The One People's Public Trust & Sovereign Citizens Movement Scams Broken Down.

This is very simple people. If you are able to add, you could easily work this all out for yourself. All the attacks against this have absolutely NO foundation. Not one single piece of evidence against this would stand one second in a court of law, it is all circumstantial and hearsay. The OPPT has legal documentation that is recognized and uncontested in the legal arena. This topic has been attacked and boosted, mysteriously I might add, by the site administrators who have been constantly accused as being government counter intelligence, just search the web using many combinations of descriptors.
All that is really required is, to just look inside yourself. We start life with the ability to discern between right and wrong. If you have not lost that ability or have had it beaten out of you by the corrupt system we have now, you will know which is right and which is wrong. I suggest you all read through this thread, if still available, link and look how it was immediately attacked and how it was attacked. Add it together with what you see in this thread and come to your own conclusion! Remember to keep an open mind and be objective.

reply to post by DAVID64

and the reference to Orion is just more proof these guys are wackos.

I'm surprised noone else caught that. Still back a few pages reading.....

First of all I am quite disappointed that a thread done in completely bad flavor got 215 flags while other threads that are much more deserving get 50 or less. Then to see the staff applauding the OP is well, even more disappointing.

Demonic aliens run this planet aka reptillians. There are also grey aliens which help the reptillians. There are good aliens which are remenants of humans of the past that were probably destroyed from the same evil and surreptitious bunch out ot destroy humanity again. The high level masons are all luciferians, aka satanists in common parlor. Luciferianism is the elitist and covert way of saying I am satanical. They use the horned cornetto as their symbol.

I am not aware of exactly what group the OP is desperately trying to demonise, but I am aware of the free man on the land movement. I orginially thought they were a bunch of outcast freeloaders or something of that nature, aka right wing anarchists. Now I have mixed feelings. I come from the left(big government) so it is difficult to accept any right wing theories. I do accept the second amendment in full though. People have a right to defend themselves and it is up to the states to define what is appropriate legislation. The federal government should not get involved in this regard at all.

The federal reserve is a PRIVATE central bank, not a PUBLIC central bank. The rothschilds and the pope of rome praise lucifer, not jesus christ or god. I don't need a confession from them to see the obvious(actions speak louder than words do). I support people like alex jones, jessie ventura, david icke, david wilcox, and many other good/honest/hard-at-work to educate folks sincerly. The mass media is a disinfo media, plain and simple. I stopped taking them seriously years ago.

Lastly what president, vice president, high ranking senator has gone to prison during america's existance as a nation? What was the last time a libertarian, green, constitutionalist, socialist, communist president, vice president, senator, governor, mayor got elected to office? Why the blackout of these parties? We have no constitutional republic if the government itself CHERRY PICKS what it likes and disregards the rest. It is covert tyranny.

reply to post by IntrinsicMotivation

Citizen: One who, under the Constitution and laws of the United States, or of a particular state, is a member of the political community, owing allegiance and being entitled to the enjoyment of full civil rights. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. U.S.Const., 14th Amend.

Notice how I pointed out the word “subject to” in bold. I did this because there is a definition for this also.

Subject to: Liable, subordinate, subservient, inferior, obedient to; governed or affected by; provided that; provided; answerable for. Homan v. Employers Reinsurance Corp., 345 Mo. 650, 136 S.W.2d 289, 302.

Nice words in there to describe “us” citizens.

Subordinate: Placed in a lower order, class, or rank; occupying a lower position in a regular descending series; inferior in order, nature, dignity, power, importance, or the like; belonging to an inferior order in classification, and having a lower position in a recognized scale; secondary, minor.

Brilliant post,

I wonder how the constitution fairs taking into account the definitions from blacks law? Maybe it was never the land of the free, the difference between plain English and legalese just gave the illusion. Interesting.....

Originally posted by ajay59
This is very simple people. If you are able to add, you could easily work this all out for yourself. All the attacks against this have absolutely NO foundation. Not one single piece of evidence against this would stand one second in a court of law, it is all circumstantial and hearsay. The OPPT has legal documentation that is recognized and uncontested in the legal arena. This topic has been attacked and boosted, mysteriously I might add, by the site administrators who have been constantly accused as being government counter intelligence, just search the web using many combinations of descriptors.
All that is really required is, to just look inside yourself. We start life with the ability to discern between right and wrong. If you have not lost that ability or have had it beaten out of you by the corrupt system we have now, you will know which is right and which is wrong. I suggest you all read through this thread, if still available, link and look how it was immediately attacked and how it was attacked. Add it together with what you see in this thread and come to your own conclusion! Remember to keep an open mind and be objective.

