'Bullingdon Club Member' DID Burn £50 In Front Of A Tramp, Student Alleges

Originally posted by paraphi
Why are people so vexed that young men and women have fun. To the OP, it may have been bad taste to burn 50 quid in front of a homeless person, but other people may have beaten him up or thrown a brick through the local off licence or pub window instead of trashing a posh resturant.

Why are people so astonished because some irresponsible rich kids do these things? Why do people selectively miss out that other people do things like this?

Regards

This post makes no sense whatsoever. What exactly are you trying to say? Are you trying to say we shouldn't talk about these rich bullies because other crimes go on elsewhere? Are you serious? The point of the OP is that these people are overpriveledged rich bullies rubbing their wealth in the faces of homeless people. It's particularly cruel.

I've just re-read your post and I still don't know what the Hell you're talking about.

First of all the law states that you cannot deface currency, if your intent is to commit fraud.

However, this is not a matter of law, but of decency. There are those who see this act as a foolish act of youth, no different to scrumping apples, or playing knock down ginger. Some think that a young person from a different social strata, would have kicked hell out of a tramp for the same sense of fun.

I cannot speak for other people, but the truth of the matter is, that I am from a much lower part of the social spectrum than these entitled fellows, and have never been involved with the baiting of tramps, the playing of practical jokes, willful destruction of property, or indeed any other thing usually associated with the error of youth.

I certainly would never have even considered, at the age where these gentlemen were attending university, to have abused either the physical well being, or indeed the psycholigical state of a homeless person. In fact, at that age, I was such a homeless person. Despite having no home, I was holding down a job in a frozen food retail store at that time, and used a portion of my meagre pay, to buy some of the other homeless in town a Burger King, or McDonalds. I understood that this put me at some ammount of risk, because I knew that some of the other dispossessed in my town were on drugs, and heavy drink.

I did what I did then, because I felt it had to be done, because the weather was cold, and stomachs were empty, and I had the means to fill them. I did what I did because I was human enough to see the need, and act on it to the best of my ability.

What I cannot fathom, is how it can be that a group of individuals who have vast financial resources, can cast away all sense of morality do such a hateful thing to someone. What further disturbs me, is how anyone who HAS been involved in such an activity, can think themselves fit to hold public office, when people of lesser social standing see fit to assist those worse off than themselves, rather than harrass them.

From the report, it seems to be related to a more recent event, therefore not involving the members of parliament who are currently in the position of presiding over the slow collapse of my country. However if this initiation ceremony has been a standing fixture for as long as the club has been active, it raises the possibility that some of the most powerful men in the country have partaken of it. For that reason, it does concern me that members of the Bullingdon Club have ended up in power here.

One may see nothing wrong in what they did, excuse the behaviour of the Bullingdon Club as the whimsy of youth, but I cannot agree. Youth is not an excuse for inhumanity. Being young does not explain the desire to flaunt ones position, to wave ones affluence in the face of people in desperate poverty in such a callous manner.

I wish I could say I was suprised. But I am full of indignation and disgust.

Everyone keeps going on about the "toffs" who are now running the country, whilst completely forgetting the last bunch of "toffs" who in pursuit of social engineering completely wrecked out economy...

And as someone else pointed out, the £50 note didn't belong to the homeless person to start with, he wouldn't have known anything about it until it was set fire in front of him. Now if they were stealing the guy's change and throwing it away, or taunting him by saying "here do you want £50...nah think I'll burn it instead" then that would be shocking but at the end of the day, it's just a bunch of silly students causing themselves more harm, and lets face it, silly students have been doing silly things for a long time and whilst they might not end up in Government, they usually do end up with responsible, well paid jobs, yet no one bats an eye.

This mainly comes down to other people hating those that are born into wealth, yes when they behave like that it's irksome, but hardly crime of the century and where I live in Scotland, it's far more likely to be a bunch of yobs beating up a homeless person, just for a laugh.

Hard to say who I'm more disgusted with - the idiots who did this or the people in this thread defending them and making excuses for them.

Just remember - these fine, upstanding young men are the politicians, police chiefs and judges who'll be in power in a few years; is this who you want to empower with those positions?? People who almost literally look down and spit on those they view as lower than them??

