Get a Load of These Police Targets....Scary Stuff.

Originally posted by Signals
reply to post by Creep Thumper

 

It's a simple request...

Tell us how using these targets make you better at what you do.

You can't. Possibly because these type of people...old man defending home....young boy on playground....old lady defending home... are the type of people you are preparing for.

But, I digress.

Enlighten us, please.

You sure as hell made alot of assumptions in this little rant right here. Let me go ahead and do what you did!!!!

How do you know that's not some old perverted pedophile jerkin off on little boys in a Virginian cabin somewhere, shooting his shotgun off because troopers are on the microphone calling for his surrender...

Or again how do you know thats not some old lady with Alzheimer's who woke up one morning and just freaked grabbing her husbands shotgun and killing her grandson caretaker casue she had no idea who he was or why he was in her room, and is now scared for her life, and is shooting at cops or anyone who is approaching the house?...

See these are thoughts all you fool hearted conspirators forgot to take into consideration. Its ok to believe the truth is out there but you have to be rational and whole headed to achieve anything great!!

Originally posted by Signals
reply to post by Creep Thumper

 

It's a simple request...

Tell us how using these targets make you better at what you do.

You can't. Possibly because these type of people...old man defending home....young boy on playground....old lady defending home... are the type of people you are preparing for.

Just because something has not happened yet does not mean that same thing can't happen.
As the govt closes its grasp and times become more desperate , desperate people will do desperate acts.
If you would have said to me last month "man enters school bus, demands kid then shoots driver" as a scenario who knows how many people would have thought that could happen but it did.

As for how training things like that help.. run through a target house and have various things pop up at you then assess your performance. Anything that become muscle memory is to your advantage . Their is not a single person on this site that would not respond with force if another man, woman or child was pointing a gun at them. You might try and negotiate first and if it got to the point where their was no option every single person here would try and eliminate that target if the only other option was getting shot.

If you want to say to me that the Govt and LEO are doing other things that infringe on rights, doing things wrong, whatever...fair enough you can fine cases they are .. I hope the people in these scenarios be it law or military continue to train for every possible reasonable scenario .

reply to post by opethPA


yes i forgot to mention face and lower body shots. but the majority of criminals arent a good enough shot in a panic to take off a head, alot more likley like you have stated to be shot lower or in the actual vest.

reply to post by ContractedMercenary


wouldnt she forget where the gun was? and or forget how to use it for that matter?

Originally posted by Creep Thumper

Originally posted by FortAnthem


These are exactly the type of situations in which a LEO should hesitate before firing. I don't think any cop wants a dead child or pregnant woman on their conscience. Any cop who doesn't hesitate in this type of situation should be canned IMHO.

What happens when they gun down a kid only to find out it was a realistic toy they were holding?

I'd like to put you in that situation and watch you hesitate. And die.

You'd like to watch people die?!? Wow, is there any wonder now why we need to be armed?

Originally posted by dirtybird
reply to post by opethPA

 

yes i forgot to mention face and lower body shots. but the majority of criminals arent a good enough shot in a panic to take off a head, alot more likley like you have stated to be shot lower or in the actual vest.

Actually anyone other then a trained shooter or someone that has practiced with a gun is more likely to just pull the trigger adding random variables to the event.

Even when dealing with trained people things happen. A bullet proof vest prevents only one thing which is a shot to central body mass...The random part is that their are more then one thing that can happen during a shooting.

Originally posted by dirtybird
reply to post by ContractedMercenary

 

wouldnt she forget where the gun was? and or forget how to use it for that matter?

No sir Alzheimer affects certain parts of the brain motor functions so certain activities such as shooting a gun or loading one for that matter may be regressed or still obtainable

The people in the targets are all white also...even tho there are a lot of black and hispanic criminals (disportionately overrepresented by percentage of the population). These targets plus the approximate 2 billion rounds of ammo (much of it with hollow point bullets) are not a good combination and can be argued an intent to confront and kill americans.....no hesitation.

