Meteorite Crashes in Russia

The only way the Russian meteorite might be connected to DA14 is if both are parts of cometary debris and we're passing through the debris field (as is the case with all the annual meteor showers). However, since DA14 is a recorded NEO that's passed by Earth before, that's clearly not the case.

Fact is, large bolides occurs many times a year and NEOs pass by several times a year. The only 'coincidence' is that DA14 happens to be passing closer than most other NEOs and the Russian bolide was a bit bigger than most we've seen, and happened to hit a populated region rather than, say, Antarctica or the middle of the Pacific.

Originally posted by nerdyclutzyblonde
RSOE EDIS just put out on the "Cuban Meteorite".

hisz.rsoe.hu...

I think some people are so busy bickering they don't even realize there was ANOTHER huge meteor spotted in Cuba
Can't wait for the next official NASA diagram. They'll have the asteroid to the west, the Russian meteor to the south and the Cuban one from the east and all unrelated to one another.

Let's all just get through this weekend unscathed. That's all I have to add.

Here is some more footage

Originally posted by whyamIhere

The hole doesn't look quite right to me.

(saying this like I know what the hell the hole should look like)

It looks so perfect... Explanation Please?

RT and other sites are reporting multiple impact points. The meteorite broke up before impacting earth, which is actually quite common from what I've read. The hole in the ice is the impact site of just one of those pieces. It was obviously hot burning through our atmosphere, and melted its way through. There are divers dispatched to the site (an collection folks going to the other sites) so that they can get the pieces for further study. We'll likely be seeing photos of the pieces in a few more hours. Once they realized that this was a natural object and not of human origin, the wall of secrecy came down rather quickly.

Give it a little time, and we'll start seeing video and pictures of these meteorites from the people out there finding them. People are naturally interested in these sorts of things and want to share them with the world. Just look at all the video and photos that people took as it was happening. We live in a world where people have HD cameras in their pockets now and can share anything they film with the world with a few clicks. The fact that we're able to find out about this in near-real-time is a real testament for technology and our interconnected world.

First. This impactor came down at the same latitude as Moscow. 55 deg. N. Lat.. Since the Earth is a moving, spinning target, a little time later, and we could have had a SHTF episode. Second. DA 14 is flying past from the South, and this impactor came in from the West/North part of the sky. Third. They still may be related, if in a few months past, some curious gravitational torus deflected a series of these rocks and now they are coming at us from different directions. Can anyone say the alignments of 12-21-12? That's when the larger planets in our system lined up. I.O.W., "the Ides of March (Mayans) have come Caesar, but are not past". Fourth. We just may be entering a cluttered area of space rocks. Two of these biggies, so close together, doesn't bode well, IMHO.

If it had come down much farther West, it could have messed up Copenhagen, Edinburgh, Glasgow, but would have missed the North Coast of Ireland. The really curious thing is that no one knows right now, if the collapsed brick building at that Zinc Plant, was from a physical impact, or just the shock waves from the incoming meteorite, which passed overhead.

Right now the apologists are saying there is no relation with DA 14, and the astronomers who are looking farther afield, for some possible gravitational connections, are saying "Maybe".

Originally posted by winofiend

Originally posted by solargeddon
Dude! I have read....I am only putting out info which is out there, I agree looking at the pretty diagrams, but my post, and the one I quoted in a reply are experts saying they can't rule anything out 100%.

Don't hate the player, hate the game.

At this stage it is not beyond the relm of doubt that the two aren't linked, until then, my point still stands.

The only way in which these two things are even remotely possibly slightly considerably related is that they are both space objects. That is where it ends.

Unless a billion years ago they were on a collision course and it set them both in motion on their current, and entirely dissimilar, orbits.

You are aware that the only reason we know about DA14 is because a Spanish dentist took up amateur astronomy last year, right? If it weren't for him, all we'd be talking about now is the meteorite strike.

And we still would not have had any way to know about it until it hit.

So, no. there is no possibility, given the observed trajectory of the objects, that they are in any way related to each other beyond being in space.

Now why don't you work on the people who think this should have been a predictable event, you will have more luck

Ohhh god no.. I can't do that. I have a hard time remaining within the T&C because the insanity confounds my better judgement. That's why I'm not responding to some posters.. I may be twisted, but I'm not a masochist.

