Police agencies in the United States to begin using drones in 90 days

reply to post by Hecate666


Its not about surviving its about giving law enforcement better tools to do their job. If some kid is abducted from a park and a number of people give a vehicle description what are those officers on foot going to do?

Wouldn't you want drones up covering all the roads to spot this car within minutes and possibly save the childs life?

And if some police force actually thinks I'm interesting enough to warrant them spending man hours watching me I'd consider that a compliment although I imagine the controllers would fall asleep rather quickly.

I asked a police officer what he thinks about hiding to catch speeders and he just shrugged and said, "Well the only ones really concerned about us hiding are the people that are doing something illegal."

Kinda goes to your point about people being paranoid about drones. Probably only those that are up to something are going to be the once concerned with it. Considering there are over 300 million people in the country that is alot of extra officers they are going to have to hire to spy on every single one of them.

If they fly over my winnebago they'll get this:

reply to post by Hecate666


You can sensationalise all you want. A radical and paranoid reaction to the development of technology is disappointing, but not surprising.

We both know that surveillance acts as a deterrent, as it increases the likelihood of detection and subsequent punishment. Does that mean I want a camera in my bathtub? Of course not, don't be silly. If you want to take debates to the Nth degree then be my guest but you will find yourself with an audience of none.

In a hundred years, even fifty years, every citizen may own their own drone. Society has been around for long enough to know to adapt to these things.

It is a shame that you choose to see all the negative applications and not the positive.

Originally posted by Hopechest
Wouldn't everyone agree that if there is a kid missing in the woods that it would be nice to send up a bunch of drones to find them?

How about if a child is abducted and you can quickly get drones out on the roads to look for the vehicle description?

As long as their use is properly regulated I'm seeing many advantages to having them.

Use properly regulated is the whole thing. It sounds nice on paper but in reality? Finding your elders with a microchip inplant sounds like a good idea right, if used properly.. We all know the road that leads to.


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Originally posted by Hopechest
reply to post by Hecate666

 

I asked a police officer what he thinks about hiding to catch speeders and he just shrugged and said, "Well the only ones really concerned about us hiding are the people that are doing something illegal."

well then, i say we install cameras IN YOUR HOUSE FIRST and since you are not doing anything wrong, you shouldnt care.

and dont think that wont happen, give em time and they WILL want to put them in our homes.
just think of all the tax cheats, kiddy diddlers, meth labs, pot growers they could catch!
wouldnt that make for a utopian society hopechest?

edit on 27-2-2013 by lonewolf10 because: well i screwed that up

Originally posted by Hopechest

Originally posted by LazarusTsiyr
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Do you really think all of this will happen:

Yep I absolutely agree that an independent organization or watchdog group is vital to beginning the incorporation of drones into law enforcement.

It should be made public also so that we the people can have oversight of them also.

Absolutely, if the people demand it we can make it happen.

People have quite a loud voice when they want to be heard.

Had to lmao at this post. Since when has the government gave sh!+ about what the people want? They do what they want, whether we like it or not.

I can't see anything on here for all these damned straw men...
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reply to post by GermanShep


Exactly !! "Chip 'em all, that will solve all of our problems".
"Send out the drones so we can watch their every move to keep the peace."


Me thinks there may be a whole new generation of people might need to read:

"1984"
- George Orwell - "Big Brother is Watching You"

Firearms makers will create drone killer weapons and ammunition. Governments will pass laws that certain drones can trespass. Laws will be made to prohibit ownership of said firearms. Drone jammer market will arise. Drone jamming laws will be passed. And on...

It's a mad world.

Originally posted by ComeFindMe
there is no conceivable reason why crime or deviance would be reduced.

And there's no indicator that constant surveillance reduces crime rates either.

reply to post by Hecate666


Hecate, you deserve at least one applause for that comment!! Where are all the mods at? At least one of yall applause Hecate for that! Please!!

I at least give you a thumbs up!

Originally posted by bengger
This is the beginning of all and the end of the few. We will enter an awakening where we will see how we have been so used and are so gullible. We need to be able to help one another as individuals and to know who has been using us all these years. I don't mean to sound so ominous but know is the time where we need to be silent and feel what is going on, if we question anything just ask and feel a response. We are not fully aware or in tune but need to learn to feel things around us. All we need to do ask ask and feel and we are guided, feel from the heart and realize in the mind, this is what is referred to as becoming aware.

