pope Benedict to resign

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by bintang
possibly a `Black Pope` being elected.

Best chance of a black pope .... Cardinal Arinze.
I met him once. Very nice man with a lot of common sense.
He'd make a good pope.


(But then again, I thought Ratzinger would too .. and boy was I wrong on that!!)

He can't be pope...

On 9 December 2008 Benedict XVI accepted the resignation of Arinze as prefect of the Congregation of Divine Worship. His successor, who took office that same day, is Cardinal Antonio Cañizares Llovera.[4] On 1 November 2012 Cardinal Arinze lost his eligibly to participate and vote in any future conclaves occurring as the result of any period of sede vacante.

Originally posted by voyger2

Originally posted by Cinrad

Originally posted by voyger2
could this be the next one?
Tarcisio PIETRO Evasio Bertone

He was born in the town of Romano Canavese, which literally means "Roman in the Canavian district". So his home town is named "Roman"

Just some more intel, he belongs to the Salesians of Don Bosco.

DA MIHI ANIMAS CŒTERA TOLLE

meaning: " give me the souls and remain with the rest "

edit on 11-2-2013 by voyger2 because: (no reason given)

John Bosco had a dream about which he wrote:

"But hardly is the Pontiff dead than another takes his place. The pilots, having met together, have elected the Pope so promptly that the news of the death of the Pope coincides with the news of the election of the successor. The adversaries begin to lose courage."

So if ex Benedict dies at the same time as this guy is electec the new pope, well.....

The next pope will more than likely be from Italy.

Their coat of arms tell you all you need to know. cardinals

The Pope resigns just after the largest U.S. northeastern blizzard in years, and it's just a coincidence? Go search ATS for weather control experiments, and HAARP be with you.
The question is who? Who has the Pope made an enemy of, who has he antagized recently? Check out the text of his Christmas message, he pokes the bear in the cage.

news.yahoo.com...

"The pope prayed that China's new leadership may 'esteem the contribution of the religions, in respect for each other' to help build a 'fraternal society for the benefit of that noble people.'

It was a clear reference to the Chinese government's often harsh treatment of Catholics loyal to the pontiff instead of to the state-sanctioned church. Earlier this month, the Vatican refused to accept the decision by Chinese authorities to revoke the title of a Shanghai bishop, who had been appointed in a rare show of consensus between the Holy See and China."

China's problem with religions is well known, not just the Dalai Lama but all religions within it's borders. The "communist" regime fears any influence that could contrast with their own dogma.

So the Pope speaks up and singles out China, how can China respond? They can't really declare war on the Catholic Church. They need to send a message though. They fire up the generators and send Nemo. A name that, in Latin, means "no one" or "no man". Backwards it spells Omen. Days later the outspoken Pope decides to step down.

Just another battle between the powers that be, ones which we rarely are able to see or comprehend.

Can you see the face??

Not saying this is the next pope, but closely examine the coat of arms

reply to post by Cinrad


In terms of dates, notice that, Benedict will leave, exactly one month before Easter day... The next pope could be elected in this period, and even been proclaimed in Easter day, could this have some special meaning? Don´t know..

reply to post by COINOP

"fidem custodire concordiam servare"
Keep the faith, maintain concord

Just wow!

I'm so shocked. But kind of excited. And I find it so interesting that the vast majority of people greet this news with relief. It just goes to show you that people have a powerful sense of intuition about what is right and what is not.

Some of the official comments and of course the suddenness and rarity of it all lead me to feel there is A LOT more to this behind the scenes.

I pray the Cardinals put the children first as well as the future of the Church. We need less secrecy, more compassion, inclusion and moderate modernization.

Prophecies and conspiracies aside, i am finding his resignement pretty logical. Afterall, that is what a sane person do, if he is not capable mentally, physical,psycological to fullfill his duties.