Originally posted by Creep Thumper

Originally posted by betadaze
Is this for real or what? I would like to see some evidence to suggest the police are really using these targets and this is not just make believe propaganda to stir things up.

In today's world threats come from every direction. Pregnant women and kids can be shooters. They are legitimate targets. Discriminating in practice is important in order to be prepared for real-world experience. A piece of paper is actually woefully inadequate for the purpose but it's what's available.

Sounds really dumb to me. Glad I don't live round there.

Well maybe it is just me, but "no hesitation" sounds like a recipe for disaster. A woman is protecting her home from intruders, they run off as cops show up on the scene, she runs after them coming outside with a shotgun. Instead of ordering her on the ground and such "showing restraint" let's just shoot first and let God sort the mess out. Yeah, that sounds so logical like.......



I wonder if police and DHS now offer bonus points for chest and head shots for the civilian targets instead of trying to instruct officers to actually assess a situation first and shoot for non vital area's after a failure to verbally resolve the situation. No, prolly not, just show "No hesitation", then laugh at the pregnant lady abdominal shot, or child with gun head shot.

During my tac pistol training they (my instructors) informed us..yet again to shoot for central mass, as it is easier to hit, and more vitals stored there. but when i hit the range i practice head shots anyways for zombie apocalypse yes many things can happen in a shootout. like the guy who drops to flat on the floor and shoots right up at u after u think he/she is down. sketchy indeed.

reply to post by CosmicCitizen


you sir indicate a very good point. if the targets were indeed black there would be an outrage from the n.a.a.c.p.

reply to post by Visitor2012

It's not about the good cops vs. bad cops, I'm arguing the need of your ENTIRE police force and the illegal statutes and laws they enforce. I'm not siding with anarchy, I believe our police is, ignorantly, leading our society to it.

I see where your going wrong, you see you should be more angry at the people who make the laws(the people you vote into office)and not the ones who enforce it, as they are just doing there jobs.

Also I have to ask do you participate in certain activities that law enforcement frown upon? You don't actually have to answer that...

I ask because most people that are law abiding have no problem with law enforcement and those who do the other seem to have a problem with law enforcement.

I have a question for you...

Would you take a job that your life is in danger and your pay isn't the best?

Think about this these people would put their lives on the line to save ungrateful humans such as yourself when the time comes, and all you see are the actions of certain law enforcement and think their all that way, sorry but next time you need law enforcement I guarantee you won't hesitate to call them.

Nothing personal just my opinion.

I'm very disturbed by the disjointed and misspelled rants of those who think this is necessary, because "targets come from everywhere", etc.

It is so impish and strange. You don't know what it's like man, you just don't understand. You better be ready to shoot a pregnant woman in the chest, and god damn practice doing it if you ever want to be a man. Don't listen to those people telling you it's not necessary or weird, you just cut that out of your mind son and you do what needs to be done when the time comes. Shooting children and pregnant women in a playground.

ATS needs a "human identification badge" at log-in. I'm just a little hesitant on confirming that every comment I read, is being authored by an actual human-being...

Originally posted by guymontag
I'm very disturbed by the disjointed and misspelled rants of those who think this is necessary, because "targets come from everywhere", etc.

It is so impish and strange. You don't know what it's like man, you just don't understand. You better be ready to shoot a pregnant woman in the chest, and god damn practice doing it if you ever want to be a man. Don't listen to those people telling you it's not necessary or weird, you just cut that out of your mind son and you do what needs to be done when the time comes. Shooting children and pregnant women in a playground.

ATS needs a "human identification badge" at log-in. I'm just a little hesitant on confirming that every comment I read, is being authored by an actual human-being...

WTH are you talkin about you first big paragraph starts with a word which is misused and makes you look like a fool.

It is so impish and strange. So by our own words what is so mischievous-es or strange??? Again your making huge assumptions in which you use to make your point look valid when in reality its so extreme you refuse to actually see what these targets are used for to begin with.,.

