100% PROOF The Iraq War Was A Lie- Declassified Rumsfeld Memos

What a great MSNBC distraction crafted to take the focus off the current Crook in Chief. Let's all kick back and fantasize about convicting Bush while giving carte blanche to Obama and his company of ruthless minions.

REally!! I can't believe the crap I'm reading here. Wake up and look at what has already happened under the current regime and what has yet to play out.... More of the same folks.

Just ignore Obama's covert proxy wars and his personal drone campaign. Don't worry about it. Forget that we have been sending Spec. Ops forces to Central Africa since Last October.... Forget the US paid private "contractors" who are working in Somalia. Forget our efforts in Mali blah blah blah...

Amazing!!

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I agree they did exaggerate wildy as Saddam if he came clean there would have been no invasion. The only thing I fault the Bush admin for they should have went straight to the source-Saudi Arabia.

Yes...I think I agree with you.

I really don't think we needed any proof that the entire war was a lie. The politicians who spearheaded the war effort was proof enough that something was afoot. For example: Mr. Dick Cheney, Haliburton CEO and majority stockholder.

Originally posted by Hopechest
But hey if you think it is 100% proof I imagine we can look forward to prosecutions and sentences being handed down right?

Not a chance in hell. Politicians that high up are above the law. Just being a realist here.

Originally posted by MystikMushroom
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Family Guy pointed this whole thing out in an episode where the family went to NYC. Brian (the dog) points out to Peter that 9/11 had nothing to do with Saddam or Iraq. Unfortunatley, most people that watch Family Guy won't digest or care. To those people, a cartoon is just a cartoon.

Does anyone else see a problem with this? People getting their news from a freaking talking cartoon dog. And if that's not bad enough, folks getting their news from Family Guy or The Daily Show think they are getting the whole story. Right, there's no bias there whatsoever. A talking cartoon dog would never put a spin on anything to suit his writer's agenda. Never.

This is what is known as the dumbing down of America. I can totally understand why the founding fathers only allowed land owners to vote. They realized that a person is smart, but people are not. Maybe we should start making people pass a civics and reading comprehension evaluation before being allowed to register to vote.

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You do realize that Haliburton is the only company in the U.S. large enough to take on the government contracts in Iraq after the war? That's why the government didn't take any bids, because no other company could do the job.

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You are so rght! The US now is in an empire expansion mode abroad (we have military elements in 35 African countries now....mineral rich countries. Simultaneously, we have a growing police state that ignores the 1st, 4th and 5th Amendments at home -> fascism.

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The interesting thing about playing with puppets, is that you can easily interchange heroes and villains, in the end the characters are all just puppets.

Originally posted by rtaylortitle
reply to post by TrueAmerican

 

You are so rght! The US now is in an empire expansion mode abroad (we have military elements in 35 African countries now....mineral rich countries. Simultaneously, we have a growing police state that ignores the 1st, 4th and 5th Amendments at home -> fascism.

It's a race to the finish in Africa and right now China is leading the way in the effort to fully exploit its rich untapped natural resources. (Now they have to do something about all of those unstable govts. Maybe that's our job) The sun is rapidly setting in Northern Africa and Parts of the middle east. The US has helped to selectively oust specific regimes to pave the way for the new ones as we close the book to focus on a new region.

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www.alternet.org...

"The US has pursued "domestic terrorism" by practicing pre-emptive prosecution, that is, going after individuals who have committed no crime but are alleged to possess an ideology that might dispose them to commit acts of "terrorism". Maintaining that it can -and should - be in the business of divining intent, the government decimates crucial elements of the US justice system."

If laws and rules vote in anything being this website or the information posted above as a terrorist attack, we as people can be prosecuted and charged with literally no defense.

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I was already 100% convinced prior to this release. The only possible good would be to see these men in court for war crimes. Anything short of that, then we might as well release all prisoners who have been convicted of conspiracy to commit anything. High treason IMHO. But we can't have two sets of laws, one for the common man and another for elites. But this will likely be much ado about nothing, as usual, they will skate scottfree minus one scapegoat who happens to die flying a Cessna or drowned fly fishing in ankle deep water after successfully flying a Cesna.

