A blow to evolution - Gene Regulation

reply to post by Astyanax


I understand that evolution rests on a belief that would be less probable than a 747 reconstructing itself in a hurricane, that doesn't mean its possible in my eyes.

reply to post by stereologist


Until your corrected me, and let me know that a catipillar is the same species as a butterfly.

reply to post by stereologist


As I have told you before, without you quoting the exact part of the thread, I have no idea which parts your referring to.

Male and female mosquitoes are obviously the exception.

Of course Cabbits was false, I NEVER claimed that I have never been proven wrong.

reply to post by neoholographic


Seems to me evolution is about to suffer an eighth round knockout.

reply to post by itsthetooth

Until your corrected me, and let me know that a catipillar is the same species as a butterfly.

I'm the one that corrected you and you continued to state that an organism changed from one species to another until more people brought it to your attention.

I wrote.

The caterpillar and the butterfly are the same species. They do not change species.

Your response was

fine, subspecies.

The point is that you lied when you stated that no species have changed into another species because you believed that it did happen.

Your statements cannot be trusted because it is clear that you repeatedly lied when you thought otherwise.

reply to post by itsthetooth

As I have told you before, without you quoting the exact part of the thread, I have no idea which parts your referring to.

Male and female mosquitoes are obviously the exception.

Of course I am going to quote you and point to the exact post where you have shown yourself to be wrong.

This is the post.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Yet here you are adamant this never happens
www.abovetopsecret.com...

All units of a species eat the same food

Of course Cabbits was false, I NEVER claimed that I have never been proven wrong.

You are stating a bald faced lie. You argued the existence of cabbits.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

We have cats and rabbits, two totally different species, are able to breed with one another and make a cabbit.

reply to post by randyvs


Sorry randyvs, but this is not the case. The idea that gene regulation exists goes back probably 50 years when it was observed and published that something was temporarily passed onto plants that had a previous generation in a nutrient poor habitat. The genes were the same, but their expression was different. Whatever it was, was not permanent and eventually the plants expressed their original form.

There is no "eighth round knockout" as you suppose. Had there been it would have happened decades ago. What we are seeing is a fuller picture of the manner in which evolution takes place.

reply to post by stereologist


So you assumed that because I made the statement that a catapillar changed species by becoming a butterfly, that I somehow believe that a species can change into another species.

All aside, your correction clearly proves that it was false and that there is still no proof to date that ANY species can change into another species.

reply to post by stereologist


Alright, I admit I jumped at the chance to post Ali- Forman. I still think evolution is severely on the ropes tho and has never been any more believable than creation. You know my opinion well I'm sure.

reply to post by stereologist


Your second link takes me to a post you did, so again I'm lost. I know you don't understand whats going on here. You want to emphasize on the fact that cabbits are not formed from a rabbit breeding with a cat, which is fine, but still doesnt explain how we eneded up with mules and wolf/ dogs. You like to take the emphasis off of that which so obviously still proves you wrong and try to ignore it. This is exactly why I listed all of them, I wanted to see which one you would focus on, the one that proves me wrong, or the two that prove YOU wrong. And I was correct, you ran with the one that proved me wrong and totally ignored the two that prove you wrong.

Well now is the tiime to fess up, and answer to these. How are they able to breed when they are different species?

Mister I have all the answers.

reply to post by itsthetooth

So you assumed that because I made the statement that a catapillar changed species by becoming a butterfly, that I somehow believe that a species can change into another species.

All aside, your correction clearly proves that it was false and that there is still no proof to date that ANY species can change into another species.

The point is that you stated that a species did turn into another, yet you have been adamant that does not happen. You simply are not trustable.

It is clear that you believed a species turned into another species yet you repeatedly lied that it never happened. You were being deceitful. It matters little that you were wrong. What matters is that you repeated stated what you thought was a lie.

reply to post by itsthetooth

Your second link takes me to a post you did, so again I'm lost. I know you don't understand whats going on here. You want to emphasize on the fact that cabbits are not formed from a rabbit breeding with a cat, which is fine, but still doesnt explain how we eneded up with mules and wolf/ dogs. You like to take the emphasis off of that which so obviously still proves you wrong and try to ignore it. This is exactly why I listed all of them, I wanted to see which one you would focus on, the one that proves me wrong, or the two that prove YOU wrong. And I was correct, you ran with the one that proved me wrong and totally ignored the two that prove you wrong.

Well now is the tiime to fess up, and answer to these. How are they able to breed when they are different species?

Mister I have all the answers.

You are not trustable. You have been exposed as someone that will spew lies.

You posted:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

We have cats and rabbits, two totally different species, are able to breed with one another and make a cabbit.

Then you defends the existence of cabbits in the following post.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

You continue to defend the existence of cabbits.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

None, I looked at damning video, especially the one that shows the rabbit and the cat breeding.

After several point out that cabbits do not exist you continued to defend the existence of cabbits.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

I'm sorry but I'm not able to find any manx cats that have the hopping effect like the cabbit does.

