Is there any better argument against intelligent design that the human mouth/teeth?

Originally posted by SplitInfinity
reply to post by undo

 

Uhhh...No...this Ancient Viral DNA encoding is VERY specific and is easily detected within all life forms genomes.

Split Infinity

Not only that, new research shows that new traits in viruses based on multiple mutations can indeed occur with frightening speed.

www.nytimes.com...

Supporters of ID claim that this sort of thing can't happen, therefore ID is the only explanation.

reply to post by Bone75


You should never Hone you Bone Alone...LOL!

Seriously though...if you look back at my previous posts...I describe the process of Quantum Evolution as well as how this process not only created LIFE with DNA...but also created DNA within a Non-Living form as this is what a Virus is....it has DNA but it is NOT ALIVE!

This shows how Quantum Evolution created a complex Molecular Matrix just below LIFE and even having DNA.

This shows the connection between complex Molecular Lifelessness....and Life.

Split Infinity

The topic of this thread reminds me of something 'Metta World Peace' has said.



I would think, personally, that if teeth were 'intelligently designed' they would definitely grow back once being knocked out, as previously stated by others.

Originally posted by SplitInfinity
reply to post by undo

 

Uhhh...No...this Ancient Viral DNA encoding is VERY specific and is easily detected within all life forms genomes.

Split Infinity

and that is because dna is that fluid. hmm, trying to think of a comparable analogy:

let's say you have numbers 1-5. there are only so many permutations of those numbers before you run out of new number sequences created by those single digits in various configurations. now for our purpose in the discussion, let's make the 1-5 equal the same thing as base pair amino acids. and now, let's look at various permutations:

12345
it contains 234
23145
it contains 234 but isn't in the right configuration
52341
it contains 234 and is in the right configuration.
but is it 12345?
nope. did it give rise to 12345 or did 12345 give rise to it? maybe, but since it's only a possible subsection of a larger number and this gets even more unlikely the smaller the number being used is. in the example of the sideways insertion of bacteria or viri, you would have a much larger number being effected by a number so tiny and in such frequency everywhere else that it would be like saying a needle in haystack is evidence all hay is from a needle.

yeah that was not the best analogy but you get the idea

reply to post by flyingfish


Our SUN and it's constant bombardment of the Earth with it's Solar Radiation is a HUGE source of Genetic Mutation.

Current Toxic waste and various other Chemicals as well as Pharmaceuticals draining into rivers and streams from Bovine Farms that use various drugs to keep livestock healthy....are also a great source of Genetic Mutation.

Split Infinity

reply to post by Monger

the fact that our mouths are too small to fit all of our teeth.

There are other factors for small mouths. The tongue is a powerful muscle designed to help shape the jaw.

We swallow a total of 1,200 to 2,000 times every 24 hours with about four pounds of pressure per swallow. This constant pressure of the tongue will force the teeth out of alignment if the tongue is not properly in place while swallowing.
Source

In our highly evolved genius minds we abandoned proper nutrition, so we encountered sinuses issues resulting in mouth breathing.

Open Mouth Breathing

The adaptation from nasal to mouth breathing takes pace when changes such as chronic middle ear infections, sinusitis, allergic rhinitis, upper airway infections, and sleep disturbances (e.g., snoring) take place. In addition, mouth breathing is often associated with a decrease in oxygen intake into the lungs. Mouth breathing can particularly affect the growing face, as the abnormal pull of these muscle groups on facial bones slowly deforms these bones, causing misalignment. The earlier in life these changes take place, the greater the alterations in facial growth, and ultimately an open mouth posture is created where the upper lip is raised and the lower jaw is maintained in an open posture.

The tongue, which is normally tucked under the roof of the mouth, drops to the floor of the mouth and protrudes to allow a greater volume of air intake. Consequently, an open mouth posture can leads to malocclusions and problems in swallowing. Other causes of open-mouth posture are weakness of lip muscles, overall lack of tone in the body or hypotonia, and prolonged/chronic allergies of the respiratory tract.

God designed our tongues to help shape our jaw and facial structure.
Resulting in appropriate room for teeth growth and properly aligned teeth. Along with that proper structure of nasal passages, to promote proper breathing technique.

Gods intended design was corrupted by mans pride. Man jumped the gun so to speak an desired to get things done his way rather than stick with the much slower holistic approach in Gods designed plan.
See Genesis 3

God set man outside of the plan because they had so to speak infected the design. but much to Satan's surprise he did not destroy these rebels he actually provided a covering and a way for them to sustain life. albeit more difficult now that they choose their own path.
See Genesis 3

So from a perfect designed human, man dilapidated as this corrupted design failed. Our environment became unnatural resulting in poor breathing from improper nutrition. Poor breathing, poor blood circulation, poor blood circulation poor, brain activity, poor brain activity, poor muscle control.

