Get a Load of These Police Targets....Scary Stuff.

Originally posted by Darkphoenix77
reply to post by opethPA

 

Being the fact that he was a police officer and a former soldier does that not say something meaningful?

I didn't say he was right or wrong all I said was to sum up his post he doesn't like cops.

As to your point no it doesn't say something because you never know why someone is a former anything. I am not saying that he left on bad terms and chances are he didn't but just because someone says they are or were something on the web doesn't make them qualified to speak about it.

Originally posted by ContractedMercenary

Originally posted by ContractedMercenary
Coming from this type of background ill just go ahead and tell you right now this is nothing more than a typical market scheme trieng to ploy in on all the recent homeland shootings.

These types of targets have been around for years. Hell ive popped automatic rounds in more than a few civilian type targets, the civilian style just comforts the brain when having to do live ops..

All the so called people on here whining and crying about these targets are the first to ream these same targets but real life version when incidents happen. Like i said prior, The object of these targets is to comfort the brain in live OP situations.. Alot of you "know it alls" talk straight out of your butts most of the time and have no real first hand knowledge just what your read and here....

Say what you will but when a bogey is meaning to harm you it doesnt matter women child grandfather or man getting shot is getting shot. Ive done things that are hard to live with but when it comes to life or death its kill or be killed. So with all that said i would urge you guys to get over your righteous selves and understand that its training and nothing more...

I can think of lots of reasons why a civilian would be armed and protecting themselves in their home or property and by accident point it at a police officer entering the home unannounced. So if you go down in a dark basement and shine your light on a kid in the corner hiding and pointing a gun in your direction your just gonna blast him away huh?

Originally posted by opethPA


So to sum that up... you don't like cops..

edit on 21-2-2013 by opethPA because: (no reason given)

Didn't say that at all. I don't like the type that shouldn't have been cops in the first place. The ones that would shoot that kid or pregnant teen. I don't like the ones who became cops so they can push people around. I don't like the ones who put their own interests first and don't take into account the interests of those they are actually supposed to be protecting.

There are good cops out there, but they are dwindling in numbers. More and more we get these new cops joining the police force who are doing it for all the wrong reasons. These are the people who suffocate a guy with downs syndrome in a movie theater. You can't possibly tell me that this guy was a threat to anyone. What they did was unnecessary. Their actions in this case did not actually protect anyone and ended in death.

Here bad cops repeatedly bodyslam a nurse.

Or how about this abuse of a man in a wheelchair.

There are numerous examples of things like this.

The problem is that cops are being turned into something other than people who protect our neighborhoods. They are being turned into a paramilitary force and trained that all people are bad; something to be controlled and kept in their place. There are many cops today who routinely break the law with no consequences; they are above the law. They treat people with hostility and disdain. This isn't how it is supposed to be.

The mere fact that they are practicing shooting pregnant teenagers and children is very disturbing. Those should be the last people they would ever shoot. They should give it a second to try to calm the situation down and if they take a shot, hopefully it is in the vest. I would like to repeat, however, that the odds of accidentally coming upon a situation like in the targets are between slim and none. The only way a cop is going to end up in this situation is if they are kicking in doors. Which begs the question; whose doors are they planning on kicking in?

There are good cops and other LEO's out there. But they are fewer every day.

Originally posted by opethPA

Originally posted by Darkphoenix77
reply to post by opethPA

 

Being the fact that he was a police officer and a former soldier does that not say something meaningful?

I didn't say he was right or wrong all I said was to sum up his post he doesn't like cops.

As to your point no it doesn't say something because you never know why someone is a former anything. I am not saying that he left on bad terms and chances are he didn't but just because someone says they are or were something on the web doesn't make them qualified to speak about it.

No, what you are doing is making a subversive ad hominem attack on my posts; you are writing things in a way as to suggest that are an attempt to be contributing to the conversation while they are in fact designed to denigrate my posts, my premise, and my message. You are not attempting to discuss but are instead using rhetorical devices to conflate and obfuscate the purpose of the thread.

You are, my friend, a troll.

Originally posted by Bakatono

Originally posted by opethPA

Originally posted by Darkphoenix77
reply to post by opethPA

 

Being the fact that he was a police officer and a former soldier does that not say something meaningful?

I didn't say he was right or wrong all I said was to sum up his post he doesn't like cops.

As to your point no it doesn't say something because you never know why someone is a former anything. I am not saying that he left on bad terms and chances are he didn't but just because someone says they are or were something on the web doesn't make them qualified to speak about it.

No, what you are doing is making a subversive ad hominem attack on my posts; you are writing things in a way as to suggest that are an attempt to be contributing to the conversation while they are in fact designed to denigrate my posts, my premise, and my message. You are not attempting to discuss but are instead using rhetorical devices to conflate and obfuscate the purpose of the thread.

You are, my friend, a troll.

Ok..you , being all knowing, win in calling me a troll even though i have done nothing close to trolling in this post or any other post I have made. If by disagreeing with you, more specifically certain parts since I actually think certain things you say make sense , then yes I am a troll.

