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Well sure it does, the only reason for experimentation is for them to choose a food that they personally like, which is not the case as they all come to the same conclusions.
If animals experiment, but then end up with the same decision,
Like I told stereo, as soon as he provides a single diet that proves experimentation, I would consider it, however, all species need to have it in their diet for it to be plausable.
it does not refute the fact that they experiment.
Are you suggesting that all animals have a built in labratory where they can scientifically realize what the food is worth?
In the same conditions and environment they will probably turn up to one thing. There is always an optimal food.
But your using the human diet as an example as though we have the perfect food.
But that optimal food can change, and there are many available. Think about the human diet, and how it changes depending on the environment.
Bot flys can lay inside the host.
Compare the French to the Americans to the Africans to the Chinese. Then consider how the human diet has changed over the years.
And come on now itsthetooth, what about your claims on fly's. Where do they lay their eggs?
I don't know how many times and how many different ways I can say it, you failed at producing a single diet that proves experimentation.
Maybe the problem here is that English is a second language for you. Is that the case? I am perplexed at your constant mistakes.
The only thing that your stating here is that it would never fall into a known diet, which is fine, because anything with a known diet is not experimenting. However they would still list this magic phase of experimentation, and they don't.
A nonsense claim. If it were part of a diet it would not be experimentation. So please tell us if English is a second language for you. I'm trying to figure out why you seem unable to understand simple ideas. It may be due to Your native language being something other than English.
Not me, I've done my homwork.
Look who is talking.
Thats because I don't have a folly.
You have not produced the first piece of evidence for any TF, aka Tooth's Folly.
Anytime a species has a known diet, that proves it.
But the fact your missing is that they all make the same food choices when given the chance to.
Prove it.
I have an even used my parakeets as an example.
Only when they are starving. Support your false claims and prove it!
No the onus is on you to prove it.
No we don't, we have a concise diet for everything. Species never leave a diet unless its no longer available, and they will always go back to it if given the chance. The fact that we know there is a diet alone proves it. You can research any species and come up with a diet.
Ludicrous. We have an idea of what may be eaten by some species in some places.
Please provide that "We NEVER see a disbanded diet on a species"
Please prove that a diet proves any of your claims.
Please prove that "we know what everything eats"
I already did the first two, and proved you wrong, you can do the rest on your own.
Please provide the specific food for the following species:
1. gray squirrel
2. wolf
3. barracuda
4. kestrel
5. katydid
6. black bear
7. cardinal
8. tree frog
Species eating just about everything in a food group proves they are searching for a specific food thats not available.
After phase one is no longer in reach they still have Target Food on the mind and end up choosing the next closest food, in this case its insects and rodents.
It was either squirrel or deer.
What animal are you talking about in the original post? Are you claiming deer eat rodents?
Well sure it does, the only reason for experimentation is for them to choose a food that they personally like, which is not the case as they all come to the same conclusions.
Your trying to tell me that all species experiment with food and that its just some form of magic that they all come to the same choices.
Like I told stereo, as soon as he provides a single diet that proves experimentation, I would consider it, however, all species need to have it in their diet for it to be plausable.
Diver ticulitus.
Bot flys can lay inside the host.
It's because its for laying eggs, not for consuming. This is why cats and dogs get worms, thier body temperature is perfect for incubation and our bodies isn't. So we never get worms from mosquitoes even if they lay eggs in us
I don't know how many times and how many different ways I can say it, you failed at producing a single diet that proves experimentation.
The only thing that your stating here is that it would never fall into a known diet, which is fine, because anything with a known diet is not experimenting. However they would still list this magic phase of experimentation, and they don't.
A wiki diet for example would say something like, this creature eats blah blah blah, and switches over to an alternate diet later on, but goes through an experimental phase in the mean time, where is deciding on what to eat.
Thats because I don't have a folly.
Anytime a species has a known diet, that proves it.
I have an even used my parakeets as an example.
No we don't, we have a concise diet for everything. Species never leave a diet unless its no longer available, and they will always go back to it if given the chance. The fact that we know there is a diet alone proves it. You can research any species and come up with a diet.
Species eating just about everything in a food group proves they are searching for a specific food thats not available.
Then how would we ever be able to get a lock on their diet?
Animals experiment with food at all stages and regardless of the abundance of food.
I was just slightly wrong, they don't lay eggs, they lay larve.
As I've told the person that thinks mosquitoes lay eggs in hosts, if it was in the diet it would not be experimentation. You request is nonsensical.