Think about that.

reply to post by Nyteskye


If they'd pissed on the guy I might see your point, but I think you're being overly sensitive, disgusting is an adjective I would reserve for the scenario I have just presented, not deciding to burn their own money And as for the fine, upstanding people you talk about, I cannot think of one politician, from any of the political parties in the UK who have ascended to that level without the power going to their heads and then acting in their own interests, and as such their behaviour at university is really a moot point.

reply to post by destination now

And as someone else pointed out, the £50 note didn't belong to the homeless person to start with, he wouldn't have known anything about it until it was set fire in front of him. Now if they were stealing the guy's change and throwing it away, or taunting him by saying "here do you want £50...nah think I'll burn it instead" then that would be shocking but at the end of the day, it's just a bunch of silly students causing themselves more harm, and lets face it, silly students have been doing silly things for a long time and whilst they might not end up in Government, they usually do end up with responsible, well paid jobs, yet no one bats an eye.

Yeah... like flying food out to Ethiopia in the 1980s and silently flushing it down the toilet in front of the starving masses would have been a bit of harmless fun. After all, its not their food to begin with and its not like we would steal it from them or taunt them. Just a jolly good laugh to see the agony on their faces as that which they are desperately short of is destroyed in front of them by those who have it in abundance!




** for those who don’t realise it, I’m being sarcastic**

reply to post by Knobby


Bullingdon Club members worships Bullying and the Art of Bull#... That's why career politicians and sociopaths are so drawn to it. Whether the note burning is true or not doesn't change this fact.

Originally posted by PrivateSi
reply to post by Knobby

 

Bullingdon Club members worship Bullying and The Art of Bulls**t... That's why career politicians and sociopaths are so drawn to it. Whether the note burning is true or not doesn't change this fact.

Originally posted by ANOK
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Why are you making excuses for this behavior?

It might be young people having "fun", but the point is the attitude behind their "fun".

A normal person would not find burning £50 in front of a homeless person "fun". A normal person would find that a callous show of wealth, and complete lack of respect, and understanding of people less fortunate than themselves.

That callous attitude will stay with them when they are in positions of authority.

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No, normal people will just hurl abuse, take the piss out of, or piss on, or through coins at said Tramp instead, or one of many other things people do to the down and outs, especially young men out on the beer.

When I was a lad, out on the town, it was quite a regular occurrence to try and beat the local tramp to the punch and ask him for change, despite obviously having plenty ourselves, which I am sure made him feel quite horrible as a person. Or just point blank deny you have any money, lying right to his face and scoffing down the last of your kebab.

Looking back on it, I do regret things I did as youngster, but that's life. Young males especially are literally incapable of realising about consequences of their actions until they are about 21-22.

I think the lot of you are just hypocrites for expecting that Politicians should be whiter than white - it is precisely because of this attitude they feel the need to lie and squirm instead of being honest. I wouldn't want to speak my mind if every time I did, some sanctimonious choir of idiots piped up to tell me how much a scumbag I am.

Originally posted by Nyteskye
Hard to say who I'm more disgusted with - the idiots who did this or the people in this thread defending them and making excuses for them.

Just remember - these fine, upstanding young men are the politicians, police chiefs and judges who'll be in power in a few years; is this who you want to empower with those positions?? People who almost literally look down and spit on those they view as lower than them??

Everybody does that, no matter their background and sometimes without even thinking about it. Are you seriously suggesting that you (and the others in this thread so horrified by this) have never done anything remotely like it, or worse?

If so, then my God you must have led one boring and sheltered little existence, but I suspect you have done things like this, or worse but merely hold others up to a higher moral standard than you would expect to be held up to yourself, which in my opinion is more disgusting a behaviour than burning a Fifty in front of a tramp.

Originally posted by Nyteskye
Think about that.

I think you need to think and get some bloody perspective.

reply to post by destination now


You obviously didn't think too hard about it. I give you...

Dennis Skinner

He often tells of turning up for work at his colliery after he had been elected as an MP, refusing to see this as his new occupation. This is the reason Skinner gives for refusing to miss any sitting in the House of Commons, saying that "if you missed a shift at the pit, you would get the sack".

He also refuses to adopt the pairing system in which he can agree a mutual abstention with a Conservative MP, saying he won't cover for them whilst they "go swanning off to Ascot or to their boardrooms".

In the 2004–2005 sitting of the House he claimed the least expenses for an MP who served the full year.

He has never been a member of an All-Party Parliamentary Group; does not eat alongside parliamentary colleagues in the Commons dining room; does not take trips or holidays 'paid for' by others; never drinks in the Commons Bar; and stays in the House of Commons during the Queen's Speech at the State Opening of Parliament, as he advocates outright abolition of the House of Lords.