To add a bit of fuel to the discussion concernig prophecy/conspiracy, i recall an event few years back ? the current pope had a trip made to Germany and then he called for a new currency?. Recently it seems that the tread of hyping a new global finacial system due to the failure of the old system, seems to get intensified. Coupling that with the sudden resingning of the pope, i suppose the next pope will be someone who in his agenda(among other things), the persue of a new global financial system will be his priority. Some people mentioned as a candidate Peter Turkson. The interesting fact is that according to wikipedia :

In response to the global economic crisis started in 2008, Cardinal Turkson together with bishop Mario Toso elaborated a proposal to reform the international financial system by creating a Global Public Authority and a Global Bank that consider the interest of all developing countries. The document of 40 pages was officially presented in October 2011 and criticizes the actual structure of International Monetary Fund and other institutions.[19]

Very exciting and interesting times we are living in.

Peace

reply to post by Seed76


Yes...but Pope Benedict is nothing if not committed and dedicated - dare I say obsessed with tradition - that was pretty much his job description prior to being elected Pope. To resign, which no one has done for centuries is stunning and curious.

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he seen the state john paul was in before he died and simply did not want to end up the same.

he was of the belief that john paul should have resigned

Originally posted by Quint666
The Pope resigns just after the largest U.S. northeastern blizzard in years, and it's just a coincidence?

Yes.

Originally posted by kosmicjack
Pope Benedict is nothing if not committed and dedicated - dare I say obsessed with tradition -

Because he belongs to the Border Patrol Party of the College of Cardinals.
Cardinals have poltiical parties .. just like Americans do.
Ratzinger was the Cardinal version of a Republican Tea Partier .. IMHO.

reply to post by HomerinNC

DRATS! He would have been a good pope. Smart. Level headed.
And lots of common sense. Oh well.

Originally posted by kosmicjack
reply to post by Seed76

 

Yes...but Pope Benedict is nothing if not committed and dedicated - dare I say obsessed with tradition - that was pretty much his job description prior to being elected Pope. To resign, which no one has done for centuries is stunning and curious.

Well yes, just because no other pope has resigned before, except the pope somewhere in 14ish? it´s quite stunning and curious. It might be something else, but who knows ? To my opinion however i do not find his resignation stunning or curious. If someone is not capable to continue his duties then to resign is the most logical thing to do. Even if that causes curiosity due to the scandals that are plaquing Vatican.

Peace

Originally posted by kosmicjack

Pope Benedict is nothing if not committed and dedicated - dare I say obsessed with tradition - that was pretty much his job description prior to being elected Pope. To resign, which no one has done for centuries is stunning and curious.

The symbolism and true meaning are not quite as important as the timing.

For now, he is just a really old guy that didn't want to work until he dies.

March should be more revealing....

Originally posted by Flyers Fan
Ratzinger was the Cardinal version of a Republican Tea Partier .. IMHO.

No doubt..and that's a hilarious comparison...

But do you think it's in his nature or philosophy to resign or is there more to it?

Always found the Malachy prophecies quite curious. The interpretations seem to be quite accurate when referenced against the popes' coats of arms:

en.wikipedia.org...

Very interested to see how this pans out.

news is breaking that the pope announced his resignation because someone has been spotted on the asteroid that is performing a fly-by this friday.

Originally posted by kosmicjack
[But do you think it's in his nature or philosophy to resign or is there more to it?

I fully believe that, because he was the right hand man to Pope John Paul II, and he intimately saw how PJPII couldn't do the job because of his failed health, that Ratzinger RIGHTLY decided not to go the same route. It was obvious that PJPII couldn't control the church or do his job. Ratzinger had to see that close up every day. It is my opinion that, for the first time in his papacy (that I know of), Ratzinger made a good decision and decided to bow out when he knew he couldnt' do the job anymore.

One look at Christmas Eve mass and we all could see that Ratzinger was headed down the same road as John Paul II. Ratzingers own brother, on the day Ratzinger was elected, said that Ratzinger would last about 5 years and no longer due to age and health issues.

reply to post by pheonix358

I thought they either died due to natural causes or died due to ingestion of a poison.

I believe Pope John XII died of a knife in the back, put there by the husband of the woman he was making love to at the time. In all fairness, this was in the tenth century, when Rome was at its lowest state of degradation.