Christopher Dorner in gun battle with authorities, source says

I believe that at least one of the "wallets" wasn`t actually a wallet, I think it was probably one of those little leather things that the police flip open to show their badge and police photo ID.
Without seeing pictures of these "wallets" that were found we can`t be sure that they even were "wallets" as we would normally think of a wallet.

Originally posted by starfoxxx

Originally posted by forgetmenot
Dang, I've got ten plus pages to catch up on. I'm going to go back and check it out, but could someone tell me really quick if they have or haven't found him / a body? Last I heard there were contradicting reports.

They found a charred body and I guess they found Dorners "second wallet* which has a special fire retardant on it which is basically nonburnable...

Yeah, there is an issue with the many wallets they've found, isn't there? But as for burning or not burning, that's easy. Have you ever thrown a Sears catalog or something similar into a fire? The fire doesn't burn everything to soot. It frequently chars the outside of a stack of paper and leaves the inside intact, or nearly so. If there was a leather wallet protected by something like, I dunno, a body, it could have survived the fire well enough.

Originally posted by schuyler

Originally posted by starfoxxx

Originally posted by forgetmenot
Dang, I've got ten plus pages to catch up on. I'm going to go back and check it out, but could someone tell me really quick if they have or haven't found him / a body? Last I heard there were contradicting reports.

They found a charred body and I guess they found Dorners "second wallet* which has a special fire retardant on it which is basically nonburnable...

Yeah, there is an issue with the many wallets they've found, isn't there? But as for burning or not burning, that's easy. Have you ever thrown a Sears catalog or something similar into a fire? The fire doesn't burn everything to soot. It frequently chars the outside of a stack of paper and leaves the inside intact, or nearly so. If there was a leather wallet protected by something like, I dunno, a body, it could have survived the fire well enough.

I believe that this statement appropriately applies in this situation:

Pics or it didn't happen?

If the wallet was in his back pocket and he died either sitting on his ass or lying on his back there's a good chance the contents of the wallet could have survived the inferno...maybe he was in a part of the house that was least effected by the fire...I dont know i'm just guessing that it would take more than a house fire to completely incinerate a guy of that size.

Originally posted by AutOmatIc
I believe that this statement appropriately applies in this situation:

Pics or it didn't happen?

So we should abandon logic? The wallet is fishy, but it not having burnt up to nothing is far from being a reason.

Given the capabilities of this former Naval Officer who was trained in Combat and was the head of base security I have to think this is all made up LAPD crap to cover them shooting the wrong person AGAIN. When you have served like Chris had, former brothers in the service would have stopped at nothing to help him out. Chris is probably siting in Mexico drinking Tequila, waiting for this to all blow over so he can sneak back in and bring justice to these corrupt SOB's.

Or this whole thing was a ruse to make Vets look bad again.

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None of this makes sense and i'm sure hes made some friends over the years. Why haven't any of them come forward?

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He wasn't trained in combat. He was Navy and had no special operational training. Here's an interesting synopsis.

Long time lurker, never posted before, but I had to when I saw this today: a number on Disqus that does not compute.

Disqus is a shady little arm of "Internet 2.0." Wifey works in web-based market research and made me privy to the capabilities in the latest internet keyword searching software. Theoretically the software is used to track Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter, YouTube, GMail, and a whole host of other sites so marketers can instantly join communications and conversations regarding their products throughout social media.

What it means is an individual could use the software to search Chris Dorner (or any similar PsyOp [real, fake, or in between, all "news media" in 2013 is PsyOps]) and be instantly capable of aggregating, observing, recording, manipulating and trolling across multiple social media sites using an infinite number of dummy accounts. Knowing the technological gap between industry and intelligence one can assume that it is assisted by artificial intelligence.

I recently came across what appears to be clear evidence of artificial intelligence being used (amateurishly) to manipulate public opinion about an awful movie. This is a screen cap of Rotten Tomatoes critic Jim Judy's comment section. All of these comments were left by artificial intelligence.

This may seem a slightly off-topic tangent, more to the point I agree with the people leaning towards wag the dog, and especially one person's astute use of the phrase "emote accordingly" in reference to the media's presentation of the facts, but I wanted to raise people's awareness to the fact that in all likelihood most, if not all, internet conversation is steered and manipulated. There is every reason to believe this story is no different.

It appears Disqus suffered an "anomaly" and we've all seen YouTube's view count manipulations, in fact I wish I'd grabbed a screen cap of the time I saw more "thumbs up" ratings for a YouTube video than supposed "views." Another curious miscalculation I'm sure. These "popularity" ratings exist and are manipulated for a purpose; the ability to pinpoint and engage in social media conversation, the presence of robo-trolls, this stuff exists.

