Our greatest fears of what is out there?

No fear only faith.

It really can move mountains, because it already has.

"What is man that thou art mindful of him, and the son of man that thou hath visited him?"

It's a celebration of all ages.

We just need to catch up to it all and join the party, because the whole party was always prepared for we ourselves upon entering in!

And I am your doorman.

The joke is on us - care to have a drink?




No fear only faith. Why? Because the universe IS friendly and because we are already included. So what's to be afraid of and why should we let our little hearts be troubled? Eh?

We must have the courage to find the door and go on in, and in that domain all fear passes away, even the fear of death, as God becomes our very condition, and there's only one condition and one God after all, so there HERE we are at the end of time in the love of Christ himself, in me and you - what'ya wanna do now?

It's an invitation to play and to recover and express our inner child.

That, is what's on the other side of, all our worst fears, including the fear of Babylon itself!

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You write beautifully.

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Thanks. My goal if there is one is (which there always has to be) is to try to make you both cry, and, laugh your tail off, until those same tears of sorrow turn to tears of joy, then tears of absolute hilarity (when you cannot stop laughing), anything to get you there, get us there, me and you there, to that place where we belong (west virginia, mountain mama take me home, take me home).






(no more tears!)



You never know, the human being's capacity of laughing at himself might very well be the most powerful "weapon" of warfare in the entire universe -like a human stand up comedian reminding everyone to just get over themselves, starting with himself, being last who are first.

Now that's power!

This sword of devastating self-humor I therefore extend to you on bended knee (be careful with it because it slicess both ways), and, if there still are any demons remaining then by God let them TREMBLE at the sound of our own goodnatured, uproarious laughter, as we claim and proclaim our very birthrite, prepared for everyone, from the time before time (moment of creation).

Wouldn't that be something. A mere joke, capable of saving the world, and maybe paving the way for us to reach for and receive the stars - that's the way I see it, that there's no going anywhere without our uniquely human sense of humor mirth and charm because if we ever lose that, then while we may gain the universe we would forfeit our own soul.

Now there's a fear - being lost in space with zero sense of humor and love, but trapped in such a way that you cannot die.

Personally I like being found again by what is real, and that can only occur as a human experience. Therefore I am very very VERY grateful to be alive as a human being it really means everything.


God Bless (it's already happening anyway),

NAM

Originally posted by AnonLover

With all religious stuff aside, its not illogical to think that homo sapien is the only one that evolved this far. (Current Space Tech) I mean... as far as complex life, we could be the only ones. What if?

Actually it is pretty illogical to think, here is why!

www.youtube.com...

"To be is to be perceived."

It's even the axiom of modern physics itself, which makes it all the more frightening still.

This is our greatest fear I think and intuit.

That we are all our brother's keeper and therefore at some level we are all responsible, to one degree or another for the entire human condition, but more humiliating still everything that goes on here, emanates from the depths of the human heart (including our own) and reverberates at all levels and throughout all the spheres and eternity by virtue of our prior inclusion in the whole process, as if man matters, and, if that weren't enough the fear that we have actually been given some sort of unfathomable assignment, to work with God in laying down the foundation of heaven on earth!

We're afraid of blowing the assignment. And we're afraid that if we accept it, we won't be accepted i.e.: called insane, because to do it and go through with it requires by neccessity that we must "lose our minds" and as it may appear to the others who are not yet self-realized, "go insane", or be utterly "mad".

But this you see, is the GOOD NEWS as Jesus might say, realized ("so rejoice and be exceedingly glad), because it means, if you are being persecuted in some way for the sake of what is right (righteousness), then you are the yeast in the dough (doh!), the salt of the earth, the very light of the world with Christmind itself as the light of life.