We need to help one another, love one another and distrust authority over us.

best post of the thread.. yep all too many are playing the divde and cnquer game their slave masters gave them... it's like watching lemmings and or puppets

Originally posted by Hopechest

And if some police force actually thinks I'm interesting enough to warrant them spending man hours watching me I'd consider that a compliment although I imagine the controllers would fall asleep rather quickly.

It isn't about you! Can you be so arrogant? It's about abuse of power.

Just imagine if they had drone technology in the 60s and 70s! MLK, Malcolm X, John Lennon, Abbie Hoffman, the Black Panthers, etc. etc. All of them would be illegally spied on by these drones.

Anyone that they had federal files on for no reason other than their political ideology!

I asked a police officer what he thinks about hiding to catch speeders and he just shrugged and said, "Well the only ones really concerned about us hiding are the people that are doing something illegal."

Typical b.s. cop propaganda. No that's not the only ones who are concerned. Those who are concerned with personal freedom and privacy. Those who don't want to be persecuted for their political ideologies. Newsflash: Not all political ideologies that oppose the state are violent or evil. Tell that to said police officer!

Just because your life is boring and drones will garner nothing from watching you water your garden or wash your car or play with your kids in the backyard, doesn't mean it won't be abused to identify "dissidents" and rendition them out of the country.

Kinda goes to your point about people being paranoid about drones.

And we should be. Just like you are so trusting of the government doing the right thing, when we constantly see them abusing their power.

Probably only those that are up to something are going to be the once concerned with it.

Wrong. Already debunked that point. Stop repeating yourself, especially in the same post.

reply to post by LazarusTsiyr


That may be - I think it can be called inconclusive at best - but what about the other benefits of surveillance? The additional evidence this would provide, so that even if a crime is committed there is a higher likelihood of prosecution based on physical evidence? If all the politicians, police, authorities are full of sh*t and are out to get us, surely having another more reliable source of physical evidence would help combat that?

Originally posted by ComeFindMe
reply to post by LazarusTsiyr

 

That may be - I think it can be called inconclusive at best - but what about the other benefits of surveillance? The additional evidence this would provide, so that even if a crime is committed there is a higher likelihood of prosecution based on physical evidence?

And that's the problem. You think the end justifies the means. Wrong.

If all the politicians, police, authorities are full of sh*t and are out to get us,

Strawman. I never said they all were. But I don't trust them because it's hard to tell who is trustworthy and who isn't. It's not worth it

reply to post by LazarusTsiyr


By end, I trust you mean that I think an additional type of surveillance would be a benefit to society? What do you suggest are the 'means' in this context? I'm not one for putting words in someone's mouth so for clarity, could you confirm that?

Also, it is clear from a number of posters on this thread that one main issue in this debate is that the facilitators of drones i.e. the government cannot be trusted. I never said that you said this or that I think this and I am trying to contribute to the overall debate. It is not a strawman - it is simply an accurate reflection of the sentiments of many of the posters here.

Originally posted by ComeFindMe
What do you suggest are the 'means' in this context?

The means is the use of drones as an invasion of privacy used to gather info on "political dissidents" like the FBI did with many figures over the past 100 years.

It is not a strawman - it is simply an accurate reflection of the sentiments of many of the posters here.

It was in direct response to me, therefore it was a strawman because I never said any such thing.

smoke and mirrors all of it..
We have corrupt politicins in our town involved in child trafficking and they spend money on DRONES?
come on.. it's easy to see why this is.


If the ptbs actually gave a **** they would stop all thepedophiles and child traficking but they don't.WHY because they are playing a GEORGE ORWELL game..

1984 is already here.. and if you thinkyour govt gives a ****.. ask someone who id disabled..w e will cure you of your illusions

divde and conquer.. everything can be brought down to this

Yes, how many times must the drone aircraft fly
Before they're forever banned ?
Yes, how many years can some people exist
Before they're allowed to be free ?
The answer my friend is blowin' in the wind
The answer is blowin' in the wind.

The definition of freedom varies person to person. That's our world.