Our bodies long to get back to their intended healthy design, but it takes work. When we see failures its easy to blame God. But the failures trace back to the temptation that man gave into, the fast track.

Great resource Holistic Dentistry

Source
Sdtongethrust.com
Orofacial Myology

Well, honestly here's the big divide a lot of people do not take into account...

Belief does NOT equal theory...they are in no way shape or form the same thing. Creationism and intelligent design say they are. Why should I believe in evolution is what they say...which is wrong. Evolution is not something to believe in or not; all scientific evidence supports evolution. In fact some evolution is not a theory at all but scientific law, making it a reality...not all area's of the theory have been investigated and reproduced yet, to give the whole theory the title of law...but there is very few area's left.

Creationism...belief. Not one single solitary shred of anything at all; found in nature suggests creation, in any way shape or form. What creationist called proof is all the myth and legend man has made for it; himself...that's why creationism equals Santa Claus.

reply to post by undo


What you fail to understand is that this ancient viral DNA encoding occured so far back...at the very beginning of life...that the encoding itself is an integral part of all Life evolved from the original Single Celled Organism.

If such an infection and thus Genetic encoding were to occur within a Multicellular Life Form today...and we waited a Billion Years...detecting it would be like you have described.

But because it occured at the Very Beginning. Life cannot exist without it.

Split Infinity

imperfections in the human genome are the result of micro evolution on an already pre-existing strain of mammal dna, that was spliced into a perfectly functional and fully regenerative clone body with no death sequence. we could argue the imperfections of mammal dna and be closer to the real debate, as far i can tell.

Originally posted by SplitInfinity
reply to post by Bone75

 

You should never Hone you Bone Alone...LOL!

Seriously though...if you look back at my previous posts...I describe the process of Quantum Evolution as well as how this process not only created LIFE with DNA...but also created DNA within a Non-Living form as this is what a Virus is....it has DNA but it is NOT ALIVE!

This shows how Quantum Evolution created a complex Molecular Matrix just below LIFE and even having DNA.

This shows the connection between complex Molecular Lifelessness....and Life.

Split Infinity

I've read your posts in this thread and nowhere do you describe the process of Quantum Evolution or how it formed the first single celled organism. You mention this process, but you don't describe it.

So I'll ask again, where did the first life form come from?

reply to post by Observationalist


Hey...I will add a couple more....

GOD wanted us to pay a S#!% Load of money when we went to a Dentist so he made sure we only got two sets of teeth.

GOD wanted us not to be able to fit our KNEES in our Mouth...thus he made them a bit smaller than a knee.

GOD liked the word CHEESE so he made sure that we had teeth so we could say that word over and over again every time we took a picture.

YIKES!

Split Infinity

reply to post by undo


Humans have mammalian DNA...Reptilian DNA...Amphibian DNA...ICY>>>ICHY>>>FISH DNA...you name it.

You can't just apply everything to just Mammalian DNA when you talk about a Homo Sapiens Genome.

Split Infinity

Originally posted by Monger
This caused a rapid explosion in human brain size, which led in a very roundabout way to us, today, sitting in front of our magical glowing information machines.

That is a complete myth spread by the meat industry.

Smarter Humans made tools, and started hunting, and eating animals. Smarter Humans survived better than less smart Humans.

Other meat eating animals do not have large brains, and intelligence has nothing to do with brain size.

If life were indeed intelligently created then God is a Programmer. Life is a library and parts of code are inherited by the newer beings, just like the good old computer code. So you pile up junk code in libraries that you never care to debug because they just work for what you need them to (in this case keep a human being alive for 30-40 years or so).

Why would God bother rewriting the full DNA code for each being? Just use whatever is there and make some changes, not necessarily improvements, to suit His next goal.

Humans are just God's (poor) programming homework/experiment - if you believe in ID

The condition of someones teeth has been conditioned into society to portray health, desirability, and intellect. Boy are we gullible. Sounds like back when the fake Shamans in Europe with their drums said that the old Shamans lost their power when they lost their teeth. No wonder Christians banned drums, the Wisdom of the real Shamans needed to be protected. Scam artists have been around using all kinds of deceit for thousands of years.

How does Intelligent design apply to humans?

Originally posted by SplitInfinity
reply to post by Observationalist

 

Hey...I will add a couple more....

GOD wanted us to pay a S#!% Load of money when we went to a Dentist so he made sure we only got two sets of teeth.

GOD wanted us not to be able to fit our KNEES in our Mouth...thus he made them a bit smaller than a knee.

GOD liked the word CHEESE so he made sure that we had teeth so we could say that word over and over again every time we took a picture.

YIKES!