Re: Madness, the following that I read not too long ago (found it here at ATS) was a real source and fount of inspiration for me (that I'm not talking nonsense and that I'm not really insane, a fearful proposition in and of itself, eh?).

from Eco-Doom or Redemption: The Mad Movement and the Sixties' Counter-Culture Project

My recently published book The Spiritual Gift of Madness: The Failure of Psychiatry and the Rise of the Mad Pride Movement is based upon an unusual proposition, which is at the heart of the conviction that inspires the book: Many of those persons who have been labeled "mentally ill" by the psychiatric system -- whom I prefer to call mad persons -- have had spiritual experiences or visions, often messianic, and thus they have an important contribution to make to the redemption of humanity, to the redemption of the earth. Or to put it in other words, many of them could be the prophets or midwives of the new age, the messianic age. I cannot help but recall the often repeated words of the first mad person I ever met (this was during my college years, decades ago): "I am the mother of the new messianic age."

Messianism originated in the Western world with Judaism. Martin Buber, generally considered the greatest Jewish philosopher of the 20th century, believed messianism was Judaism's "most profoundly original idea" (Lowy 47-70) The "coming of the Messiah," understood literally by Jewish people for centuries, was for Buber, a non-observant but pious Jew and a socialist, a metaphor for the advent of messianic age, to be brought about by God and man. As Buber saw it messianism was Judaism's gift to humanity

Eugen Rosenstock-Huessey, a Christian philosopher (a Jewish convert) and contemporary of Buber's, described the emergence of the messianic sensibility, "Unlike other tribal or imperial people the Jews broke with the narrative that life and death, peace and war were inevitable cycles. Instead of merely longing for a lost golden age, they staked their entire existence on a future reign of righteousness and peace" (Cristuado 247). The historian of religion Mircea Eliade has noted that human beings from the beginning of history have been haunted by the mythical remembrance of a pre-historical happiness, a golden age -- thus we harbor an abiding nostalgia for paradise. Judaism was the first religion to convert this nostalgia into the belief that this mythical paradise will be realized in history as the Kingdom of God on earth. History is the realm of redemption.

According to messianic thinkers, both Jewish and Christian, our state of conflict with the world, our mortality and suffering is not a permanent human condition but is a result of our historical estrangement from God. The Kingdom of God, the reunion of God and humanity, is the remedy: "For the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea" (Isaiah 11:9). Buber emphasized that this was not a matter of gradual progress but something "sudden and immense" (Lowy 52). In Isaiah God says, "I create new heavens and a new earth." The long awaited age of peace and happiness is called the "day without evening" in Eastern Christianity, thus connoting a state of immortality. Even in the Indian Vedas we find evidence of the messianic longing in the symbol of a new beginning also connoting immortality, "the eternal dawn." The messianic age is universally described as the union of heaven and earth.

More than any other religious Jewish thinker, Buber placed the active participation of human beings -- as God's partners -- at the heart of messianism. "God has no wish for any other means of perfecting his creation than by our help. He will not reveal his Kingdom until we have laid its foundations" (Farber 90). In the early 1920s Buber stated, "We are living in an unsaved world, and we are waiting for redemption in which we have been called upon to participate in a most unfathomable way" (Lowy 53). Buber regarded Jesus as a great Jewish prophet but not the messiah -- because we have not been saved. Christians think Jesus will come again to usher in the Kingdom of God, and esoteric Christians like Carl Jung (Pinchbeck 2007) think those in whom the Christ consciousness is born will complete Jesus' work. In any case although Buber's interpretation of Christianity is questionable, some of his comments still ring true -- we are living in an unsaved world, and we are still longing for redemption.
In 1926 Buber wrote that the Jewish people were "the human community" that is the carrier of "the messianic expectation . . . this belief in the still-to-be-accomplished . . . world redemption" (Lowy 53). But today it is not the Jews who hold this expectation. Sadly Jews betrayed their claim to be the messianic people when they substituted the tribalist project of the creation of the Jewish state of Israel for the universal reign of peace and justice (Farber, 2005).

