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its quite possible to have species of dinosaur to have at least developed basic tool use, language and problem solving skills. we have them present now in modern species. eg apes/monkeys/birds etc,
even having a more advanced tech could be possible and would be hard to detect and study if it was based on biotech rather than the mechanic tech we use now. eg harry harrisons eden series.
I cannot say anymore, since your set on your ways. What I was going to say was a test to see your own mind for yourself. However, it seems like I'm talking to a wall, dead and set.
If you don't like that kind of logic, then why don't you go somewhere else?
The BB analogy is something every electrician, engineer, and scientist should know. And you forgot something, what is Gravity? A EM force operating at 1 terahertz with a wavelength of .3 to 4.3 mm.
If you would be so kind to show me such findings, then I'll take into consideration a debate.
If nothing else, then we come from two different worlds of Academia. One being Orthodox which only has a mind of war, and one of Unorthodox which has a mind of peace. And this useless war of words and opinions is nothing more than a hindrance on advancement.
So if your bogus meter is on high, that says that it needs to be tested. If you would so kindly do so, I challenge.
I am not the one basing my views on nothing but ignorance. I base my opinion of evidence and when that evidence is correct my view will obviously not change unless of course someone can show that evidence false. I see no signs of that happening with you.
I cannot say anymore, since your set on your ways.
No you was asking me how I knew I had a brain if I had never seen it. I showed you by evidence and the only wall I am seeing here is the one you have built out of blocks of ignorance held together with a mortar made from denial.
What I was going to say was a test to see your own mind for yourself. However, it seems like I'm talking to a wall, dead and set.
Or could it be that not many people agree with you? As for your claim of not looking for themselves, you are the one that is not looking at the evidence for the comet strike and making fantastical claims to suit you wildly incorrect story.
Not a lot of people here are willing to look for themselves and not rely on others to make them happy.
Another line of words that have no meaning
This is not defeat, this is agreement. I have come from a different world of Academia, and there are others. That's all I have to say.
Freedom. We have not had a discussion. If the OP topic has any value (I believe it does) it is as a challenge to use information and evidence and apply it to test a theory. Most have but you have not.
At least I will thank you for such a discussion.
Could be wrong but I think iron rusts away after about 5,000 years so the odds of any super cargo ships lasting 165 million years are really slim. 165 million years from now there would be nothing left but fossils and some new life form making fun of any of it's members that suggested that primitive homo sapiens might have had cell phones
Originally posted by FreedomCommander
reply to post by Barcs
It doesn't match up. Only a honest person would see the truth, and seek the truth.
Most of the craters of today are based off of assumptions. I can tell you what are those really, but I know you won't listen since you've already made your decision.
A comet of such size would of destroyed a planet. What was it? A million nukes going off?
Even if a planet is solid, which I know it isn't, would shatter if something like that hit Earth. All I can say is that assumption is not my cup of tea.
At least I will thank you for such a discussion.
1. the trilobite hoax
2. BB analogy
3. the 1/32 of the Earth claim
4. the gravity is EM claim
5. orthodox has only a mind of war claim
6. unorthodox has a mind of peace claim
But then logic comes into play.
Wind blown dunes do not tend to be covered by sediments.
There is no mechanism for there to be high lands around that place to have produced the sediments.
But the same water that was providing the sediments would have washed away the sand. At the very least there would be sand free river channels but there are none.
Try as I might, I can not see how that area was covered with anything that eroded away except maybe more sand. So, if it was not from iron laden water seeping down through sediments then how did that iron get up there? Well, the general shape of the outcrop gives me a clue. It is about 100ft wide and about 500ft long and about 30ft thick. The rock outcrop is generally boat shaped. I can see a large ship, like a cargo ship sinking in shallow water. It laying there for millions of years and the rusting iron "melting" into the sand and cementing it together. Then the ocean levels fell and the sand began washing away. This left the iron infused sand high on a hill.
The entire geologic history of the sand hills and coastal plain make little sense.
Let's think, whose wasting space? To me, those who are closed, directing towards you.
History has proven that orthodox science only has a mind of war, goes by the following, Allopathy, explosives science, weapons science, and others I cannot name off the top of my head
Unorthodox doesn't follow it because it already has it, yet refuses to use it for war, Orgone, homeopathics, occult, astrology. and others I cannot name off the top of my head.
This conversation between us is to end due to the enviable contention rising between the orthodox and unorthodox.
Good-bye, sir.
Originally posted by FreedomCommander
reply to post by Barcs
Honesty or not, only a reasonable, anti-ego person would see truth, and not let others dictate what he/she sees and not to see.
That is the true purpose of truth.
I believe that the problem here is your confusion about the sequence of geological events. For example, you state that every last bit of sediment eroded away. Sand is part of the sediment. The existence of a hill shows that not all sediments eroded away.
But then logic comes into play.
For example, you claim there are no remains of the sediments that overlaid the existing material. Do you know what you are looking for? Can you identify the weathered material? How do you know that the quartz nodules are not that material? You suggest they did not blow in from somewhere. That sounds like confusion on your part. You do not recognize material that was lithified close to where you found it.
