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reply to post by Superhans


There is the Intelligent Design Theory.

Then there is the Intelligent Design Books created by Evangelists.

So be specific to what you are talking about.

Split Infinity

Originally posted by SplitInfinity
reply to post by Superhans

 

So just to get this straight....you KNOW Evolution to be a fact....or you do not believe that fact?

I kind of believe in it, I have my disagreements with it that is an issue for another thread.

By the way...Evangelist? LOL! I can honestly say///no one has ever called me that. LOL!

Split Infinity

Used it in a loose sense, as in you just want to preach on a soap box instead of read and respond.

reply to post by Superhans


They are completely different in terms of what they're explaining.

Aquatic ape theory is about the mechanism by which certain changes happened to the human ancestral lineage. It is a modular concept which can be applied or ignored to evolution without much change.

Intelligent design is about the origin of all life and is packaged as part of a larger theory which must first be accepted before intelligent design can be accepted, and vice versa.

Comparing AAT and ID is a false comparison, they are different in their nature. AAT seeks to explain a process we can see happening, i.e. evolution. ID seeks to explain a process which we have no evidence for. You can remove AAT from evolution with no consequence, you cannot remove ID from religious origins without consequence.

Originally posted by SplitInfinity
reply to post by Superhans

 

There is the Intelligent Design Theory.

Then there is the Intelligent Design Books created by Evangelists.

So be specific to what you are talking about.

Split Infinity

There are also different schools of evolution and im not placing the same burden on you, so its best to just drop it.

reply to post by Dispo


Im just saying there is no evidence supporting either and that is where they overlap. ID explains but cannot prove and AAT explains and cannot prove.

Originally posted by Superhans

Originally posted by Dispo
reply to post by Superhans

 

Fair enough then, but I don't see how that applies to the aquatic ape theory.

We kind of went off on a tangent there, but
there is no evidence for the Aqua ape
there is no evidence for ID
One is dismissed as religious crazy talk
one is considered credible despite having no evidence to back it up.

I think I get what you're saying and I concur. People choose top be skeptical based on personal preference and often using a double standard.

We are all guilty.

Myself, I pretty much am skeptical about everything but have things I believe. For example I believe in Evolution and think Creationism is Medieval bunk- But like everything, I really have no clue and either could be right... Hell, for all I know this whole life I am having could be a dream and I am really an Interdiminsional Alien being and when I wake up I will realize that you all were just figments of my imagination as I slept...In fact, I am pretty sure that's the case. =)

I try to keep an open mind and pursue things I find interesting even if I honestly dont think they are "real"- The Hollow Earth with sprawling cities and cavernous ruins being one of my favorites- I am pretty confident it isnt true- But like everything else, it could be... Its all odds and statistics and I know so little (that goes for us all) that nothing is 100% certain. I think 99.9999% is about the best we can hope for concerning anything.

Originally posted by Dispo
The point of this thread is that we are waiting on evidence in support of the aquatic ape theory.

After learning that all of the "missing links" were actually complete fabrications, I'm not going to hold my breath.

"...the Aquatic Ape story goes like this: Billions of years ago a bunch of monkeys lived under the sea. Then one day, one of them gave birth to a human baby. Soon after, all the sea-monkeys began giving birth to human babies. Eventually, there were only humans living under the sea. Then the sea-humans decided to live on the land, so they did just that. Many years latter, one of these now land-living sea-humans gave birth to a baby who was named Charles Darwin. And they lived happily ever after."

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reply to post by Superhans


Preach!!?? LOL!

I ONLY post the reality of things or if I am talking about possibilities I will say so.

If it something that others think is but fantasy and I KNOW through my sometimes...JOB...to be a REALITY...I will state this as well.

To Preach infers I am trying to make people believe in a TRUTH. I do not talk about TRUTHS...I talk about FACTS.

There is a BIG difference.

Split Infinity

reply to post by SplitInfinity


Alright, its clear you just want to get on your soapbox and not talk about this. Its cool bro, just find someone else to do it with. Im done with you

reply to post by Superhans


It's a subtle difference, but it is there.

Evolution is a theory, natural selection is a fact. We can see it happening in our lifetimes, we can observe the fossil record over hundreds of thousands of years to see it happening. AAT is a modular concept which can explain certain aspects of our phenotype through natural selection. It is an experimental part of a fact.

God is a theory, the creation of earth by God is a theory, We cannot see God creating the Earth. ID is a concept that must be true if we accept God, similarly, God is a concept which must be true if we accept ID.

reply to post by Superhans


Look...just to clear this up....when you are speaking of Intelligent Design...are you talking about a GOD using the various natural methods to create the Universe and all in it....or that a GOD has designed the Universe and all in it without using various natural processes such as Evolution?