Today it is the mad who are the carriers of the messianic expectation. Not all of them, probably not most of them, but some of them, many of them. I believe that those among the mad who embrace their madness and proudly affirm it, those who cherish their messianic visions and mystical experiences, will be the leaders of the messianic transformation of which humanity has dreamed for centuries. This is why I am advocating a new "third wing," a messianic wing of the Mad Pride movement.

www.realitysandwich.com...

imho, it's both utterly astonishing and utterly hilarious both at the same time, and yet the only rational and reasonable thing that is worthwhile in life, so it's the treasure found (and whole field purchased), the precious pearl found and bought at last (by selling everything else).

Oh God!

Heh, that calls for some more John Denver! (go to 1:23-1:29)






Sorry for hijacking the thread - back to our greatest fears of evil aliens and the dark unknown of cosmic infinitudes..

In what I assume is the true spirit of the thread I'll throw in a few boogeymen:

How about a killer germ that rides in on a small meteorite, (or inside of one) that somehow manages to survive impact. This virus once contracted is able to automate the host and communicate with others of it's kind. Like the aliens in Body Snatchers, the Faculty, or Dream-catcher, the Thing. Something that remains unseen until the trap is sprung. That stuff is fairly horrible.

Or... A necrotic and rotting yet still living life-form, like some kind of undying bio-mechanical juggernauts that are trying to organ harvest and make prosthesis from anything they encounter. They create death. All that they touch withers and dies only to pro-generate their kind. Their technology is as vast as their callousness.

Most any intelligent/stronger version of something that is a natural enemy to mammals like reptiles or insects makes for great bad guys. The antagonist draconian species in the V franchise is pretty horrifying, reptilian shape-shifters with powerful mind control technology arrive with a message of peace. That's a no-win situation.

Of course these are all just ETI types...

Originally posted by Char-Lee
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My greatest fear is that there are more just like us.

I understood why you would say that first when i noticed you where from the U.S.A.....

Wouldn´t want someone else policing you eh?

longing for redemption

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That is the key. Man wanted to be ruled by his own kind, he got his wish and was proved horribly wrong in that wish.
Now we long to be ruled by someone who is outside greed and monitory motive and favoritism and cruelty. There are no humans like that. We beg for the return.

Theres no hope of evolving past these bags of fluid to find whats out there if we are manipulated by fear. We are not the most evolved. Just something to think about.

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We are the return, and that's what scares us the most, our own true self as child of God (creative infinite intelligence responsible for our "predicament"), but the one who's scared, who's afraid is only the one who made the terrible mistake and locked up his own inner child for ransom to the lowest bidder (pathetic egoic attachements ie: inauthentic self and all compensating insecurities). So you see it IS a joke shared with God at the expense of everything that was absurd, including our own worst fears of dualistic projection, to avoid at any and all cost a recognition and realization of our true condition, and there's only one condition and only one God.

Duality, which was allowed to creep in distorted our whole POV and outlook, but it all comes back around full circle for a return, and so we eventually break apart and are are reborn to God, and to our most authentic self, who's "scary" only in the sense that it's the living God as the spirit of the universe (and spirit of love), in a domain of unconstrained and unfettered freedom to freely explore the real reality on the other side of all our fears and deflections and projections.

“God has given you a spirit with wings on which to soar into the spacious firmament of Love and Freedom. Is it not pitiful than that you cut your own wings with your own hands and suffer your soul to crawl like an insect upon the earth?”

~ Kahlil Gibran, from "The Prophet"

We were insane.

That's our greatest fear. It's not in outer space, but innerspace, no longer evolution but involution unto the point of a collective universal epiphany, at the expense of everything that was utterly absurd and ridiculous, by comparison (who we were or used to be).

So the joke is that there was never anything to fear to begin with! nor could there be from the POV of our already always state of mind and being, which by it's very nature cannot and never was an imposition up the mind of man!

And if that doesn't make you laugh and cry and then cry and laugh some more, at the joke of the ages capable of saving our souls and by extension the world at large, then I don't know what will.

And it (the joke) can be told in a whole host of ways and "gotten" based on an infinitude of unique personal spiritual experiences, because each person is screwed up in their own unique personal way, thus the "double bind" when it unravels will evoke a type of laughter and "punch line" utterly unique to each person..

