Another reason for the uk to leave the eu

Owen Paterson, the uk environment secretary has said that the uk can't ban imports of illegal/dangerous horsemeat because a moratorium is not allowed under eu rules. This is because it is only fraud, and not a danger to health. What an utter crock of S***. It certainly is a danger to health, but the uk gvt is more afraid of upsetting the n*z**s in the eu than it is about killing citizens.
Since the banning of horse and carts on Romanian roads, the price of horses in that country has dropped. These horses were not bred for food, so the presence of dangerous drugs will not have been monitored. Join the dots.............

Theres nothing wrong with horse meat by default so it can't be banned unless its unfit for purpose, now if you like horse meat and want it i'm sure butchers will be able to get hold of it for you just the same as if you fancy a nice bit of alligator etc, the real problem is that they've been declaring it as beef so it should be easy to find a few good lawyers and sue most of the cheap meat processing system into retirement

Always reminds me of a thing i got told years ago is always order prawns at a curry house as they can't hide it from you where as beef could be dog/horse/lord knows under the sauce

reply to post by Maxatoria
Agreed. This is a blinker to promote another agenda.

The horse meat in question is unregulated and so cannot be included for human consumption and it cannot be banned because its use in this way is already illegal

reply to post by tazdeill2


Question?

Why would we want to ban horse meat imports into the UK?

I'd quite like the option of buying a bit of horse meat loin steak from the butchers, horse meat is far healthier than beef.

Personally I don't care if it's horse or beef. As for it being a reason to leave EU........bit OTT.

I think they should cease demanding to know what animal the protein came from and just label meat products as animal protein. The horsemeat probably had less steroids/hormones/hormone blockers in it anyway so it was probably slighlty healthier.

Let's face it, most of the time we don't know what's in our food anyway and the people of the UK can't exactly be called 'fussy' eaters. We're fast approaching Americas levels of obesity and disease because we're only too happy to take the easy option of opening a packet, heating (some call it cooking) the contents in a pan/oven/microwave and shovelling the contents into our stomachs with as little chewing as possible.

Burgers should be called burgers then no one can moan. If you want to consider yourself as having any self determination in what you eat, buy fresh, prepare from scratch etc. etc.

Now people will be blaming their health issues on this kind of thing when the reality is they actually didn't take care of their own health in the first place.

You can walk into a supermarket in France and see neatly packaged parcels of meat labelled "Cheval" that are very reasonably priced.

I don't think we should ban horse meat, but I think we should have the option if we wanted to.
However there are much larger reasons to want to leave the EU e.g. not being allowed to deport child rapists back to the countries they came from...

Pro Pedophile, Masonic, European Union...

Sani Adil Ali, 28, originally from Darfur and part of a threatened tribe, originally came to Britain in 2003 and was awarded refugee status in February 2005, it was reported.
But only a few months later he was arrested at his home in Middlesbrough and later admitted one count of raping the girl, who was Hungarian.

He was allowed to stay because deporting him, the court ruling showed, would be contrary to the United Kingdom's obligations under the European Convention on Human Rights.
A UK Border Agency spokesman said: "We are extremely disappointed with the court's decision.
"We do not believe this individual needs or deserves refuge in this country." www.telegraph.co.uk...

I hope the pro-pedophile parties (Labour & Liberal Democrat's) support Cameron’s attempts to renegotiate our way out, of at least these tyranny consequences of EU membership.
I say tyrannical britain has never had a referendum about whether to e.g. give it the power to keep foreign rapists in this country; yet it exercises these powers through our courts -interpretations of the laws it created and it caused our (now mostly unelected Labour MP's) to sign.

reply to post by Liberal1984


What do you mean by "mostly unelected" Labour MPs??

I mean many of the people who signed us up to the e.g. European “Human Rights” Act and other forms of disruptive legislation to our functional, island democracy, have since lost power yet we are still stuck with their decisions in force. The only way to reverse this decisions is to leave the EU -something polls consistently show a majority of Britons want.