The OP makes clear that the whole premise for all of these ridiculous scams HAS NO BASIS IN REALITY.....Court decisions (ie: precedent) are legal documents.

You're either completely off your chops or you are benefiting from this in some fashion.....Or of course there is the possibility that you are a troll.

Originally posted by squarehead666
If we had unlimited free energy it wouldn't be our 'desires becoming dark' that I'd be worried about.....Our planet becoming extremely bright and slowly boiling its atmosphere off into space would be a bigger concern for me.

edit on 13-2-2013 by squarehead666 because: s&p

Waste heat's gotta go somewhere and the vacuum of space just doesn't make a very good heat sink

Ergo scorched Earth

Originally posted by vkey08
First off lets look at the basic premise of the whole thing.

You are not a person, but rather a fictitious entity that is in fact collateral of a large monetary trust that the overseers use to control our lives day in and day out.

Sounds rather ominous doesn't it? A bunch of people in a back room somewhere buying and selling people as if they were commodities futures, making money off the transactions and you're some slave somewhere diligently doing your job and controlled throughout your life by these people.

(insert buzzer sound here) WRONG! But we'll get back to that in a second.

That is not very farfetched. I have in the past been payed to monetize people and how much they are worth. Bascially treating people like any other resource or commodity. If we have too many of one person we get rid of some or devalue them. If we need more of them we get more and we raise the value on them.

Do you not see how people can and are treated as a commodity?? the whole system is built around that.

If you really look into how business and more specifically in a factory you will see how people are viewed. People are actually devalued so the ones on top get more bang for their buck.

Do you work?? do you live in the real world??

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
I support people like alex jones, jessie ventura, david icke, david wilcox, and many other good/honest/hard-at-work to educate folks sincerly.

Now there's a rogues gallery of disinfo agents and loonies.....Good luck with making any sense out of their drivel.

(Except possibly Mr.Ventura, who I believe is merely a little gullible and misguided.)

PS: +S&F!

reply to post by squarehead666


It is, of coarse, up to others to come to their own conclusions but I have pegged you as a paid dis-info agent long ago. Nothing you have to say interests me in the slightest. I stand by my conviction that the topic at hand has more value than the powers that be wish all here to believe. If anyone here can produce actual evidence that this OPPT Is a scam, don't talk CRAP, do it!

This thread has taught me that it must be grand to live a life of raw burning belief, unfettered by the bonds of reality, unburdened by the need to decide for myself. Everything divided into binary categories of good and bad, right and wrong, us and not us. All disagreers are clearly agents of the devil/the space lizards/the illuminati etc spreading lies and untruth. Reason is treason

A simple life. A philosophical hermitage.

Look,

If any of this actually worked, people like Warren Buffet and others would be doing it to skirt the last remaining taxes they do ever end up paying.

The types of documents these people file are placed on public (usually freely-available) record. You won't see any millionaires or billionaires doing this. Why? They know that it's complete and utter nonsense. It's simply an extra-legal scam to prey on desperate people.

Originally posted by vkey08
reply to post by fourthmeal

 

We are NOT under Admiralty Law in the United States, just because a flag has a detcorative fringe does not make it so. That is what all of that is based upon, the fringe on some flags, that are used as decoration to make them look pretty. At one time it meant something, nowadays, it's just decoration, nothing more, nothing less.

Ummm, you are familiar with the concept of symbols right? It is used all around us. What is that saying that I hear tossed around a lot? Oh yeah, the best place to hide something is in plain sight.

Like I posted earlier, this deserves its own thread, but here is a sample of the confusion.

The following definitions are from Blacks Law 5th ed.

Admiralty Law: See Maritime Law

Maritime Law: That which the Congress has enacted or the Federal courts, sitting in admiralty, or in the exercise of their maritime jurisdiction, have declared and would apply. J. B. Effenson Co. v. Three Bays Corp., C.A.Fla., 238 F.2d 61 1 , 6 15. That system of law which particularly relates to marine commerce and navigation, to business transacted at sea or relating to navigation, to ships and shipping, to seamen, to the transportation of persons and property by sea, and to marine affairs generally. The law relating to harbors, ships, and seamen, divided into a variety of subject areas, such as those concerning harbors, property of ships, duties and rights of masters and seamen, contracts of affreightment, average, salvage, etc. It extends to civil marine torts and injuries, illegal dispossession or withholding of possession from the owners of ships, municipal seizures of ships, etc. Substantively, in the United States, it is federal law, and jurisdiction to administer it is vested in the federal courts, though not to the entire exclusion of the courts of the states.

I know that was a lot for a definition, and there was a lot more to it. But let’s focus on the two words that were in bold “person” and “harbor.”

