Meteorite Crashes in Russia

Originally posted by zoomer72

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by zoomer72

 

No Phage im no engineer, but can you explain me why too much load would bring down one piece of the roof

Oh. I got the impression you were since you stated so definitively that it could not happen. As to why? As I said, a weak point anywhere in the roof structure.

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Maybe you should take a closer look how the roof or the whole building is constructed....
a strain would of caused the whole roof would to come down not just part of the roof ,if this was build as a dome or hall it would of come down but as you see in the pictures just the middle part of the roof is down and that just cant happen unless something comes through it at high velocity....

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Ps your link wasnt from the russian factory today? aye?

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Really?





That is just a couple from hundreds of images from Google........

Am I the only one that finds all these events weird? Pope resigned, meteorites do a fly by, people shooting each other...crazy.


Anyway, I would totally freak if that happened in Portugal. Watching these vids, the light that meteorite shone was outstanding, it was like watching a full day go by in seconds.
But wasn't this meteorite supposed to be farther away from earth? Why did it explode? (I do not know a lot about these things).

reply to post by theabsolutetruth

Even if the one chunk had two vapour trails it is UNLIKELY that they would be identical in exactly the same way, look close at the vapour pic I posted, they even have identical inclines and vapourisation at a sudden point, this is highly irregular.

I would rather look at the video, it gives a better idea of what the trail(s) looked like. The two streams don't look "identical" but if it was a single object making two trails it makes sense that they would have the same "incline".

It is strange but it happens in Honduras fairly often just google” honduras meteorite” and you will see.

Here is a vid from a month ago.

reply to post by zoomer72

Ps .Your link wasnt from the russian factory today? aye

No, it wasn't. It was an example of a weak point failure. You said such a thing can't happen. It can and does.

reply to post by eriktheawful


I'm no expert in structural engineering but most structures are designed with redundancies so if one member or section fails, the other supporting structures should still support the weight. A total collapse is rare and structural engineers will be in big doo doo if they did not design to normal codes.

In the stadium collapse video it seems like the snow load was way too much for the soft roof layer and eventually ripped. Snow loads are designed based on averages so extreme weather conditions could potentially cause damage.

reply to post by Grimpachi

That would be a sunlit contrail, not a meteor.

reply to post by eriktheawful


The thing breaking into pieces isn't in question, the IDENTICAL contrails are.

Even if you burn something with the same mass and energy in the same trajectory, velocity etc, the contrails will always differ. The identical nature of those is contrary to real life nature truths and the laws of physics and chemistry.

One would have to ask if there were two IDENTICAL APPENDAGES making these contrails, most asteroids and their fragmentaion in the atmosphere are IRREGULAR and their contrails IRREGULAR.

As for the ice hole it would also show more irregularities, whether from resultant energies or impact, chances are, even a vertical fragment wouldn't have created such an exact circle, no ice fragmentation, no jaggedness, no ice build from splashes, no ice displacement.

Originally posted by ChesterJohn

Originally posted by rockymcgilicutty
reply to post by Creep Thumper

 

Sure didn't you see the video's? The trails could be plainly seen ,meaning the object had already passed.The sonic boom came afterward's.I.E the meteor was traveling faster than the speed of sound.

light travels faster than sound. the actual event happened pretty fast flash with smoke, and then just smoke. depending on how far away your were as to how long it took before you heard the report.

Just like when you see lightening and then count till you hear the thunder.

In the post you jumped we were talking about Sonic Boom's. Not the explosion.

All I know is if that was me the moment that meteorite came into view, with the big meteor coming close today and the pope quitting, I would of no doubt thought those were my final moments

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by prophetboy12

 

Been hearing that crap for over 20 years now. The end is near, the end is near! Well the end must be an obese sloth, cuz it's slow as hell.

Yup I agree. I kind of miss the days when they stood on the streets with signs now they crowd the internet.

Originally posted by theabsolutetruth
reply to post by eriktheawful

 

The thing breaking into pieces isn't in question, the IDENTICAL contrails are.

Even if you burn something with the same mass and energy in the same trajectory, velocity etc, the contrails will always differ. The identical nature of those is contrary to real life nature truths and the laws of physics and chemistry.

One would have to ask if there were two IDENTICAL APPENDAGES making these contrails, most asteroids and their fragmentaion in the atmosphere are IRREGULAR and their contrails IRREGULAR.

As for the ice hole it would also show more irregularities, whether from resultant energies or impact, chances are, even a vertical fragment wouldn't have created such an exact circle, no ice fragmentation, no jaggedness, no ice build from splashes, no ice displacement.

Take a really good look at those parallel contrails......they are not identical at all.

The only thing they have in common is that they follow the same path.

A object smashing into a ice covered lake is going to release energy.....If it's a vertical or inclined path, and has a high enough velocity, that energy will radiate outward in a 360 deg pattern, and it will do so following the plane of the ice.

A larger, slower moving object will not release enough energy to do that, and yes, you would get jagged edges or a result that is not a circle.

reply to post by theabsolutetruth

Even if you burn something with the same mass and energy in the same trajectory, velocity etc, the contrails will always differ. The identical nature of those is contrary to real life nature truths and the laws of physics and chemistry.

Did you see the video?
www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by zoomer72


no, these are buildings who's roof did a partial collapse, and as you can see, the whole roof did not come down nor the structure....

that is what you are claiming that the zinc factory's roof should have done.

I'm giving you examples that your absolute statement is not true.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by zoomer72

 

Ps .Your link wasnt from the russian factory today? aye

No, it wasn't. It was an example of a weak point failure. You said such a thing can't happen. It can and does.

Naw Phage, i never said that could not happen, i said it seems unlikely that it happened at this time at that factory? why did you link some irrelevant photos of some places that have nothing to do with this? why not the ones that matter? Are you actually saying Russian building is so bad that sonic boom brings even factories down? come on....

Here is a 4:30 video compilation of the event. I'm still having a hard time comprehending the concept of energy impact. I hear at least 9 explosions. How does that happen? It was one meteor (grant it...in several pieces) and one city so why so many explosions? Scary event for sure especially those who didn't realize what happened or saw the meteor in the first place.

Last informations from Spaceweather are quite interesting :

"The asteroid was about 15 meters in diameter and weighed approximately 7000 metric tons.

It struck Earth's atmosphere at 40,000 mph (18 km/s) and broke apart about 12 to 15 miles (20 to 25 km) above Earth's surface.

The energy of the resulting explosion was in the vicinity of 300 kilotons of TNT."

spaceweather.com...

So much much bigger and powerful than first estimations...Compare this to the poor 7 kilotons of the North Korean nuclear test , it makes me contemplative...How can NASA and his NEO program could have missed that 15 meters bugger while they can detect 5/6 meters incoming debris or asteroids?

reply to post by Phage


Thanks I thought it was up for to long. Anyway you should still google the amount of meteors that Honduras gets one hit the month before I went down their and hunters were gathered there searching for it. It isnt a country that you want to vacation at if you can help it. I was going to Roatan so it is a bit different from the mainland.