Was Jesus worshiped as God?

reply to post by Deetermined

Dewey never gave an opinion. He came out and basically admitted that Revelation was a bunch of signs and symbols that he didn't understand.

I'm still waiting to hear what it is that he does believe in.

He gave an honest answer. What's your response? That your lack of understanding bears more credibility than his lack of understanding? That with your lack of understanding you can prove his lack of understanding lacks more understanding than your own lack of understanding?

Enough games. Make your point, support it, prove the validity of that support, and pass the ball.

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by Deetermined

 

He gave an honest answer. What's your response? That your lack of understanding bears more credibility than his lack of understanding? That with your lack of understanding you can prove his lack of understanding lacks more understanding than your own lack of understanding?

Enough games. Make your point, support it, prove the validity of that support, and pass the ball.

I already posted my support. Dewey admitted to me in another thread that he doesn't even focus on the afterlife or heaven, so there's nothing to compare. He's not familiar enough with this aspect in the Bible to support his claims and he has basically admitted as much. My questions are now answered regarding his views (from another thread), so you don't need to keep going on about it. Dewey usually goes by the Book, so that's why I asked.

reply to post by Deetermined

He's not familiar enough with this aspect in the Bible to support his claims and he has basically admitted as much.

It's not a lack of familiarity.
I'm not supporting what I consider to be pure speculation.
There is a judgment, and a resurrection, at least long enough to stand for judgment.
Beyond that, it is fuzzy.
Revelation uses what I consider as metaphorical language to describe a restored Eden.
I think there is a carry-over that the New Testament writers felt obligated to deal with, that was the current 'urban myth' of the day, that at some point, time would end, and that would be "The Day of the Lord", which had nothing to do with Christian teachings per se.

reply to post by danielbarzohar

I have a post on my blogspot that deals with "How are we saved by a name? It explains based on old testamet scripture how the Creator placed his name in his angel - the Angel of the Lord. Theologians, both Christians and Jews have taught that the messiah would be the "angel of the Lord" incarnate. The name or essence of the Creator would be in him.

I read your blog post.

Pay attention to him and listen to what he says. Do not rebel against him; he will not forgive your rebellion, since my Name is in him.

God gave the angel authority... and ordered the Israelites to obey him. God was acting through the angel. Agreed. But was the angel ever worshiped? Did the angel ever accept worship? No. He was an agent of God tasked with guiding the Israelites, but with authority to punish rebellion.

Jesus was also like the human angel, but not fierce. He too never accepted worship, the kind that is directed towards God. There are 2 kinds of "worship"... Godly worship directed exclusively towards God... and an act of homage which can be expressed towards humans.

Whatever worship was directed towards Jesus was an act of homage, which the definition of the greek word for worship allows for it to be.

Also, welcome to ATS.

reply to post by sk0rpi0n

Jesus was also like the human angel, but not fierce. He too never accepted worship, the kind that is directed towards God. There are 2 kinds of "worship"... Godly worship directed exclusively towards God... and an act of homage which can be expressed towards humans.

Whatever worship was directed towards Jesus was an act of homage, which the definition of the greek word for worship allows for it to be.

1wor·ship
noun \ˈwər-shəp also ˈwȯr-\
Definition of WORSHIP
1
chiefly British : a person of importance —used as a title for various officials (as magistrates and some mayors)
2
: reverence offered a divine being or supernatural power; also : an act of expressing such reverence
3
: a form of religious practice with its creed and ritual
4
: extravagant respect or admiration for or devotion to an object of esteem

According to this definition right here, every single part of it, your Jesus was very much worshipped. In fact, it is his flesh and blood consumed during communion, correct? It's him we thank for our food, right? We give him just as much credit as we give anyone else while praying, right?

And people are always asking, "Do you know Jesus?" That has to mean something.

And...I hope I don't have to quote all the scripture identifying Jesus and "God" as one being. I'd hate to think you don't know your Bible.

reply to post by wildtimes

God is not a person. We can't see, hear, touch, describe or understand the Godhead.

That's why we have Jesus and the Holy Spirit. So we can/could, see, hear and touch him, otherwise, we wouldn't be able to.

reply to post by Deetermined

That's why we have Jesus and the Holy Spirit. So we can/could, see, hear and touch him, otherwise, we wouldn't be able to.

It is unwise to use any one expression of a concept to define the entirety of that concept. Just as it is unwise to use a Ford Explorer to define the entire concept of "motorized vehicles". Spirituality and the Godhead is unique to every one of us, in that it means something different to every one of us. Those meanings are not wrong - they are what gives us the inspiration to create, which allows us to enjoy awareness.

The only meaning that can be considered wrong is the meaning that encourages you to discourage - for that is the meaning that scatters salt over the soul, and deprives the imagination of sunlight, and steals away the godliness that lurks within us. If we want to know the divine, we must look within.

Teach a man to fish, and he will eat for a lifetime. Teach a man to be his own god, and he will no longer need a crutch. He will be his own miracle. That, to me, is the power of Jesus. That's one of the most important lessons we should take from him.

Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by wildtimes

 

God is not a person. We can't see, hear, touch, describe or understand the Godhead.

That's why we have Jesus and the Holy Spirit. So we can/could, see, hear and touch him, otherwise, we wouldn't be able to.

That is the most ridiculous statement I have yet to hear regarding "getting to know you getting to truly love you.."Godhead, Godbeak, God Antlered, Godhooved, God teated, GodEvil (book in hand to describe itself). We need to have to hug a cimbus cloud formation (better yet a RAINBOW) idea to truely know it. You have no clue as to what the Holy Spirit is; let me tell you, it is the field that exists connecting all of us as matter together, it holds us in form otherwise, POOF, and Jesus? double POOFED explaination exclaimation points not forthcoming anytime soon (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!).

Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by wildtimes

 

God is not a person. We can't see, hear, touch, describe or understand the Godhead.

That's why we have Jesus and the Holy Spirit. So we can/could, see, hear and touch him, otherwise, we wouldn't be able to.

I think one can be 'touched' by God.

The OP just said this on another thread ...

sk0rpi0n
op seems to think whatever he has learned during his few years as a muslim trumps the collective knowledge of Islamic scholarahip over 1400 years.

And yet he did here what he complained about on the other thread. The OP seems to think whatever he has learned during his few years of reading the bible (without an open mind and with the intent to discredit it) trumps the collective knowledge of Christian scholarship over 2,000 years.

Christianity states very clearly ... Jesus is God Incarnate. That's 2,000 years of 'Christian scholarship'. So by the standards of the OP ... the Christian scholarship should trump his own biased and limited interpretation.

Jesus never denied being God, nor did he tell people not to worship him as a god. Out of all the occasions where he could have corrected them, and did correct them on numerous issues, he never corrected them on that one. Seems if he didn't correct them, that means there was no correction to be made.

There's no question he was worshipped and allowed them to worship him.

AfterInfinity
Jesus never denied being God, nor did he tell people not to worship him as a god. Out of all the occasions where he could have corrected them, and did correct them on numerous issues, he never corrected them on that one. Seems if he didn't correct them, that means there was no correction to be made.
There's no question he was worshipped and allowed them to worship him.

Since childhood I was told "Jesus IS LORD", sang hymns to his praise. Do not many prayers start out as "Oh Lord bless this or that...(so that we can feel better about our questionable intents/actions)". If that is not worshipful thinking I dont know what is otherwise Lord would be replaced with God, Anu, Zeus, Ra and dozens of others. Do Buddhists pray to Ziddhartha probably not (do they pray at all?).

Angle
Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by wildtimes

Deetermined
God is not a person. We can't see, hear, touch, describe or understand the Godhead.

somebody
That's why we have Jesus and the Holy Spirit. So we can/could, see, hear and touch him, otherwise, we wouldn't be able to.

angle
I think one can be 'touched' by God.

Unfortunately its not mutual is it, (unless you accept yourself and your fellow humans are actually god incarnate NOOO, maybe) which destroys any argument that Jesus is 'NOT God'. There is a difference, no one WORSHIPS ME (probably not you either); and in saying that we all should be worshiped, at least worship ourselves looking into the mirrored reflection EVERY MORNING..high five, fist bump and useless over the top gang signage (copacetic dragons) still invisable/inactive/non-existant.

reply to post by sk0rpi0n


Yes Jesus was worshipped as God and is worshipped as God. But ther eis a big problem with people going around Judging other people in the name of worshipping Jesus.

People need to know after reading the bible that Jesus was very humble and DID NOT go around shouting that he was God. So people today should not go around doing that. Jesus got into an arguement with the people because it was against there tradition to call anyone God but they had no choice because of the miracles, so Jesus in an attempt to settle the argument said that we are all Gods when you put it in that context.

Yet people of today love to sink their evil teeth on the judgement of others by the name of Jesus, which is completely wrong. These people do not love their neighbors as Jesus asked them to, so they are defiling the name of God, the name of Jesus. I am very upset at that, because they love to take truth and twist it around, misleading the sheep of the world into their falsehood.

Here is an example of a stupid human writing on the internet and displaying the wrong beliefs of society.

After police ordered Becton to stop, he continued to charge the door, yelling that he is God...
I guess the Bible does say that we know not the time or hour when Christ will return to walk on the earth...

God is the Father of Jesus. That is what Jesus said. Do not change the darn truth around in the purpose of evil because there is a greater percent of the world that does that.

dodol

Originally posted by Murgatroid

Was Jesus worshiped as God?

Jesus IS in fact God...

Did you know that you 'were' also GOD?

edit on 22-2-2013 by dodol because: (no reason given)

That's just ignorant.

They say of Jesus (someone can find the passage numbers) "And they were astonished for He spoke as one with authority and not as the scribes". I think Matthew 8 or 9.

Why is this important? When talking about scripture only ONE person can speak with any authority. God. Everyone else must teach and infer from it like a scribe, saying "well here it says this or that, what do you think?"

reply to post by FreeMason


There is not one power in this entire universe that has more power over your life than yourself. No one can take away your free will. Perhaps that is why we are hated so much by these higher powers.

AfterInfinity
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There is not one power in this entire universe that has more power over your life than yourself. No one can take away your free will. Perhaps that is why we are hated so much by these higher powers.

They hate us because we evolved in ways (through our ingenuity) they couldnt anticipate. Disease to render our numbers, (we developed vaccines), they progressed with introducing an out of control 'phama' industry as an answer, overload us with toxic 'miracle' drugs. They as a consequence are killing off the elderly (believe what the doctor says and take the pills as perscribed); leaving the newer generations to understand the value of natural/whole foods, distrust the quickfix medications. Entropy/decay within the self-impowered systems (OF OLD SCHOOL STRATEGY) will be their demise. Its a waiting game of future generations is all. Theyve lost control unless they can figure out a way to stop the higher frequency changes happening within our environment. Theyd have to kill earth, not just change its weather patterns or incite greed (mining its natural resourses to the point nonexistance enciting RIOT and hoarding within the populations); and of course the whole point is to enslave and feed upon the negative energy generated by their contact/manipulation of/with the human emotive GENERATOR (pure and found nowhere else). They of the lower frequency cannot eat love (the higher frequency).