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Originally posted by SplitInfinity
If...and that is a BIG IF...a GOD does exist then the evidence points to such a GOD using Evolution....NOT spontanious Creation.
reply to post by mideast
Evolution is a lie. It is said that these creatures evolve themselves. But I haven't seen any creature evolving itself telling it self "I must grow this way, then it grow" My skin is tanned when it is exposed to sunlight. I don't tell it "get tanned" Some rule is imposed on it and it gets tanned. Western materialists invented Evolution to ignore god.
Originally posted by Ismail
reply to post by mideast
Evolution is a lie. It is said that these creatures evolve themselves. But I haven't seen any creature evolving itself telling it self "I must grow this way, then it grow" My skin is tanned when it is exposed to sunlight. I don't tell it "get tanned" Some rule is imposed on it and it gets tanned. Western materialists invented Evolution to ignore god.
You don't actually know anything about the theory of evolution, do you ?
The ONLY possible way this could happen is that All Life on Earth EVOLVED from a Single Celled Organism that had been infected by a Virus. Thus the Virus encoded it's DNA upon the original lifeform and evolved into all species of Life upon Earth.
Originally posted by colin42
A blow to evolution - Gene Regulation
or you could have had the titleAnother Triumph for Science - Gene Regulation
It is science that discovered this and science that looks for the evidence to explain it and yet again expands our knowledge and uncovers more questions that need to be answered.
The day I will agree with you that science is a religion and its discoveries are a faith is when it says it has all the answers and writes a book for all to follow without question
Originally posted by Astyanax
reply to post by edmc^2
SplitInfinity is no longer around to answer your question, but viruses don't have cells.
A cell is a form of life that has already undergone considerable evolution.
Which brings me to this question - are viruses living things?
Originally posted by Astyanax
reply to post by edmc^2
Which brings me to this question - are viruses living things?
How does this question arise with respect to gene regulation?
edit on 3/3/13 by Astyanax because: I'm not putting up with tripe.
The ONLY possible way this could happen is that All Life on Earth EVOLVED from a Single Celled Organism that had been infected by a Virus. Thus the Virus encoded it's DNA upon the original lifeform and evolved into all species of Life upon Earth. -- SplitInfinty
The modulation of any of the stages of gene expression, ...encompasses the various systems that control and determine which genes are switched on and off, and when, how long, and to what extent the genes are expressed.
Originally posted by Astyanax
reply to post by edmc^2
I am not responsible for another member's speculations regarding the origins of life. As far as I am aware, that particular view is without scientific foundation.
As for your subsequent questions, I wish you the best of luck with your research.
Originally posted by edmc^2
Back to my question - are viruses living things?
Originally posted by edmc^2
If not - how do these "things" adapt to their host?
Originally posted by edmc^2
How did the first virus "got" its DNA/RNA if it's not a living thing?
Originally posted by rhinoceros
Originally posted by edmc^2
Back to my question - are viruses living things?
Depends who you ask. There's no universally accepted definition of life.
Originally posted by edmc^2
If not - how do these "things" adapt to their host?
Natural selection.
Originally posted by edmc^2
How did the first virus "got" its DNA/RNA if it's not a living thing?
What do you suppose was the first virus? Are you aware that viruses are not a monophyletic group? Some viruses have over 1,000 genes (and might have once been free-living microorganisms) whereas others have just a few genes. Summa summarum, there's more than one answer to your question.
Originally posted by edmc^2
So are you implying virus came first as a "free-living microorganism" then followed by the single celled organism?
Originally posted by edmc^2
If so - was this virus then the first organism?
Originally posted by rhinoceros
Originally posted by edmc^2
So are you implying virus came first as a "free-living microorganism" then followed by the single celled organism?
Not at all. I'm saying some viruses might have once been free-living. I also wrote that viruses don't have a single origin.
Originally posted by edmc^2
If so - was this virus then the first organism?
What does it take to be the first organism?
Organism Definition noun, plural: organisms (Science: Biology)
An individual living thing that can react to stimuli, reproduce, grow, and maintain homeostasis. It can be a virus, bacterium, protist, fungus, plant or an animal.
In biology, an organism is any contiguous living system (such as animal, fungus, micro-organism, or plant). In at least some form, all types of organisms are capable of response to stimuli, reproduction, growth and development, and maintenance of homeostasis as a stable whole.
An organism may be either unicellular (a single cell) or, as in the case of humans, comprise many trillions of cells grouped into specialized tissues and organs. The term multicellular (many cells) describes any organism made up of more than one cell.
All organisms living on Earth are divided into the eukaryotes and prokaryotes based on the presence or absence of true nuclei in their cells. The prokaryotes represent two separate domains, the Bacteria and Archaea. Eukaryotic organisms, with a membrane-bounded cell nucleus, also contain organelles, namely mitochondria and (in plants) plastids, generally considered to be derived from endosymbiotic bacteria.[1] Fungi, animals and plants are examples of species that are eukaryotes.
Originally posted by ChaoticOrder
If we were designed by a creator I'd still like to know who designed the creator. If it's not possible for amazingly complex things to naturally evolve over time then we must conclude that something else created the creator. Saying that complex things must always be designed and can't arise naturally is a paradox... because then you are forced to say the creator couldn't have possibly arisen naturally. At the end of the day, the ONLY possible conclusion that one may reach is that given enough time even the most absurdly unlikely events will occur. It doesn't matter how unlikely those events are, they will eventually occur. And when extremely rare things like sentient life pops up they think "man there's no way we got here naturally".edit on 23/2/2013 by ChaoticOrder because: (no reason given)