We can't NOT get it, in the final analysis, especially given all the contrast according to the prior duality of a an utterly false perception of ourselves and the world and whole cosmos that we inhabit as a non-local holographic universe where by virtue of it's non-local holographic nature - LOCAL MATTERS!


It's incredibly sad, grave and utterly hilarious, this joke. It really does raise the roof, and then some, changes everything.

It (comprehending it) makes you look at everything in a whole new light. It does me.

The "second coming" is always coming because God is always he who was, who is and who is to come and when he comes he comes quickly, to save us from the loss of our own sense of humor and fearless charm.

The Spirit and the bride say, "Come!" And let him who hears say, "Come!" Whoever is thirsty, let him come; and whoever wishes, let him take the free gift of the water of life.The Spirit and the bride say, "Come!" And let him who hears say, "Come!" Whoever is thirsty, let him come; and whoever wishes, let him take the free gift of the water of life.

~ Revelation of John, 22:17

I am the bride of Christ (however um cough imperfect a wife), and this is a free and non-coercive invitation of all ages, the thing you were born to receive and the free gift of eternal life which was delivered to you from the very origin of all creation and therefore from the time before time.

Christ is the door itself, and I am the doorman.

C'mon in and join in the celebration of the ages and a universal party table set and prepared for none other than you yourself, after you enter the room blindfolded, and then to the surprise that it was you everyone was waiting for, all along!

C'mon in and have a drink. On tonights menu we wil be serving lamb and a whole host of delights for your spiritual sustenance and everlasting satisfaction.

opens door __/

(that's doorman-style glasses and goatee).

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'Future human beings' will not have to go anywhere.

Nor will they have anything to fear.

And anyway what fear can there be that is not already here?

Fear of the unknown...or the known...same thing.

There is nothing to fear.

reply to post by Char-Lee
My greatest fear is that we live in a snow globe.

My greatest fear, as far as the Op goes, is not that we're the only ones, or that others in the universe may be violent and self serving. It is that they are there, but will never reach us due to the vast expanses of the universe. To really understand it, you have to look at scale representations of the universe. There's one, and I can't remember the site name, if I find it later I'll post it here. It spans from the sub-atomic level, up to the largest known things in the universe. It's pretty humbling to look at.

Originally posted by Tarzan the apeman.
reply to post by Char-Lee

 

My greatest fear is that we live in a snow globe.

Computer simulation likely, pretty close to the same thing...
Your avatar is the cutest!

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Impossible. The statistics won't even allow it. The occurrence of the Big Bang itself - indeed, the existence of the universe itself - is a statistical outrage. Therefore, for mankind to be the only life - indeed, sentient life - is an even greater statistical outrage than the very existence of the universe itself or the Big Bang. In short, outrageous and mind-blowing. Mankind cannot be the only life or sentient life in the entire universe (which is a very, very, very vast place - an understatement); not to mention how young our actual planet is...

my greatest fear would be "them" having a silly monetary system like ours...
oh stop it. *blush

I'm not sure what scares me the most. Finding out we are alone, finding out that we are worth nothing in the game of life and that nobody is gonna save us because of our greed, or finding out that we are indeed a game of life of a bigger sentient being and we have no way to escape.

What angers me is that we, as humans, should only work to progress in science and knowledge, without being stressed about the mere economics. We shouldn't work to pay taxes and be slaves of ourselves, only to progress and to be useful to the others. Instead, we have a lot of powers that keeps us behind, as if someone is not interested in evolving.

As of today, we have a lot of technology that can really make our life better, but money and greed are our worst enemy.

Originally posted by tyltyl
As of today, we have a lot of technology that can really make our life better, but money and greed are our worst enemy.

..until we get the joke at the end of it all at power and greed's expense (when it's all brought to light)! Then it might serve us in some areas as a stark constrast in terms of what not to do and how not to be. It's not all funny I realize of course, but the principal at the heart of it is however grave the circumstances may appear.