Or are you talking about what is written in those Intelligent Design Books which is basically Scientific Bull and is basically a KNOWN LIE?

To know this would allow all of us to understand where you are coming from.

Split Infinity

reply to post by Murgatroid


Your source gave me brain cancer.

Here is Hardy's original theory.
web.archive.org...://www.riverapes.com/AAH/Hardy/Hardy1960.pdf

Bad link, copy and paste this, remove spaces:
h ttp://web. archive.org/web/20090326175059/ htt p://w ww.riverapes.co m/AAH/Hardy/Hardy1960.pdf

Basically, man lived on the coast, man spent more time in the sea to forage for food.

The more bipedal the individual, the easier it was to eat in the sea, as he could stand and use his hands to eat rather than swimming back to shore and eating there, freeing up mating time, increasing his chance of reproduction and therefore bipedal allele frequency.

The larger the lung capacity of the individual, the longer he could dive for food, the easier it was to find food, the more time he had for reproduction which increased larger lung capacity allele frequency.

The more subcutaneous fat a man possesses the longer (and further out) he could go in the sea, increasing his food gathering capacity, giving him more time for reproduction which increased subcutaneous fat allele frequency and so on and so forth.

Give it a read if you want to understand the theory.

reply to post by Superhans


There is only One School of Evolution.

That Being...the process of Quantum Evolution being responsible for the creation of the Universal Reality and all celestial constructs and Space/Time Geometry...as well as responsible for GENESIS.

And Biological Evolution which is Natural Selection, Genetic Mutation and Survival of the Fittest being responsible for the creation of all life as well as all DNA based Non-Life Forms...which as example is a VIRUS...as a VIRUS has DNA but is NOT ALIVE.

This is the ONLY School of Evolutionary Thought.

Split Infinity

Originally posted by Superhans
reply to post by SplitInfinity

 

Alright, its clear you just want to get on your soapbox and not talk about this. Its cool bro, just find someone else to do it with. Im done with you

Unbelievable!

So let me get this straight....someone asks you a few simple and direct questions and you cut and run as well as make the excuse that person is preaching?

I respect the right of others to believe as they will. I have ZERO respect for a person who will not back up what they state whether I agree or not...just because others might not agree. You disapoint me as you seem bright enough yet instead of debating...you make it personal when the questions do not appeal to you.

Too bad.

Split Infinity

Originally posted by Dispo
reply to post by Superhans

 

God is a theory, the creation of earth by God is a theory, We cannot see God creating the Earth. ID is a concept that must be true if we accept God, similarly, God is a concept which must be true if we accept ID.

Eh, to put god as a "theory" is putting it a little high, its more of a wish. But that is just me. But all of this is greatly determined on your idea of "god". ID just asserts that there is some intelligence in the evolution theory. This intelligence could be some lower intelligence in the cells themselves or their parts.
By just writing it all off as a god theory can really distort it. So ID can be digested absent of God.

reply to post by Superhans


I think I'm not understanding ID to mean the same thing as you are.

Basically, ID to me means God made living stuff, as opposed to the current primordial ooze theory. What do you mean by ID?

reply to post by Dispo


Dude...Evolution...or at least Biological Evolution is no longer a theory as it has been Genetically Proven.

If you want me to explain in depth I will...but the DNA and RNA does not lie.

Split Infinity

My Girl has my...Friend...on the line.

Give me a few minutes and I will tell you what I can.

Split Infinity

reply to post by SplitInfinity


No, there is strong supporting evidence.

Theories can never really be proven, only disproven. They take proven facts, such as natural selection, and attempt to make sense of how they work, why they work etc.

Originally posted by Dispo
reply to post by Superhans

 

I think I'm not understanding ID to mean the same thing as you are.

Basically, ID to me means God made living stuff, as opposed to the current primordial ooze theory. What do you mean by ID?

That the way plants and animals have played out is a product of some degree of intelligence and that plays a role in the change of the organism. Where that intelligence comes from and if it exists, I don't know. Like I have said im not a strong supporter of the theory just have a concept of what it is without all the "OMG ITS A RELIGION THEORY" stuff. And as far as I know the jury is still out on what the deal with Abiogenesis is.
I don't really like to commit to any of this stuff as the bills are still due on the 15th and no evolution or god evidence will change that. Its still 2013 and we are really not even going along with Darwinism any more but have shifted to Neo-Darwinism for the most part and in 50 years there will be more evidence which contradicts old evidence and gives birth to new theories, so take it all with a grain of salt.