Person: In general usage, a human being (i.e. natural person), though by statute term may include a firm, labor organizations, partnerships, associations, corporations, legal representatives, trustees, trustees in bankruptcy, or receivers.

Harbor: as a noun it is a haven or place of refuge. As a verb; To afford lodging to, to shelter, or to give a refuge to. To clandestinely shelter, succor, and protect improperly admitted aliens. Susnjar v. U. S., C.C.A.Ohio, 27 F.2d 223, 224. To receive clandestinely and without lawful authority a person for the purpose of so concealing him that another having a right to the lawful custody of such person shall be deprived of the same. Or, in a less technical sense, it is the reception of persons improperly. It may be aptly used to describe the furnishing of shelter, lodging, or food clandestinely or with concealment, and under certain circumstances, may be equally applicable to those acts divested of any accompanying secrecy. Harboring a criminal is a crime under both federal and state statutes.

In case anyone missed it, I underlined it. Federal courts due administer Maritime Law. Maritime Law is also known as Admiralty Law.

Admiralty Court: A court exercising jurisdiction over all maritime contracts, torts, injuries, or offenses. Federal district courts have jurisdiction over admiralty and maritime actions. 28 U.S.C.A. § 1 333. See also Saving to suitors clause.

Saving To Suitors Clause: That provision in 28 U.S.C.A. § 1333(1) which gives the U.S. District Courts original jurisdiction, "exclusive of the courts of the state" of any civil case of admiralty or maritime jurisdiction, "saving to suitors in all cases all other remedies to which they are otherwise entitled." The "saving to suitors" clause of the section of the Judiciary Act implementing constitutional provision extending federal judicial powers to cases of admiralty and maritime jurisdiction means that a suitor asserting an in personam admiralty claim may elect to sue in a "common law" state court through an ordinary civil action, and in such actions, the state courts must apply the same substantive law as would be applied had the suit been instituted in admiralty in a federal court. Shannon v. City of Anchorage, Alaska, 478 P.2d 8 15, 8 18.

As I have pointed out by legal definitions, codes, & precedent, Admiralty law is used in our courts. Language is the key here. Just because you think you know the definition, means nothing. Get your copy and study long, study hard.

Originally posted by squarehead666

Originally posted by ajay59
This is very simple people. If you are able to add, you could easily work this all out for yourself. All the attacks against this have absolutely NO foundation. Not one single piece of evidence against this would stand one second in a court of law, it is all circumstantial and hearsay. The OPPT has legal documentation that is recognized and uncontested in the legal arena. This topic has been attacked and boosted, mysteriously I might add, by the site administrators who have been constantly accused as being government counter intelligence, just search the web using many combinations of descriptors.
All that is really required is, to just look inside yourself. We start life with the ability to discern between right and wrong. If you have not lost that ability or have had it beaten out of you by the corrupt system we have now, you will know which is right and which is wrong. I suggest you all read through this thread, if still available, link and look how it was immediately attacked and how it was attacked. Add it together with what you see in this thread and come to your own conclusion! Remember to keep an open mind and be objective.

The OP makes clear that the whole premise for all of these ridiculous scams HAS NO BASIS IN REALITY.....Court decisions (ie: precedent) are legal documents.

You're either completely off your chops or you are benefiting from this in some fashion.....Or of course there is the possibility that you are a troll.

That's uncalled for, I respect Ajay59's response,so to call them a troll is out of line, even if they don't understand that a few of the places that OPPT tried this with have already gone to court and had all of their filings dismissed and removed from the rolls with prejudice, US Bank was one of them, and they got the courts to completely void all of the OPPT's UCC claims on their property with the Washington State authorities. And more are coming, they have indeed tied up the courts and county filing offices with this paperwork, and in the end, there's no money coming to anyone out of any of this. And that's the scam portion of it all, there's no massive trust with 500 billion (or million I forget) in gold for everyone, there's no NESARA law that made John Boehner the Interim President of the United States on January 16th, 2013, in fact this whole thing is just an offshoot of many other scams, and I found a quote, that actually does it all justice in describing what it really is:

This new fake fund however is sort of like the Granddaddy of prosperity/sovereign woo built all into one - it looks like its taken: sovereign citizen mythology and prosperity fund mythology and combined it into one ultra-insane conspiracy dogma.

And that's exactly what it is, just remember one can have a great idea, but the execution of that idea is the crux of it all. I've had great ideas but fail to execute them, the same is here.

Now to finally put this out because i know there are some allegations against me in this thread, so here goes.