But I don't have a folly.
Another hilarious misspelling. Course that comes from someone a long debunked claim called TF, aka Tooth's Folly.
It wasn't so wacko as you can see, I was correct, they do in fact lay larve in the host.
Moving the goal posts. For those that missed the wacko claim here it is.
No need to ID already proved you wrong.
As Dave Barry says, I am not making this up. Check out the link and see that tooth thinks that mosquitoes lay eggs in people.
Only if you believe that YOU are the ONLY one to date to be smart enough to have realized that all animals experment with food. I'm sorry, I'm not buying it.
I don't know how many times and how many different ways I can say it, but that is a nonsensical request.
Well cats and rabbits do actually mate, as in the video I provided, its just a question as to wether or not they produce offspring.
It could only make sense to someone that thinks cats and rabbits can mate to have cabbits.
Eggs, larva, close enough, you were wrong.
It could only make sense to someone that thinks a caterpillar turing into a butterfly is one species turning into another.
It could only make sense to someone that thinks mosquitoes lay eggs in hosts.
And your trying to tell me that in the over hundreds of years that man has been studying diets, YOUR the first to realize that experimentation is a natural part of the process, its just never mentioned anywhere.??? Uhm, can you say WRONG. Talk about trying to hide behind and support your lie, give it up man.
This is illogical. If it is not in a diet it is not in a diet. If a diet is known it does not mean that the animal avoids food outside of the diet.
Of course it does otherwise it would not be classified as habitual.
Illogical. Experimenting does not require a switch in diets.
I was looking for proof, not opinion.
Sure you do. it's called Tooth's Folly.
So what you are saying is that YOU are also the ONLY person that has realized that not all members of a species eat the same food, and again they just so happen to not have documented this one either ?????
Proves nothing since not all members of a species eat the same food.
It proves your incredulous.
Your claims about your parakeet did not prove or demonstrate this issue.
Of course not, its to difficult to observe something eating, and apparently even harder to document.
We do not have a concise diet for everything.
I already gave examples, but the best one that comes to mind is the squirrel. You need to tell wiki they have it all wrong then.
Not all members of a specie go back to a previous diet. These are just more vacuous unsubstantiated claims and in some cases lies.
I did the first two, you will have to go fish if you want more.
Please provide the specific food for the following species:
1. gray squirrel
2. wolf
3. barracuda
4. kestrel
5. katydid
6. black bear
7. cardinal
8. tree frog
Both diets explain clearly what they eat.
You claim to have show the specific food for the first 2 but that is a lie. You posted a diet. You claim there is a specific food. Post the specific food.
It's proof because its obvious they are not content with that diet, and choosing everything in its catagory. Probably your explanation of experimentation, when its quite the opposite, they know exactly what they are looking for, they just aren't finding it.
prove it.
Well they do to lay larve, thanks to ID sharing that.
You still have not figure out why you are wrong by claiming that female mosquitoes need warm blood.
So I take it what you saying is that you have known forever that moquitoes have the ability to lay both eggs and larve?
You stated that it was need as a place to lay their eggs, but that is nonsense.
I was close enough, you were wrong once again.
You make all of these idiotic claims in your folly and yet you can't get anything right such as female mosquitoes and blood.
Then how would we ever be able to get a lock on their diet?
You have provided no proof to this delusion yet you keep thinking that if you keep telling yourself this along with others that its like having an epiphany. There is just one problem, goals are not reached by thought alone, you need proof, I have mine, where is yours.
I was just slightly wrong, they don't lay eggs, they lay larve.
It wasn't so wacko as you can see, I was correct, they do in fact lay larve in the host.
No need to ID already proved you wrong.
It's because its for laying eggs, not for consuming. This is why cats and dogs get worms, thier body temperature is perfect for incubation and our bodies isn't. So we never get worms from mosquitoes even if they lay eggs in us
Only if you believe that YOU are the ONLY one to date to be smart enough to have realized that all animals experment with food. I'm sorry, I'm not buying it.
Only if you believe that YOU are the ONLY one to date to be smart enough to have realized that all animals experment with food. I'm sorry, I'm not buying it.
We have cats and rabbits, two totally different species, are able to breed with one another and make a cabbit.
None, I looked at damning video, especially the one that shows the rabbit and the cat breeding.
I'm sorry but I'm not able to find any manx cats that have the hopping effect like the cabbit does.
Eggs, larva, close enough, you were wrong.