Split Infinity

or we are nerfed. dna replication requires a section of dna unzips to make new product from that section, either whole strands or subsections of those strands. somewhere along the line, the section that told our perfected bodies to regenerate all parts and never have a shut off date, stop giving that instruction either as a result of tampering or mutation. by itself, it is further "literary" evidence of intelligent tampering and/or creation. if the literary aspect of it was ever to coincide with the scientific aspect, i would say that would be when the first human being is successfully cloned by another human being.

there's no reason to suggest this is not a possibility, other than the very large amount of wiggle room given to a very small number sequence fitting into a very large number sequence.

reply to post by Bone75


OOPS! My Mistake.

I posted about it in my topic asking why do people argue over Evolution and Creation when they could have both.

Sorry. It is a lengthy explaination. If I am wrong...and I don't think I am as I a fairly sure it is there...I will post it here again.

Split Infinity

The mouth and wisdom teeth and why they are the way they are is something I've thought a lot about.

Over crowding was a big problem/ concern in my mouth growing up. In fact, when I was in the 6th grade I had four permanent teeth pulled because my 12 year molars were coming in and I had absolutely no room. The dentist explained to my parents and myself that pulling the teeth would create room for the molars and he was right. Everything moved forward in my mouth within a matter of months and today you can't even tell those teeth were pulled.

Of course my mouth had no room for my wisdom teeth. When they began to grow I had to have them cut out and broken into pieces with a chisel. The only good thing was the drugs they gave me. But believe me, I was cursing even having these useless wisdom teeth.

So, if you're still reading, thank you. I said all that to say this: Whether the human mouth is a result of intelligent design or evolution, it still stands to reason to me, based on my own dental experiences, that the wisdom teeth are meant to be replacements. Non existent dental care along with poor diets probably led to lots of tooth loss back in the day. I don't see why wisdom teeth couldn't be a replacement for teeth lost. I'm just basing this off of my own experience.

Originally posted by SplitInfinity
reply to post by undo

 

Humans have mammalian DNA...Reptilian DNA...Amphibian DNA...ICY>>>ICHY>>>FISH DNA...you name it.

You can't just apply everything to just Mammalian DNA when you talk about a Homo Sapiens Genome.

Split Infinity

no, mammals have reptilian dna and amphibian dna and fish dna. mammal dna has been spliced into your dna. well into the dna of your ancestors, and that includes whatever is inherent in mammal dna. but you are more than a mammal.

reply to post by Monger

Here's something to ponder in regards to the idea that BOTH superintelligent design (from a first last cause) AND evolution are true - the earth, moon, sun relationship.

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by Philodemus

 

Would you like to clarify? Don't assume anything now.. there could be more to it than you think...

Let me clarify by asking you this - Although sentient life beyond earth is all but a certainty, where else in the entire universe (where stars outnumber grains of sand) can a bipedal, ten fingered, self aware sentient observer look up and see their single, giant moon (by compare to the host planet), perfectly eclipse the circumference of their sun?

And to clarify still further, let me add the following for your consideration, before you walk away all smug while tugging your lapels.. lol

Now in "light" of that, still further, please look at this rather interesting geometrical relationship

translated to the flower of life and vesica pisces

Now if you will consider this

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by lonewolf19792000

 

Jesus Christ is the Phi Ratio Son of God

The Golden Proportion is analogous to God’s relationship to creation

The Golden Section, or Phi, found throughout nature, also applies in understanding the relationship of God to Creation. In the golden section, we see that there is only one way to divide a line so that its parts are in proportion to, or in the image of, the whole:

The ratio of the larger section (B) to the whole line (A) is the same as the ratio as the smaller section (C) to the large section (B):

Only “tri-viding” the whole preserves the relationship to the whole
And so it is with our understanding of God, that we are created in His image. Not by dividing the whole, but only by tri-viding the whole does each piece retain its unique relationship to the whole. Only here do we see three that are two that are one.

The Book of John begins with these words that capture the essence of this:

In the beginning was the Word,
and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God.

Jesus, in John 14:9, expressed a similar thought:

Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father.


Conclusion:

The human Jesus (the Son of Man) is to the divine Jesus (the Son of God) as the divine Jesus (the Son of God) is to God (the Father or whole).

www.goldennumber.net...

and then to top it off I would like to invite you to consider how.

Jesus Christ as son of God perfectly reflects the light of God (God consciousness and will to love and to share) even in the darkness, as the moon does the sun, which is both an allegory and a physical symbol/sign embedded right into the creation as a first/last cause, a sign that Jesus as a trained Magus was most certainly well aware.

Are you astonished now?

Things that make ya go hmmm....

Now, do I think that God has still more tricks up his sleeve? Sure, why not?

But you have to admit that this is a good one.

And my oh my what it says about us, about we ourselves also as children of a loving God, as sons and daighters of God..

"So do not be afraid, little ones, do not let your hearts be troubled and be of good cheer, for it pleased the father (first father of creation) to share his kingdom with all his children! (said with an exclamatory and a smile)