I have never hid what I do for a living, I am a single mother of two disabled girls, I work two jobs, my day job is working for the Federal Government, I investigate when people file complaints that their Civil Rights, as defined by the Constitution have been violated, I have done this for close to 15 years now. I am a licensed Social Worker and hold Masters in both Social Work and History, in the time i have been doing this, I have only had one case that I thought was 100% looneytunes, and could not help the person in some way, most cases are simple miscommunication while others, such as those involving the TSA are much more cut and dry violations. At night when I am home, (Although I'm home a lot more now as I injured myself pretty badly, and am on a lot of time off awaiting lower back surgery) I work as a CGI artist, my work is around on the web, has been featured on blogs belonging to artists that worked on shows like Star Trek and BSG, and I am close friends with most of the artists.

So do I have problems with the Government?, YES I DO. I have very large problems with NDAA, drones et al, I fight every day to let people know they aren't alone in thinking this stuff is wrong. I will not however subscribe to such a blatant waste of time as the One People's Public Trust, just because it sounds wonderful on the outside, once you look deeper, it's nothing but more words, and no real substance.

That is who I am, I have no real agenda other than to make people aware of the various scams that have been circulating as a result of everyone being fed up with the current status quo.

reply to post by Mkoll

If you think that limitless energy to fulfill our desires would prevent our desires from turning dark I think you are a fool.

so, you'd rather be controlled by the dark forces of others vs subduing your own as needed ??
interesting.

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I think this is worthy of being a stickied thread. This kind of information helps prevent more people from being lured into making very poor financial decisions.

The fudamentalist christian idiots in my family seem to be uniquely vulnerable to this flavor of insanity.

Originally posted by squarehead666

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
I support people like alex jones, jessie ventura, david icke, david wilcox, and many other good/honest/hard-at-work to educate folks sincerly.

Now there's a rogues gallery of disinfo agents and loonies.....Good luck with making any sense out of their drivel.

(Except possibly Mr.Ventura, who I believe is merely a little gullible and misguided.)

PS: +S&F!

edit on 13-2-2013 by squarehead666 because: clarity

Coming from someone with a username of squarehead666, I guess I should take your harsh lies as a compliment. You do know the meaning behind *666*??

Originally posted by ajay59
If anyone here can produce actual evidence that this OPPT Is a scam, don't talk CRAP, do it!

Well, as Obama is still the President their claim that Boehner is the President points out that they are trying to scam the gullible.... But remember, they have to prove their claims, it is not up to others to disprove their silly claims. Funny how they are unable to back up any of their claims....

Originally posted by vkey08
Of course, everyone forgets or dismisses this sort of message coming out of OPPT..

This is directly from one of their press releases.. I cannot take credit for writing it, but I will say it gave me a laugh.

Hence, the failure of official announcement of Boehner as the “INTERIM PRESIDENT”...The BE'ings known as Barrack Obama, St. Germaine and others, have known from the beginning what the Public Trust was and is DO'ing, and they had knowledge of the methods and means used by the Public Trust to secure, guard, preserve and protect The One.

They claim that under NESARA (which they support) that John Boehner is now our Interim President, and this fact was suppressed from us..

C'mon now.. seriously?

WOW! YOU ARE TAKING THIS OUT OF CONTEXT

sorry for the all caps

after pasting the text in my browser and googling i found what you are quoting from.
let me set you straight.

the reason j. boehner was not announced as interum president is because the OPPT STOPPED it.

as reported [properly] in my thread on ATS entitled 'the Federal Reserve ... going out of business? ' ...

john boehner was put in the position of interum president in a move to institute a NESARA type program that would be a facade for a continuance of the corporate government structure.

this was an effort by the already forclosed upon us government to retain power.

the OPPT then [1 dec.2012] served an additional courtesy notice to effectively stop the reimplementation of the slavery system.

in addition it warned that the individual who would take the oath of office on the 21st of jan. 2013, would be now duly bound to support all OPPT initiatives.

incidentaly, it would make any oath taken privately or previously [20 jan. 2013] void.

my take on this?

obama flubbed the oath [21st] , maybe he is not the pres.
i don't know who else it could be.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by squarehead666

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
I support people like alex jones, jessie ventura, david icke, david wilcox, and many other good/honest/hard-at-work to educate folks sincerly.

Now there's a rogues gallery of disinfo agents and loonies.....Good luck with making any sense out of their drivel.

(Except possibly Mr.Ventura, who I believe is merely a little gullible and misguided.)

PS: +S&F!

edit on 13-2-2013 by squarehead666 because: clarity

Coming from someone with a username of squarehead666, I guess I should take your harsh lies as a compliment. You do know the meaning behind *666*??

edit on 13/2/13 by EarthCitizen07 because: (no reason given)

I bet you're proud of that one.

Must have taken you a while.

You've got this argument in the bag for sure.

I mean how could a guy come back after being accused of being a squareheaded Roman Emperor Nero? (666 is the value of Nero's name in greek, as I am sure you are aware)