And your trying to tell me that in the over hundreds of years that man has been studying diets, YOUR the first to realize that experimentation is a natural part of the process, its just never mentioned anywhere.??? Uhm, can you say WRONG. Talk about trying to hide behind and support your lie, give it up man.
Of course it does otherwise it would not be classified as habitual.
So what you are saying is that YOU are also the ONLY person that has realized that not all members of a species eat the same food, and again they just so happen to not have documented this one either ?????
It proves your incredulous.
I already gave examples, but the best one that comes to mind is the squirrel. You need to tell wiki they have it all wrong then.
Well they do to lay larve, thanks to ID sharing that.
It's because its for laying eggs, not for consuming. This is why cats and dogs get worms, thier body temperature is perfect for incubation and our bodies isn't. So we never get worms from mosquitoes even if they lay eggs in us
You make all of these idiotic claims in your folly and yet you can't get anything right such as female mosquitoes and blood.
Do you mean complex as in you not having the ability to comprehend it? Why would you argue about something you can't understand?
Here have the voice of a closed mind telling us that they need to have a fix to lock down their nonsense claim. That's the problem with reality. It is more complex than Tooth's Folly.
And you lie again, anyone can see from those posts that I'm correct.
Anyone reading the thread can check this link to see you are the liar.
Delusional like the nice pic ID posted clearly showing that I'm correct.
You don't have to buy it. You can continue to live in your fantasy world of your folly, and cabbits and mosquitoes laying eggs in hosts and all of the other delusional ideas you have.
They do to mate, and I even shared a video proving it, quit lying.
They don't mate and you defended the existence of cabbits. So please stop the incessant lies.
But they do, I guess you missed the news flash.
Who is going to believe the stupidity of Tooth's Folly when you post nonsense like that? No one.
Mosquitoes do not lay eggs or place their larva in hosts.
Nope we just publish what we think something eats and call it good.
You need to learn what that means.
We do not have a concise diet for everything.
Close enough as far as I'm concearned.
Diets are not specific foods. Please answer the question. Posting diets is not specific. By not providing the answer it clearly means you are once again lying.
Everyone knows you lie on a regular basis. I have provided the places you lied with quotes and links.
When are you going to prove something, like where is that overwhelming proof that species experiment with food I guess its not in abundance is it .
Once again you are telling a lie by pretending that being a disease vector justifies your origin stupendous mistake. Not so.
Here is the blunder posted by tooth.
What is your folly based on.
This comes from pointing out that tooth is wrong to claim that female mosquitoes need a warm meal. Tooth is unable to determine why that is wrong and instead goes off half cocked making greater blunders than I thought possible.
Well I don't make up things like claiming they experiment with food, and arge about it with no supporting evidence, and then try to back up my lie by claiming there are resons why they don't indicate they experiment with food. Keep lying, your looking good.
I personally don't think that tooth will ever figure out why mosquitoes do not need a warm meal. It's way too difficult a problem to solve. I know second graders that knew the answer, but that is asking too much of tooth.
If tooth can't figure out even a trivial issue about animal diets how is tooth ever going to get anything at all right about animal diets. I just don't see any possibility for tooth to get this right.
And you lie again, anyone can see from those posts that I'm correct.
Not all members of a specie go back to a previous diet. These are just more vacuous unsubstantiated claims and in some cases lies.
I already gave examples, but the best one that comes to mind is the squirrel. You need to tell wiki they have it all wrong then.
Species eating just about everything in a food group proves they are searching for a specific food thats not available.
It's proof because its obvious they are not content with that diet, and choosing everything in its catagory. Probably your explanation of experimentation, when its quite the opposite, they know exactly what they are looking for, they just aren't finding it.
Then how would we ever be able to get a lock on their diet?
You have provided no proof to this delusion yet you keep thinking that if you keep telling yourself this along with others that its like having an epiphany. There is just one problem, goals are not reached by thought alone, you need proof, I have mine, where is yours.
I was just slightly wrong, they don't lay eggs, they lay larve.
It wasn't so wacko as you can see, I was correct, they do in fact lay larve in the host.
No need to ID already proved you wrong.
It's because its for laying eggs, not for consuming. This is why cats and dogs get worms, thier body temperature is perfect for incubation and our bodies isn't. So we never get worms from mosquitoes even if they lay eggs in us
Well cats and rabbits do actually mate, as in the video I provided, its just a question as to wether or not they produce offspring.
None, I looked at damning video, especially the one that shows the rabbit and the cat breeding.