Nothing you state is believable and cannot be trusted.

PS Neither link takes you to a post I wrote. You might consider telling the truth.

Originally posted by mideast
Evolution is a lie.

It is said that these creatures evolve themselves.

But I haven't seen any creature evolving itself telling it self "I must grow this way, then it grow"

My skin is tanned when it is exposed to sunlight.

I don't tell it "get tanned"
Some rule is imposed on it and it gets tanned.
Western materialists invented Evolution to ignore god.

No, Western societies evolved from the Dark Ages. Simple.
You can still have a God and Evolution.. God created the entire universe--may BE the universe. so if there
are other planets with other intelligent beings, would they not be under God as well?

Humans are not perfect. Ego and Arrogance have been the main ruin of ANY society.

reply to post by randyvs

Alright, I admit I jumped at the chance to post Ali- Forman. I still think evolution is severely on the ropes tho and has never been any more believable than creation. You know my opinion well I'm sure.

Evolution is well established and as more scientific evidence becomes available evolution continues to be reinforced.

Creation on the other hand continues to falter and has been faltering for centuries. The strict forms such as a 6000 year old Earth have been crumbling since the days of Steno who realized the great antiquity of the earth. He lived in the mid 1600s. Even before then the flood story was recognized as being unlikely. DaVinci argued against fossils as being from such a flood. It has been downhill from there for creationism.

Originally posted by Pharyax

Originally posted by mideast
Evolution is a lie.

It is said that these creatures evolve themselves.

But I haven't seen any creature evolving itself telling it self "I must grow this way, then it grow"

My skin is tanned when it is exposed to sunlight.

I don't tell it "get tanned"
Some rule is imposed on it and it gets tanned.
Western materialists invented Evolution to ignore god.

No, Western societies evolved from the Dark Ages. Simple.
You can still have a God and Evolution.. God created the entire universe--may BE the universe. so if there
are other planets with other intelligent beings, would they not be under God as well?

Humans are not perfect. Ego and Arrogance have been the main ruin of ANY society.

Right , but they shifted into new dark ages.

Like some one who used to smoke while going to school , once he decides to change his life , he decides not to go to school any more to give up smoking.

They gave up religion and the ignorant church both.

Human beings are choosing in every single aspect. They can give up ego and arrogance.The angels are the ones who can not do bad things. But we can choose to educate , we can choose to learn , we can learn , we can choose to act like angels or Satan. We are not just forced to stay in one direction and obey what we are told. So perfection is what we can be. So , if we find creatures who can choose and if the moral evil and good are same concepts every where , finding new species will not be going to help.

So , we are not angels and we can be higher than them , we are always choosing human being , we should choose to educate and practice to be what we think is good. We are created humans and even if we find the species you talk about , we will always be what we are . We are stick to it. We are both the root of all evil and the solution to all evil.

We are choosing beings and we should change our behaviour.

We should take the responsibility and start the movement.

There is no pill or force of change.

reply to post by stereologist

The point is that you stated that a species did turn into another, yet you have been adamant that does not happen. You simply are not trustable.

It is clear that you believed a species turned into another species yet you repeatedly lied that it never happened. You were being deceitful. It matters little that you were wrong. What matters is that you repeated stated what you thought was a lie.

And again for the third time, you made the assumption that just because I posed that, that I believed in that. I guess your just no getting this.

reply to post by stereologist


Oh please, just because others tried to indicate that cabbits weren't real doesn't mean I'm just going to instantly believe them, people on here have been wrong to many times in the past.

But I did notice once again how for the third time now you have diverted the conversation away from the things that obviously prove you to be wrong. Like Mules and wolf / Dog mixes.

You may not understand what is going on, but its obvious from those that I keep referring to, that YOU ARE VERY WRONG.

It proves that species can both be the same, which is the aleged case with Dog and wolved, or they can not be the same species as in the donkey and the horse, and still be able to produce offspring.

Again, for the fourth time now, your making the obviously wrong assumption that relation isolation proves something when you can plainly see it doesn't prove anything.

reply to post by neoholographic


OP - you should learn computer programming, because the base code can be made in hundreds of different ways to run the same function on a system. Evolution happens, has been observed in our natural life, and the weight of the evidence for it is way beyond the evidence for intelligent design.

What your article is stating is that chimps/humans share the same base code, but the functions which use that code are different. Big deal. You'll see the same thing with programmers who use the same programming language - each one evolves their style of coding differently and a lot of times that evolution is specific to the environment they work in.

reply to post by itsthetooth


It looks like you missed this bit in biological sciences classes - en.wikipedia.org...

You should read up on this, as a "cabbit" is not possible. WTF - wow - how do you people even believe this stuff? Even youtube has no hoaxes of "cabbits" and yet here you are saying it's possible.

smh

reply to post by itsthetooth

Actually mules and dog/wolves don't prove anything one way or the other. Your clutching really tight to that straw.