I think something should be brought up as I have yet seen anyone speak on this...

In the targets with the people pointing guns at you... Do you see the key word here pointing a gun at you...

I am to believe law enforcement is trained not to shoot unless you feel yours or other citizens (ones not pointing a gun at you)lives are in danger. Like I said I am to believe and I could be wrong, but if one points a gun at them there is a split second decision to be made.

Now if you have someone standing there not pointing a gun at you there is a better chance to talk the situation down rather than have it escalate. There is nothing one can say that justifies someone pointing a gun at law enforcement, in fact law enforcement is trained to identify themselves and it is up to the one pointing the gun at law enforcement as to whether there is an escalation.

Like I said before I could be wrong, but highly unlikely...

reply to post by ContractedMercenary


What word do you claim I misused? Impish or disjointed? Both are very appropriate in my opinion.

Have you even considered the fact that I simply do not care what your reasoning is for using these 'targets'? Rather, maybe you should realize I'm just telling you it is flat out wrong and inappropriate.

Nothing you will ever say, no matter how hard you struggle to say it, will ever convince me something like this is necessary. Ever. Go ahead and bang your fists on a wall trying, it's not going to happen.

reply to post by tsurfer2000h


Yes, the targets are pointing guns, that is why they're targets. That much is obvious.

The problem lies within conditioning armed personnel to shoot children, pregnant women and mothers at a nursery/playground. If the training was simply for "armed targets" as you suggested, then standard silhouettes would be sufficient.

Frankly, I don't see any agencies even buying these for training. My problem isn't there, as it won't happen. My problem is this current discussion and my shocking realization that people came in here to justify it.

reply to post by tsurfer2000h

There is nothing one can say that justifies someone pointing a gun at law enforcement, in fact law enforcement is trained to identify themselves and it is up to the one pointing the gun at law enforcement as to whether there is an escalation.

How about when you are faced with the same sort of law enforcement that shoots (with a sniper rifle) an unarmed woman, holding a baby in her arms through the neck , and your teenaged son in the back as he runs away from them? (RUBY RIDGE)

What if you are faced with a crew of law enforcement officers that arrive in a cattle truck and end up indiscriminately firing thousands of rounds of small arms ammo through a building that has numerous children inside that they are fully aware of?? (WACO)

What if you are faced with the type of law enforcement that beat, tase and shoot innocent people every week??? (watch the news.... google 'police shoot unarmed man, etc....)

Maybe there are some times when the scum should have a gun pointed at them!

Sure, intellectually we understand that LEOs need to train for a-symmetrical situations, and judgement *should* be their first priority - not this current mindset of "shoot first, ask questions later." This post, in a roundabout way, reminds me of one I wrote several years ago about LEOs having a lower IQ then the general population. The post wasn't derogatory in spirit but a statement as reported that NY police candidates were turned away if they're IQ was too high (that's true in other police departments as well).

That thread: www.abovetopsecret.com...

So, what do we have today? Lots of former US military with direct combat experience looking for work, and in many cases find the policing/security field as a natural career path (sadly). Mix combat veterans with the existing lower IQs in police officers and what do you have? A deadly but dumb police force that is easily manipulated by the TPTB to carry out assaults on Americans (think the Dorner case where two newspapers ladies were shot - real smart, right).

Take that with the persuasive mentality that a cop believes "he is always right" and when he breaks into your home under false pretenses (trumped up drug charges are popular) and kills you, the system will protect him because the lie he executed-on goes all the way to the top, where now courts will support the lie and prosecuting the cop becomes impossible because of the web of manufactured deceit (remember, he's not smart enough to know the difference or use judgement, just following orders and in a total reactive state).

What does this have to do with the targets? It's part of larger scheme to brainwash already vulnerable cops (what's the divorce rate in that field, again?) into acting on grossly illegal behavior.

That said, I'm not anti-police or anything... but the trend exists demonstrating a dumbed-down police force who are scared and shooting first.