Wind blown dunes do not tend to be covered by sediments.
Guess you've never been to huge areas of WV where cross beds are common. You should check out Utah as well.
There is no mechanism for there to be high lands around that place to have produced the sediments.
Guess you should look into the manner in which barrier dunes move as sea levels change. Get a book on oceanography.
But the same water that was providing the sediments would have washed away the sand. At the very least there would be sand free river channels but there are none.
This is all confused rambling. Learn how waves distribute sands.
Try as I might, I can not see how that area was covered with anything that eroded away except maybe more sand. So, if it was not from iron laden water seeping down through sediments then how did that iron get up there? Well, the general shape of the outcrop gives me a clue. It is about 100ft wide and about 500ft long and about 30ft thick. The rock outcrop is generally boat shaped. I can see a large ship, like a cargo ship sinking in shallow water. It laying there for millions of years and the rusting iron "melting" into the sand and cementing it together. Then the ocean levels fell and the sand began washing away. This left the iron infused sand high on a hill.
You really should look into learning how clastics are cemented into rock.
The entire geologic history of the sand hills and coastal plain make little sense.
Originally posted by WormwoodSquirm
I still remember my thoughts when I saw a timeline of life on Earth for the first time. Even as a child I said to myself, "how in the world have humans been here for so short a time and have the ability to make machines and incredibly complex technologies such as mastering the atom and flying to the moon?"
This line of thought really came to an explosion later in life in a University Neuroscience class on the evolution of the human brain, visual cortex etc.
I put my hand up and asked the professor and class, "if humans just appeared on Earth a little sliver of time ago, why didnt the Dinosaurs, who lived for like a hundred million years, why didnt they build skyscrapers and have cell phones?"
After a long pause the professor looked up at the class and answered, "who says they didn't?"
Needless to say this blew me away because he was 100% correct. How do we know what they did or had as a way of life on Earth? All we have are their bones/fossils, which are now so old they are rocks, to formulate theories about them and what they accomplished.
When it comes right down to it, nothing they ever accomplished to give us a good reliable theory about them has survived the millions of years.
Is it possible that a comet will someday wipe us out and hundreds of millions of years from now some being digs up a human bone fossil and says, "oh look, I found an old human arm fossil" and someone else responds, "ya those dumb things used to swing in trees and bark at each other. We think they may have even been able to dig termites out of logs with their oppose-able thumbs"
They would have absolutely no clues or evidence that we went to Mars or had cities, cellphones or anything. All they would find are fossils of us because everything else would be lost in time.
So reflect on that for a moment. Please do not flame me for suggesting Dinosaurs may have been more advanced than we are told because to simply accept that train of thought would be ignorant to facts.
If it is true that they were like dumb idiot lizard type bird things with no technology then why are humans so special? What caused humans to have these abilities so quickly? Intervention from other life forms? Creation by God type beings?
What are your thoughts on this subject?edit on 20-2-2013 by WormwoodSquirm because: (no reason given)edit on 20-2-2013 by WormwoodSquirm because: removed a word
Originally posted by Barcs
Truth doesn't have a purpose. It just is. What you do with it, is up to you.
You create the purpose. Just like how the fact and truth of evolution is applied in modern medicine. It's not about wisdom or ego. It's about facts, and despite the fact that you have provided none, you can't seem to drop the 'holier than thou' attitude.
Oh, I get it. You are right because you say you are right. No need to back anything up because you are anti ego and wouldn't dare refer to yourself as wise. It's just ironic considering you are trying to promote yourself as open minded, yet completely dismiss anything taught by science or school without even giving it a chance.
That's REALLY open minded of you. That's like somebody going around preaching about how bad and evil pedophilia is, while at the same time having a young kid chained up in his basement for sexual favors.
edit on 5-3-2013 by Barcs because: (no reason given)
I thought you had gone? Still, You have supplied nothing but your poorly constructed opinion and obvious denial.
Then you don't understand where I come from. I give people, like you, evidence and in return, instead of them saying, "Give me a minute, I'll look into it." all I get is "THIS IS BULLS***! YOU KILLED MY GOD!"
Your denial of evidence shows without doubt that you have a mind like a steel trap, snapped shut.
So if that is not open minded to you, then I don't know what the freak your talking about. CAPISCE!?
You don’t show you know what science is to have been able to give it a chance. Your insults wont change that.
I gave orthodox science a chance, and what has it brought me? Nothing but pain and sorrow and big hole in my wallet along with some idiot's view of the world.
I see, another messiah and in this case a blind one.
Long before I even thought of this, I gave people a chance. But to my dismay, they are low of morals, scruples, and overall conscience. I wanted to help, help people see what's out here, at no cost.
If all you have is your opinion and are bent on denying any and all evidence then you are not a scientist and have nothing to offer us poor sinners.
I need a guarantee that you, as a fellow person and a fellow scientist, that you won't follow the world, and just hear a drop of what I know.
The old outside the box nonsense that always comes from someone that has nothing of substance to say.
Hear what truth I've learned outside the box. Just ask, and ask soon.