The previous person suggested that because you were a previous military or LOE that you might have some inside knowledge to which i replied just because someone says something on the web doesnt make it so.

Originally posted by Signals

Originally posted by WaterBottle
Some of these pics are really low quality to be selling on a professional level...

Are you sure this company is legit?

edit on 19-2-2013 by WaterBottle because: (no reason given)

Yes, I'm pretty sure...

law enforcement targets inc info

What was the point of that? You already linked to their site. If you were willing to go through all of that trouble you shoulda linked to an article showing that police and military actually purchase these targets.

Originally posted by 2manyholes - Maybe someone should start a target business for us, using bankers, politicians and leo's for the cardboard cutouts?

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i think that would be a goldmine.

reply to post by WaterBottle


No offense meant....You asked if it was a real company, I responded.

Maybe I shouldn't have used "let me google that for you" but I wouldn't have started the thread without some rudimentary investigation of the site first.

thread verifying purchase by DHS

Originally posted by Bakatono
The problem is that cops are being turned into something other than people who protect our neighborhoods. They are being turned into a paramilitary force and trained that all people are bad; something to be controlled and kept in their place. There are many cops today who routinely break the law with no consequences; they are above the law. They treat people with hostility and disdain. This isn't how it is supposed to be.

I'm quoting you because in my mind's eye this is the heart of the problem - a police force more concerned with acting and looking like the military than should be allowed by law. The soft practice targets they've adopted (kids, pregnant moms) under the banner of "everyone is a target" is symptomatic of a military style operation.

I also agree that the wrong people are (and have recently become) cops. Some of these cops are better suited for construction, mining, carpentry, all good jobs, that don't put them in positions of authority. I fully blame Giuliani and his Broken Window model for the entire decline in police character, IQ, and responsibility to protect & server.

As former military myself, I understand the battlefield mentality - you're fighting to protect your friends, to live another day and to go home. Enemies can be anyone, anywhere in your theater of operations. Those tactics are *not* acceptable on western soil outside of a battle zone. These targets, that desensitize already dumb cops, are nothing more than an example of how far we've let our police forces slip into a military-style organization who are getting their strings pulled by law breaking banks, politicians, bad laws (Patriot Act), ect...

Ok people these people are raw pits of hell evil.

Look at the people that are not shown as profiled targets.

Why are they not also profiled?

I will never murder women and children and anyone that does should go to prison for life.

**UPDATE**

letargets has removed the No More Hesitation targets from their site!

Their posted message:



www.letargets.com...

Now I'm sure they will still fulfill that 2 million dollar contract but thanks to all of you for helping put them on notice!!

Fantastic work all around and to you, Signals, for bringing this to our attention and keeping at it. Smart move by the company too - if I represented them I ask for the same changes to avoid/parlay a PR nightmare.

Edit: From their message, it appears they were testing the waters to see what was acceptable and what's not - it sounds like a small business operation that relies on feedback from the community along with purchasing orders to gauge acceptance. No fault there -- plenty of small businesses try new ideas to gauge market acceptance, and apparently ATS (and others) gave them the feedback they needed... that's how it should work, a conversation between business and community.

Originally posted by Signals
**UPDATE**

letargets has removed the No More Hesitation targets from their site!

Their posted message:

www.letargets.com...

Now I'm sure they will still fulfill that 2 million dollar contract

but thanks to all of you for helping put them on notice!!

Notice that they only took them "offline". They did not retire the product, they merely moved them somewhere that the public can't see them. This way we will think everything is fine. Notice how they say that it was "law enforcement" that asked for them. I bet you dime-to-dollar that if you called that company and asked for those targets they still make them. I bet if you went to their office their brochures would show them.

It would be great if they were gone and I am glad there are some LEOs out there who voiced their disapproval to this company. Unfortunately, those are not the LEOs we are talking about in this thread. There are plenty of others--the type that requested these targets--that still exist.

Sent them a message asking if the line is discontinued or if it is still for sale. Any bets on whether or not they respond?

reply to post by Bakatono


They'll probably want to verify your LEO credentials to proceed further...

I'm posting this consulation to you tube taking SLAYERS video down in America. In no way does it compare with what SLAYER69 mastered.


Seems we can't have anything nice in the ststes.

Thought I'd add this perspective, word is getting out.

reply to post by GoodNuz


Thank you for posting this and welcome to ATS, needless to say I agree with everything said in that message 100%

No Hesitation = lots of dead innocents and whoever thought up this "brilliant" idea needs a serious "attitude adjustment".

Or how about, you know, teaching cops to contain an child with a gun instead of going pop pop pop. How come in countries like Germany they can ride out a hostage situation for 2 to 3 days and wait for the hostage takers to quite literally get tired, while in America everything has to be resolved before the game is on.

I've been "involved" with federal law enforcement for over 10 years now.

These are the ONLY targets we use for training.




Some electronic simulators let you create your own shoot/dont shoot scenarios with real actors but we are not allowed to use anyone under 18 years old.