Oo

edit on 15-2-2013 by winofiend because: he wasnt french.. oi oi !

Of course this is all in your "opinion," as per the information made available to you.

Not saying your perspective is wrong, but I'm not going to dissmiss the open minded approach some of the experts are taking either.

Always be a masochist...make life more interesting!

reply to post by AndyMayhew


How can DA14 relate to this. DA14 isn't even at it's closest point yet, in about an hour and half

Can someone please tell me Obama is in Denver yet?? Find the elite now! Or lets just hope this meteor shower stops soon.

reply to post by winofiend

Fun with simple math.

2012 DA14 has a velocity of 7.82km/s relative to Earth.
The meteor struck at what, about 15 hours before closest approach of the satellite? Ignoring the fact that the meteor came from the direction of the Sun and the asteroid is passing on the opposite side, this would mean that if the two objects were on similar orbits the meteor would have to have been more than 400,000 km in front of the asteroid.

Sort of hard to connect the two, even if they were on the same orbit. Which they weren't.

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
is there a live feed topic, tired of bouncing all over the forum waiting for one.
thanks

Russia Today

rt.com...

A seismograph image of the event.

Initial reports pegged the explosion as similar to a magnitude 2.7 shaker, according a seismograph released by the USGS. For comparison, the 1908 Tunguska meteor blast's shock waves, which flattened 80 million trees in Siberia, produced the equivalent of an estimated 5.0 temblor.

Source


Judging by the looks of it, the meteorite wasn't as violent as past events. Still goes to show how powerful such and event can be. The injury rate seems to be going up as well, 1,200 I believe.

Originally posted by Movhisattva
reply to post by eriktheawful

 

There's the hole in the ice.
Then there's the zinc factory, a ice hockey stadium and supposedly some six other pieces that hit ground.

That's the issue I have.

I posted a pic of the factory and it looked to me that the meteor took the top of the factory clean off. Meaning it was already low hanging.

Now with a trajectory being almost parallel to the horizon of the earth, to remove the top of the factory off, how the hell does the same meteor make an almost perfectly round hole in the ice?

I am call BS

I would personally concluded that same meteor would have torn an elongated whole many meters long, in the ice, consistent with the trajectory.

Math would probably help us out. Pinpoint lake hole, then pinpoint factory and do equation.

reply to post by winofiend


lots of cloud cover here
i hope it clears up within the next hour
the article i read also said it will be visible for 1 hour approx.

reply to post by Human_Alien


I just spotted it and was like WTF?! But I think the problem with RSOE it's impossible to tell whether the time given is the incident occurrence time or the incident reported time.... CitizenoftheWorld has mentioned this Cuba incident may have actually happened on Wednesday

Originally posted by DarthFazer
Here is some more footage

Well, the birds werechirping.....wow! Thats amazing. Just imagine what DA14 would sound like! Scary...

reply to post by Realtruth

Rocks break up when the enter the atmosphere.
They break up into many pieces.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by Realtruth

 

Rocks break up when the enter the atmosphere.
They break up into many pieces.

edit on 2/15/2013 by Phage because: (no reason given)

Good point.

Didn't think of that, so there are most likely many touchdown spots

reply to post by Human_Alien


translate.google.com... o-celeste-explode-sobre-vila-no-interior-de-cub%2F581697%2F

this link says the cuban thing was on wed?!?!

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by winofiend

 

Fun with simple math.

2012 DA14 has a velocity of 7.82km/s relative to Earth.
The meteor struck at what, about 15 hours before closest approach of the satellite? Ignoring the fact that the meteor came from the direction of the Sun and the asteroid is passing on the opposite side, this would mean that if the two objects were on similar orbits the meteor would have to have been more than 400,000 km in front of the asteroid.

Sort of hard to connect the two, even if they were on the same orbit. Which they weren't.

edit on 2/15/2013 by Phage because: (no reason given)

I think you'll find your post is aimed at me, and like I have already said, I thought it was worth a look, purely because it is some scientists who are saying there may be a connection.

I have already stated my inclination toward the diagrams being accurate, but if the boffs are exploring the possibilities, then we in turn should do the same.