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That was your other thread.

I'm done here as well, you don't really want a discussion.

Originally posted by LazarusTsiyr

Originally posted by mahatche
Every performer is acting.

Every, huh? Hmm. An absolute statement. I bet you can't back that up at all.

Yes every performance has an act at one point or another to whatever extent it may be. If I get on stage and do a sad song, but I'm not feeling sad that day, I have to pull that feeling up to make it work. I have to rehearse that song to make sure I can capture that feeling on demand. It's an act.

Since you are so fond of literal interpretations. Here is a definition of performance.

A performance, in performing arts, generally comprises an event in which a performer or group of performers behave in a particular way for another group of people, the audience.

Another absolute statement. I completely challenge that. I'm a performer and I am the same person on and off-stage. And I've never said a presence entered my body

Maybe you act the same way cause you are a demon 24/7, while beyonce only has a temporary on stage demon?

You've never said a phrase like "I don't know what came over me" in any situation? it's the same thing.

And even if you don't, as a musician you don't know anyone who has different personalities on stage than in person? I find that extremely hard to believe.

So again I ask where do you get that she was speaking metaphorically? What in her statement in the OP says she was not being literal? What context clues? I love how people keep ignoring those questions.

I haven't ignored anything I just joined the conversation. The clue is statements like "Sansha Fierce is kinda my alter ego ON STAGE" or even better "It's a personality I CREATED on stage when I preform". You yourself in your OP said she admits to being a shy person, I'm saying she has an ON STAGE alter ego to get over that shyness as many singers do, she says she has an onstage alter ego, you say nope demon is the only possibility.

Sorry but Alter ego requires much less of a jump than demon especially as a person who is around musicians all the time.

Many. Since I was 15. I'm 33 now.

This makes your view that much more sad to me. a writer denying another writer their artistic expression.

Not all art is metaphor. You're kidding, right?

This explains it all, you have poor comprehension and see what you want to see. I say we use metaphor similes and imagry and you see "all art is a metaphor", no wonder you cant understand what these people are saying.

That's a clear simile. I feel "like" a caged demon. That's really different from saying "My soul is possessed by this devil"

and yet artists say their soul is possessed my the devil and don't mean it all the time. because....they are artists....making art. using one of the many tools...of art. Again I'm not a christian but I use christian imagry because it gives people something they understand. I might say I have a crown of thorns, I don't literally have a crown of thorns, but it gives you an image you'll understand. I might say I've been whipped, while I never have you understand the imagery. When Johnny Cash says "I was born int he soul of misery" he isn't really born in the soul of misery! He doesn't play 21 with the devil, The list of lives he's broken don't literally reach from here to hell. but it gives you an image you understand.

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You say this like it's a surprise If you had bothered to read the OP it would have eliminated the confusion

I said in the OP (and numerous times throughout this entire thread) that this thread was for those who are interested in the topic.

I also have acknowledged that naysayers would pop up. But when I have to refute the same arguments over and over again it gets old and boring and tends to wear on my patience.

So yeah I wasn't that interested in a debate on the topic. I'll take it if I have to but that was not the intention for this thread.

Not sure why you are trying to act all innocent and call it a "discussion" but whatever.

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Then don't bother to post on here, you obviously aren't interested in the subject other than to debate, which is not what the OP intended for the thread.

OP, good job and way to stick in there. I read the entire thing untill this afternoon and I just got back on to see what's happened and now it's gotten out of control. Gotta hate it when your spending all your time adressing the same things over and over because people don't read the entire thread...