As well as sticking to his principals for all these years, he's quite entertaining once you let him off the leash.

The point you are missing is that this is premeditated initiation into a club that shows a total disregard for some of the most vulnerable in society. Like I've already said, three of these people now hold the most important positions in the UK.

He may have had his faults, but could you really see the late John Smith acting in such a way...there you go, another decent politician for you.

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It's really not the same thing and I think you know that...People who make donations to the starving in Africa spend their money as they see fit, and lets face it, most of that money goes to the dictatorships that serve as government in these countries, I wonder how the starving people feel about the money that you and I send to them being used to buy luxury cars!

At the end of the day, it is their money to do what they want with, they didn't take it from the person, simply set it on fire in front of them, yes, a bit daft, but hardly the epitome of evil

reply to post by Knobby


Dennis Skinner is a Labour politician...therefore not currently running the country, so I'm not quite sure of your point

Of course no Labour politicians have ever done anything wrong /sarcasm.

reply to post by destination now


Maybe because he stuck to his principles is the reason he never achieved any greater power.

And if you can give examples of other parties members indescretions, then feel free. It doesn't have to apply to one party.

reply to post by Knobby


Adding to my previous post..apologies, I have an eye infection and have just put drops in so vision is a bit blurry

Yes, there are a few upstanding Labour politicians and yes the late John Smith was one of them, his was an untimely death, which unfortunately put Tony Blair in the leadership...biggest disaster for the Labour party ever. However, equally there are a few upstanding Conservative politicians, in fact there are an equal number of Conservative MP's who haven't claimed expenses as Labour ones, only the Lib Dems fall down on that with only one of their number not claiming.

So, when all is said and done, they are equally as bad as each other..

And as you mentioned Dennis Skinner, I feel I also have to mention Arthur Scargill, Okay not a politician but a man who lived the life of luxury while all of the members of his union starved, just because he wanted to prove a point, he was the one who wrecked the mining industry in the UK, not Maggie...I know others will disagree, but it is a fact. Many mines that were not earmarked for closure had to be shut down because the damage done to them whilst the miners were on strike was un-fixable by the time they went back to work, with flooding and collapse, so they became financially unviable

Young people do silly things all the time.

But that completely misses the point of this thread.

This burning of the £50 note is part of the 'initiation', it is to prove you are able to do something and show no EMPATHY.

One thing leading politicians like Cameron, Obama, Clinton and Osbourne etc have in common is they all have no empathy. When you order drone strikes or bombing raids killing thousands of children, you have to have no empathy to be able to speak to the public and justify the evil you support.

Bullingdon, Skull and Bones, that is where the politicians come from and there is a reason they do things like burning money in front of homeless people, to prove to their masters they lack humanity.

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it is indicative of the disdain the rich have towards those they have made poor.I am deeply involved in keeping up with the debalce towards the disabled there. Hitler could not have done it better than Cameron.
The evil of Alec going over there

tRUTH IS this... we who have disabilities know that what was done in the name of reform in the eighties and nineties was simply testing the American people for reaction.. so they could trot out their more hefty Orwellian plans in the UK where the folks were w small number.. I knew 20 years ago without the INTERNET that folks wh were disabled would be scarificed like this. Knew it , know it and will be willing to wager on it.. IF we live through it

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What a load of paranoid nonsense...I know a large number of people with disabilities and there have been a great number of reforms in the last 20 years that have improved things, the Disability Discrimination Act for one.

And your comments comparing Cameron to Hitler are just stupid...you are aware that David Cameron had a disabled son?

reply to post by destination now


darlin I don't need to know what you do or who you are. Cause your derogatory words , their meaning and their attack stance .. tell me all I need to know..
Maybe someoday you'll get tired for working for monsters

Originally posted by destination now
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What a load of paranoid nonsense...I know a large number of people with disabilities and there have been a great number of reforms in the last 20 years that have improved things, the Disability Discrimination Act for one.

And your comments comparing Cameron to Hitler are just stupid...you are aware that David Cameron had a disabled son?

Just for clarification purposes.. 11, 000 disabled people have died since the reforms started.. People who were terminal were told they were fit for work." Nope dear you smell like someone who have been havging out with the NEWT GInriche" of the world//

I am in touch with hundreds of folks with disabilities... when I have their permission..I'll be happy to prove you wrong.. Because you are obviously a TORY.. Nope nope nope..I live in the USA and have been a disabled rights activist for 20 years now.. I don't go quietly and I don't back down. BUllies like you are a dime a dozen...

get a life