It's truly a wonderful life here on Earth while we pretend to be physical matter human beings, but it aint for the faint hearted.

I wonder whether, before we chose to come back here to Earth for another life, they had like a presentation, some brochures, maybe a video about what it was like. Dunno. But it must be pretty compelling, from the perspective of being on the "other side", thinking about coming back here. Otherwise, who would volunteer for this?

Some things are beautiful and amazing. But some of this is beyond comprehension. The men making these decisions - they are human beings, aren't they?

Is there some bigger picture we aren't aware of, us normal worker-bee-drones, that would, if we were aware of it in its totality, justify things like 911/Iraq/Afghanistan/Africa/Indonesia/Palestine/Saudi Arabia, or whereverthehellelse "they" are invading and destroying this week?

And talk of Big Pharma, Big Oil, Big Banks, Big Ag, and all the rest of the too-big-for-their-britches tough guys who shove poison and greed down our throats is just black icing on this poop-cake. It boggles! Boggles!

Am I missing something here, or are some of "us Earthlings" really alien lizard monsters from Saturn, bent on as much madness and destruction as possible?

I like to think it is my own ignorance that prevents me from undersstanding, but it feels less and less like that every day as information leaks out.

Yeeks.

Thank the gods for motorcycles, labrador retrievers, and courageous women. They make life worth living.

The rest?

Not so much.

I must be the only one who knows full well we didn't go to war with Iraq for the reasons stated, but who also is perfectly fine with that.

a) Saddam was a monster, and anytime you can cull one from the herd, hey, more power to you...
b) He was lobbying for OPEC to go off the dollar, thus dealing one more blow to the economy..good riddance....

We dangled the bait (Kuwait), he swallowed the hook...pure and simple. And, we get another military foothold, possible launching point, in the middle east...



No tears from me at Saddam's departure...

Buch, Chaney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Wolfowitz - ALL WAR CRIMINALS that should be tried and convicted. That would go a long way towards re-claiming this country's status, in my opinion. Everybody knows what these un-American did. Why aren't they being prosecuted? News Flash - MONEY TALKS !!! You read it here first.

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I must admit, I didn't shed a tear for Saddam Husseins departure either.

But the civilians that were killed to bring it about on the pretext of a complete lie - thats another matter.

An average citizen knows it well ...

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No. Lets not forget that.

Lets remember it too, along with a war on the pretext of a lie.

Lets actually be properly critical of some aspects of post WW2 US Foreign Policies that have left a mess across the world.

At the same time, lets realise that some good has also come of US interventions overseas since WW2.

However, the bad decisions seem to outweigh the good ones.

Most importantly, it needs to be realised that both the Republicans and Democrats have made these decision and that neither party can claim any kind of moral superiority over the other, at all. The blood shed really is on everyone's hands.

Did you ever hear of the myth of Narcissus, who was so in love with himself that when he looked into a pond and saw his own reflection, he was instantly in love with his image? Rachel is like that only she hates the very image she sees and yet doesn't recognize it as her own.

All this is doing is taking the attention from the foibles of the current admin, and still blaming Bush for everything. Of course I still love to blame Carter for stuff too. Every POTUS since Carter has been controlled by the NWO. It would be well for Rachel to realize the people she hates so much are controlling her pet POTUS as well.

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Maybe we should start making people pass a civics and reading comprehension evaluation before being allowed to register to vote.

Yah that was called "school", but now it is "values clarification" and they barely teach the basics while focusing on more "important" things like what it would be like to commit suicide. That is actual fact....questionnaires on suicide are given to teens to explore the topic, and we wonder why there is so much teen suicide.

Robert McNamara and Lyndon Johnson both admitted that the Vietnam War protesters were right. When is someone going to build a monument to anti-war activists? And why Rumsfeld and his commander in chief aren't standing trial someplace is it's own kind of monument - to unfairness and "letting bygones be bygones".