I just wanted to bring this stuff to people's attention as we are all left trying to figure out what the hell is going on in LA, what with the city's issues with five-time shootout escaping, three-time vehicle crashing, three-time wallet dropping, Cop-Soldier-Whistleblower-Terrorists... and all. Opinions about these events could in truth sway far further from the official narrative than extant discourse would seem to illustrate.

What is absolutely certain is the club-within-a-club-within-a-fraternal-order-within-a-secret-society-within-a-secret-society we call our police force is not going to reform itself. If anything, watch these consummate misery-mongers ratchet up the abuse on the public for, I don't know, being around when this happened? Whatever their pathos-ridden pseudo-consciousnesses need to project to avoid cognitive dissonance during those brief periods of lucidity between wife-beatings, prescription drug binges, coerced sex, roid rage blackouts and providing false testimony about said events. No but I kid, there are lots of good cops. Cat's just got their tongue when all that stuff goes down, I'm sure.

Sad really, because all I ever wanted to be when I was a kid was a sheriff.

Thanks for checkin' out my first post! I know it was a bit all over the place.

Originally posted by forgetmenot

Originally posted by AutOmatIc
I believe that this statement appropriately applies in this situation:

Pics or it didn't happen?

So we should abandon logic? The wallet is fishy, but it not having burnt up to nothing is far from being a reason.

...sigh it was a joke..sometimes humor helps break up the craziness man smile a little

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Sorry, just had to type that out to show the inherent absurdity.

So I guess you don't believe that suicide bombers for Islam are told they are doing a great favor and will have 72 virgins in heaven for their efforts...

Oh you think this guy would never consider the idea of 72 virgins...but he did have some problems. He is Pro Obama and pro Gun Control and had a huge beef about racism in the dept. Look how all the gunners have been leftist radicals....Jared Loughner...lefty.... Holmes....lefty....guy who flew airplane into building....lefty...they all were left leaning libs...pro Obama...and they all seemed to have left some kind of manifesto or facebook page to tell everyone their side of the story.....even the 9/11 hijackers didn't do that...
maybe this guy really thought he could get out...or maybe he was trying to prove for gun control that it's useless for one armed civilian to go up against the authorities...and that's before the military gets involved. errrr maybe TPTB used him to prove that to people, that even a well trained guy can't get out without being destroyed.

Dorner manhunt: Incendiary tear gas reportedly used on cabin

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Originally posted by XXX777
How does a plastic drivers license survive a raging house fire?

By being inside a wallet in the back pocket of the dead person who weighed over 250 lbs....found in a sitting position. Flame requires oxygen.

24 hours later and still no decisive answer to whether a body was found or not. I'm hearing everything from there was NO body found, to there was a female body identified...

Some of the hijacker's IDs survived 9/11...

So why not Dorner's?

Like another member said, he's probably down in Mexico.

Considering the last several posts, about things surviving typical fires...

What if this fire was atypical, though? Using accelerants, etc...? Listening to the reporter describe the blaze, it went from; seeing smoke, to seeing flame, to sides engulfed to totally engulfed in a matter of minutes!

It just seems that the fire was fueled by more than just the structure and it's contents..I've seen house fires, and building fires, even a strip mall fire...But they always burned up and with the path of least resistance...This seemed to spread like it was accelerated or fanned...Was it windy there, yesterday? Probably not, considering the disregard for possible fire jumping or spreading...Even though the choper cam, showed a lot of heavy woods in the immediate vicinity...

Jus' sayin'...


GF~

Originally posted by Kituwa
Dorner manhunt: Incendiary tear gas reportedly used on cabin

"incendiary" tear gas. LOL

Originally posted by schuyler
reply to post by Patriotsrevenge

 

He wasn't trained in combat. He was Navy and had no special operational training. Here's an interesting synopsis.

That was an excellent synopsis and the most I've read about Dorner's actual training.

The problem is that we probably have the word of one delusional narcissist against the word of an entire department of delusional narcissists cancelling each other out where we'll never know who was the worst offender.

The only thing we'll know for sure is that none of them appear to be trained very well. What's up with the fact that Dorner actually hid out in a cabin just yards away from the command center for days before he tried to leave and got caught (because someone called 911)? Not to mention the poor women who were shot in the pickup truck that didn't even match the color, make or model of Dorner's.

What a cluster from beginning to end for everyone involved.

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It really doesnt make sense, any of what happened.

This is very strange. I just saw it on the news. But something doesn't add up. Why?