I'm sorry but I'm not able to find any manx cats that have the hopping effect like the cabbit does.
Of course not, its to difficult to observe something eating, and apparently even harder to document.
Well I don't make up things like claiming they experiment with food, and arge about it with no supporting evidence, and then try to back up my lie by claiming there are resons why they don't indicate they experiment with food. Keep lying, your looking good.
Provide away, I still want proof.
Provide the quotes please. I've provided places where you lie and it is so obvious.
My claims are all redundantly backed up, unlike yours. It's all about your opinion.
Anyone with a ridiculous folly such as yours, Tooth's Folly, has to base their claims on lies don't they? You have no evidence so you tell lies instead.
I never claimed that.
You don't have to buy it. You can continue to live in your fantasy world of your folly, and cabbits and mosquitoes laying eggs in hosts and all of the other delusional ideas you have. You even posted a photo of the life cycle of a parasite and you think that has anything to do with the life cycle of mosquitoes. What a great laugh on you.
The bear you were talking about also falls into that catagory.
This is a logical fallacy called hasty generalization, or extrapolation from a small sample. Here small is 1
I have already told you I'm only doing the first two and I have, the rest you can do on your own. A diet IS a specific food and in fact its so well known that its considered to be habitually eaten otherwise it would no make it onto the diet.
lease provide the specific food for the following species:
1. gray squirrel
2. wolf
3. barracuda
4. kestrel
5. katydid
6. black bear
7. cardinal
8. tree frog
You have not provided a specific food. You claim it exists. A diet is not a specific food.
You lie when you claim there is a specific food. That's a bald faced lie and you have been caught.
You made the following claim about a specific food.
I just did, go fish.
All of that is conjecture, circular reasoning, and ignorance all wrapped together.
Please prove your claim.
Provide away, I still want proof.
All that the vet told me was that mosquitoes give worms to animals, he didn't go into detail.
It's because its for laying eggs, not for consuming. This is why cats and dogs get worms, thier body temperature is perfect for incubation and our bodies isn't. So we never get worms from mosquitoes even if they lay eggs in us
The bear you were talking about also falls into that catagory.
Provide away, I still want proof.
All that the vet told me was that mosquitoes give worms to animals, he didn't go into detail.
It's because its for laying eggs, not for consuming. This is why cats and dogs get worms, thier body temperature is perfect for incubation and our bodies isn't. So we never get worms from mosquitoes even if they lay eggs in us
The bear you were talking about also falls into that catagory.
Provide away, I still want proof.
All that the vet told me was that mosquitoes give worms to animals, he didn't go into detail.
It's because its for laying eggs, not for consuming. This is why cats and dogs get worms, thier body temperature is perfect for incubation and our bodies isn't. So we never get worms from mosquitoes even if they lay eggs in us
The bear you were talking about also falls into that catagory.
Sure, thats why they use the word habitual, they habitually guessed the same food .
We don't. Diets are rough guesses often
You are sending out some good comic relief.
You have provided no proof or evidence. You do seem to be content to fool yourself into thinking that your personal ignorance of the issues and the use of circular reasoning are ok. They make the rest of us laugh.
Nope, they plant larva in hosts, so I was still correct.
Mosquitoes lay eggs, but not in hosts. You're wrong.
But I dont have a folly.
What could I expect from someone with a folly called Tooth's Folly.
Either way your wrong, they infect the host with a parasite, sorry your worng.
Mosquitoes do not lay larva in hosts. They may be a vector for disease, but they do not lay larva in hosts.
Mosquitoes lay eggs, not larva.
Your opinion has no weight here, you have been given ample opportunity to prove that statement and all you have done is made excuses why you are unable to prove it. No one wants to hear your excuses, we are all here for proof.
Animals experiment with food all of the time regardless of abundance.
The wiki clealy states they are looking for a warm host.
The question to tooth was why he thinks mosquitoes need a warm meal. Tooth claims:
1. To lay eggs in hosts WRONG
2. To lay larva in hosts WRONG
3. Because if there is blood it is warm WRONG
Those that we don't, they will very soon.
Tooth's Folly is just as ridiculous as these claims.
We do not have a concise diet for everything. New animals are found every few days. Do we know their diets? NO.
What is tooth's nonsense response
The squirrel diet is one of many that proves this.
A logical fallacy called arguing from incredulity.
Not all members of a specie go back to a previous diet. These are just more vacuous unsubstantiated claims and in some cases lies.