The One People's Public Trust & Sovereign Citizens Movement Scams Broken Down.

reply to post by Hefficide


I'm not into this OPPT or "Sovereign Citizen" stuff. I'm commenting on the concept of self governance, sovereignty, and the repercussions of not having it. If anything I think my statements would show how OPPT is a scam if only because it closely mirrors what the 'official' government already does and the 'official' government is a pyramid scheme or scam.

The main issue I have with the topic of this thread is that everyone is discussing the legality side, but no one wants to mention the irony behind someone claiming to be sovereign actually trying to use the legal system in the first place. If you're sovereign then you govern yourself, but if you're using the legal system then you're trying to govern other people, not exactly sovereign.

So I'm choosing to bring a discussion to the table regarding what sovereign is and why I think it's beneficial because "Sovereign Citizens" seem to be confusing the subject.

In a group of truly sovereign people there would be no such thing as murder, theft, rape or corruption. The reason being is that all of those things constitute governing someone else. Governing or otherwise running someone else's life. If you kill someone you're governing their life by taking it away, if you steal from someone you're governing their life by forcing your idea of who 'should' have what, if you rape someone you're forcing them into sexual relations which is obviously making their decision for them (governance) and corruption suggests that there's some avenue for corruption, but since everyone governs themselves there is simply no avenue for corruption.

reply to post by KyrieEleison

Again, you are asking people to take it on BLIND FAITH that this "loophole" exists and works. Just your word, nothing more.

And you expect people to take it on BLIND FAITH that people of high position on this site call OPPT a scam and this makes it so? Apparently, the FBI does not seem to think so!

reply to post by vkey08


Hey, you pointed out the link as being some kind of proof. I see you went back and edited that out before answering though. Anyway, you referred to it and possibly thought better of it.

Any how, all one needs to go to the FBI site and see that they do deal with scams! However, the FBI is in no way interested in going after the OPPT. Now I wonder why that would be? The obvious reason?


IT IS NOT A SCAM!!

Originally posted by ajay59
reply to post by KyrieEleison

 

Again, you are asking people to take it on BLIND FAITH that this "loophole" exists and works. Just your word, nothing more.

And you expect people to take it on BLIND FAITH that people of high position on this site call OPPT a scam and this makes it so? Apparently, the FBI does not seem to think so!

How many times does it need to be said a lot of this is just coming out, they would if they follow normal procedure, look into it, send out a warning to local and state LE first, then sometime put it up on the website, it not being there this fast is not indicative of them not thinking it's a scam, especially seeing as it is really every single one of the Sov'run scams rolled into one big nest.

But again, continue to attack, and not discuss, mock and not offer any ideas on how to verify or not this organization. Seriously, not one of us is attacking you for your thoughts yet you are taking minutia and using it to try and bolster your (and I don't even know what your point is) point to discredit anything that's put up.

Links have been given to cases, the cases have docket numbers attached, if you want to see them on the sites that handle them, you may go to the courts site and look up via those docket numbers and find the same information presented.

I am about 3 months away from retirement. I may not even make it that 3 months due to this injury, so to suggest i have "clout" is another mocking attack.. I do not always agree with my superiors, nor should I have to, I am a human being with a mind and I know how to use it. There is enough information out there for anyone to see that shows, using UCC forms and claiming that your name in all caps is indicative of being property is going to get you in trouble, plain and simple.

I am truly sorry that you cannot see through your blinding hatred for whatever it is you hate, is it women? is it the government? is it anyone who dares question someone who just claimed to foreclose on the whole planet and used aliens to teleport all the Earth's gold off world to hold? Whatever it is, it's certainly not the topic at hand or you would be able to civilly discuss that, and not have to resort to the personal attacks against me.

reply to post by ajay59


Actually I didn't edit the link out, I added the quote tags to my statement as I had forgotten them, but again, thank you for the personal attack, they really have been quite the fun this evening..

reply to post by vkey08

But again, continue to attack, and not discuss, mock and not offer any ideas on how to verify or not this organization.

Do you mean exactly as you have done to the OPPT from the opening post? I attack lies, allegations masquerading as descriptions and outright deceptive practices in general. I have nothing against you personal or anyone here for that matter. It is blatant deceit that I have a problem with and the whole mind control thing going on here.

Got my popcorn made, coffee is brewing .... anyone got a court case for me to read yet? Another federally employed gubment shill here, just wanting to see some evidence.

Originally posted by vkey08
reply to post by ajay59

 

There have been those, pointed out and sourced in this thread... Courts that have tossed out people's filings that cite the OPPT and Heather's filings as gibberish.. So please go back and read, they have been provided with docket numbers and links..

Try again.

from above in this page:

In the court's response denying the subpoenas it was stated "Ms. Tucci-Jarref appears to be the head of a mortgage-elimination scam." and the Skinner "is alleged to work in Ms. Tucci-Jarref’s office.".

edit on 23-2-2013 by vkey08 because: (no reason given)

edited to add: I'm off for the moment I have a bit of modeling to finish very quickly for a client so I can get this invoice out..

edit on 23-2-2013 by vkey08 because: (no reason given)

Do you deny that this is your post? Here, you directly referred to the above link as some type of proof! I did not attack you for someone else's post, I merely pointed out that you were trying to pass it off as if it were something official!

Originally posted by ajay59

Originally posted by vkey08
reply to post by ajay59

 

Actually I didn't edit the link out, I added the quote tags to my statement as I had forgotten them, but again, thank you for the personal attack, they really have been quite the fun this evening..

Say anything you like. I know full well I seen a direct reference to THAT link in your post and would be very obliged if another following this thread could confirm that for me. Thanks in advance!