Thank you power and greed for being so pathetic and hilarious and so devastating (the case against you) in the present light of historical truth, hey you lost, what can you do but thanks for playing, not such a good job, maybe it's time to try something new?

They dropped the ball the "keepers of the flame" (whoever they are or may be), so now it's all up in the air and "out of control", but as Terrance McKenna pointed out "if it's all out of control then who's control is it out of?"

History, modern history made an absolute fool out of the human being, but it's certainly provided a lot of good entertainment, and humor at all human ignorance and folly's expense.

So if there's some guy out there with say a trillion dollars, if I get the last laugh then tell me who is the richer?

Oh he can still save his soul maybe it's not too late, but at least we know that we did our part and fessed up to our own stupidity and selfishness in the whole mess, and that's good news if you place it relative to a universal principal or standard of truth, justice and love and find yourself already on the right side of the equation.

So to "them" (if there is a "they") I have only one thing to say, other than to flee all corruption.

Be not afraid.

It's a double bind of sorts..

What should be afraid you see is everything that's ludicrous and absurd in the light of truth, that it might get laughed to smitherines.

But, since it cannot remain hidden forever, the comedic impulse in a spirit of self acceptance and forgiveness and unconditional love, to break through the fear in order to be heard (brought to light), has to have sufficient courage to risk self-deprecation and the potential for rejection and humiliation, so it's a fount of humor in self-forgiveness at our own absurdity's expense. It's the "humor of understanding" because it's the knowledge of actual experience (a smile and laughter) shared as both a personal and a collective realization (spiritual experience), welling up in jokes told at ourselvesa and one another's expense i.e: by taking ourselves lightly and our prior ignorance and our own responsibility for it very seriously.

It's a twinkle in the eye (from one person's eye to the other), the love in the heart (by taking ourselves and our life lightly), but it's also spread out across the whole of it all with the earth and the human being playing some unfathomably mysterious, but uniquely intrinsic role, that we were hitherto completely unaware and on recognition terrified that it's all on us and omg what should i do now? LOL

Acceptance is the highest form of love, and forgiveness the height of absolute liberation and unfettered unconstrained freedom and power, but power of another kind, the power to choose wisely and with awareness and understanding and the absolute acceptance of one's true..condition.

What is poor fear and ignorance to do?





It (truth and love) breaks us apart breaks us down and picks us up and reassembles at the same time it's that fast, instantaneous, like the twinkle of an eye (that's in the prophecy too).

Let it come, oh God the time has come, pour your spirit of truth, wisdom, and humor, out onto us lowly people in need of your transformative mercy and grace and make us and everything new again. It's already beginning, it's already begun, in us, praise be to God, amen.

Let's hope so anyway, because ti's starting to look like a matter of life and death, but like I've pointed out, all our wisdom and understanding and comprehension is tied to our humor, so when that goes, there goes the whole ballgame and that cannot be permitted to happen under any circumstances.

So there's my greatest fear.

A collective loss of humor, on the part of the whole of humanity - that we forget how to laugh at ourselves and risk being laughed at.

That we get to the point of taking ourselves completely seriously, now that would be dangerous and very very unwise.

"Life is a Mighty Joke. He who knows this can hardly be understood by others. He who does not know it finds himself in a state of delusion. He may ponder over this problem day and night, but will find himself incapable of knowing it. Why? People take life seriously, and God lightly; whereas we must take God seriously, and take life lightly. Then, we know that we always were the same and will ever remain the same.......the Originator of this joke. This knowledge is not acheived by reasoning.
But it is the knowledge of experience."

~ Meher Baba

Yes I will shut up now.

Someone goaded me on with blue stars and I couldn't help it oh well what can I do, I'm a fool for God I guess and that's ok (don't like it don't read it).

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Maybe its not that frightening, maybe we are the original intelligent beings that will populate the universe, with time people will evolve and become other species but all of them/us will come from the common human ancestor.

Meet it all head on. Don't fear the Universe or what it holds.

...and if the 1st folks we meet are bad guys.......take them for a South Texas Deathride.