I am getting the feeling that you are trying to set me up for a post-ban or some such nonsense since I have possibly damaged your credibility as a supposed FBI agent. Is that what you are attempting?

edit on 23-2-2013 by ajay59 because: (no reason given)

i have no way of postbanning you or otherwise, I know what i edited the post to reflect, i will gladly give you the link to OneIsOne's posting and her link as it was provided as proof that this nonsense is not being tolerated. But again, I have to continue to thank you for the evening of being personally attacked by you for no reason other than to make yourself feel good.

I'm sure had you googled the case you would have come up with the same link, but again, I was not the one who originally posted it, OneIsOne is, I wish I could take credit for that find but I cannot. She was the one who found it. She was the one who put the links up, and honestly, Crakeur also put up some links to cases, however i do not see you attacking either of them personally.

It strikes me as odd that you are attacking me as a person, rather than the topic, in fact it almost looks like in the absence of real verifiable evidence that the OPPT's information works, you have taken it upon yourself to lead a campaign against me personally.

With that I am off to finish a project, and hopefully have a nice relaxing evening, although I'm sure you'll be back with more spew directed at me, in some vain attempt to somehow show that attacking me proves that it's not a scam.

uhhg!
so i spent the day looking into a few of the supposed court cases that have been used to attempt to discredit the OPPT movement, and while the reading was quite intresting, i noticed that something was missing ...

the transcript (record) of the court cases!

there was an impressive page from canada that was written by a judge about ...
well you can see it here.
all he offered was his opinion on the cases, a couple of paragraphs of some of the supplied documents, and links to stuff like canada's constitution, or cases that refrence it.

there was no actual record of the cases involved which is highly suspicious, knowing that every 'freeman site' implores you to make sure that everytime you interact with any aspect of a court YOU MUST MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE ON RECORD OR YOU WILL GET SCREWED!!

now i'm not calling the judge a liar, oh wait, yes i am!
i've been to court before and while i have found that the bulk of the lieing and cheating is done by the prosecution and their witnesses (usually cops that are coached on what to say) the overall impression that one is going to walk away with is that they are all in it together.

anyway, i would invite others on this thread to investigate in detail, the material supplied by the OP, as i suspect it is all disinfo that has been set up in advance to assist 'forum s
's' in their efforts to bury topics that would expose the corporate governments.

i appologize in advance vk, for any accusations you may deduce from the above but i 'reserve the right ' to call it like i see it. i'll try not to go overboard with it.

reply to post by ajay59


addendum: no i do not deny that, but i certainly wasn't passing it off as an "official" document, just that another member had found the court case and linked to it, stop trying to put your own acidic twist on everything.

reply to post by ajay59


THEY have provided ample PROOF to back up their claims.

You guys ... have not.

reply to post by vkey08

It strikes me as odd that you are attacking me as a person

i believe you guys (staff) started that, and we mere members here are just following your examples.

i also notice what you and crakuer are using for your signatures.

signature .... A distinctive mark, characteristic, or sound indicating identity:

another example of, well, bad behavior.

reply to post by tinhattribunal


It is in my opinion that until we eliminate the belief that paper documents hold some type of power no one will ever be free or sovereign.

I often liken it to fighting fire with fire, fighting documents with documents only creates a continuance into the idea that 'legal documents' have any power over our lives. Consider it a difference in strategy, I consider myself sovereign and because of this strong belief in sovereignty I seek not to force my governance over others as I will not have their governance over me.

reply to post by tinhattribunal


One: I am far from staff here, I am simply another member.. I happen to also be a "scholar" involved in the research forum and a "fighter" involved in the debate forum, however i have no other special rights or privs that you do not have, and in fact am subject to off topic post removals and the like and have had that happen to me, even in this very thread..

Two: I used in my signature some humorous lines, one from Yeahright, as it was just funny and the second from a personal message from Crakeur as we were joking about movies and being able to recognize lines from said, as I quoted Blazing Saddles, he got it right, and the response I found humorous. the final line, is Dr Broom from Hellboy talking to the new kid about the Bureau for Paranormal Research and Development and has been, on and off in my signature since 2009, i rotate funny comments i get from people in my sig from time to time, normally once a month.

For those that support this movement, can you please provide ONE example of a person that "beat the system"? One cite one supreme court case where the "sovereign citizens" have won?

*crickets chirping*

These people are winding up in Federal prison, and the various state governments are noticing and making statutory changes to prevent these people from their shenanigans.

I have asked this time and time again, perhaps in large bold-faced font I will illicit a response:

If this really worked,

why aren't the richest people in America doing this?

Why isn't the "1%" doing this?

I await replies and answers.

reply to post by MystikMushroom


Can you back up the blatant lie that has been tagged to at least two threads known to me that the OPPT is a scam? The only proof needed on the legitimacy of the OPPT is the simple fact that the documentation is posted on the web and that alone would bring in some kind of action by the FBI under their internet crime laws! That is THE proof of legitimacy. When we see this come down and the principles imprisoned, that would be proof that it is a scam. Unless you can come up with better proof than this high profile proof that can be seen and verified by all!

What happened to the defenders of the Federation? (sniff, sniff)Do I smell defeat? I hate to be in your shoes when you have to tell your masters that you were unable to pull off the REAL
SCAM!

reply to post by ajay59


You are still sticking with the "Nobody got arrested yet, which proves it is legit" angle??? I honestly have to ask if you truly buy into this rhetorical and irrational position or if you're just holding onto it out of ego, or maybe the fun of watching others twitch?

Your rationale is like playing Russian roulette for one round, not dying, and then proclaiming that Russian roulette is a totally safe pastime and that nobody could ever have died from it. The one thing does not imply the conclusion you are wanting it to.