But the biggest EU problem is any government can sign one pice of legislation, end up creating a 1000 or more news laws-regulations as a direct result, and these laws possesses treaty status. This is far too inflexible to the point it is barely democratic since elected governments are cemented into the un-elected governments mistakes (whether they like it or not).

reply to post by tazdeill2


Yes, there does appear to be a health risk.

Experts are warning it could expose consumers to the drug, phenylbutazone (formerly prescribed as an anti-inflammatory).

It's toxic to some people.

It does not matter whether horse meat is good or bad for us, what matters is we must be allowed to know what we are eating!!!
As mentioned above, the horse meat contains drugs that are harmful.

Originally posted by CJCrawley
reply to post by tazdeill2

 

Yes, there does appear to be a health risk.

Experts are warning it could expose consumers to the drug, phenylbutazone (formerly prescribed as an anti-inflammatory).

It's toxic to some people.

Hi, it is toxic, also if animals are not stunned prior to being slaughtered, cortisols are released into the body, causing 'brown' meat, which is carcinogenic. The lack of control over the food of our own citizens is shocking. When we had bse in the uk our beef was banned quickly enough, even cattle that weren't infected couldn't be sold, so the hypocricy of not allowing the uk to ban imports from other countries is outrageous. The legal classification of Horses in the uk is 'pet' and not farm animals as in many other countries, so the eu is saying that it's o.k to eat pets! Well, my neighbours dog had better watch out.

The eu is also insisting the uk pig farmers reduce the gap in slatted floors from 19mm to 18mm. Some pig farmers will be unable to afford to do this and are shutting up shop. But toxic/fraudulent horse meat? No prob.
18 years of unaudited/signed off accounts? No prob.

reply to post by Maxatoria

By default there is nothing wrong with dog meat either so we should start eating dog? I mean they do in China it's not taboo there. In my country most don't have anything against horse meat, but if the package says "Beef Lasagna" on the front there better be beef in it or if it says it on the back on the product description, it doesn't matter. The question whether or not it's proper to eat horse meat is void in this context.

Horesemeat is excellent meat. If horsemeat was smuggled in, it is because it was the cheapest meat available. That can be for a number of reasons, the meat was no good, or the horse was initially used for something else and rather than to burry it, was sold at a bargain because the owner was not looking to make a profit on the meat industry anyway.

Originally posted by tazdeill2

Originally posted by CJCrawley
reply to post by tazdeill2

 

Yes, there does appear to be a health risk.

Experts are warning it could expose consumers to the drug, phenylbutazone (formerly prescribed as an anti-inflammatory).

It's toxic to some people.

Hi, it is toxic, also if animals are not stunned prior to being slaughtered, cortisols are released into the body, causing 'brown' meat, which is carcinogenic. The lack of control over the food of our own citizens is shocking. When we had bse in the uk our beef was banned quickly enough, even cattle that weren't infected couldn't be sold, so the hypocricy of not allowing the uk to ban imports from other countries is outrageous. The legal classification of Horses in the uk is 'pet' and not farm animals as in many other countries, so the eu is saying that it's o.k to eat pets! Well, my neighbours dog had better watch out.

As soon as it is official that the delivered meat is indeed toxic another set of rules will apply. Passing off horsemeat as beef is fraud, but not the same as selling faulty meat. You implied would be no reciprocity if the tables were turned in a bse style event. That is not true. The situation is a different one. It might be toxic as well, tests will reveal if it is the case or not.

reply to post by Merinda
This is not horse meat. This is unregulated horse meat which is why it is so cheap.

Unregulated means you have no idea of the condition of the animals that make up that meat. You have no idea if the animals were in good condition or covered in cancerous lumps or full of toxic chemicals.

Unregulated means you have no idea how these animals were slaughtered which means no or little hygiene controls. This may well explain the E coli outbreaks and one processing plant that handled this meat has actually had this recently according to the press.

Unregulated means you have no idea from where and how this meat was transported again risking contamination and the spread of disease

Unregulated means we as consumers have no way to prove whether or not this meat is a risk leaving only trust in those that have broken that trust AGAIN able to say there is no evidence this meat is harmful. There is also no evidence to say it is safe either because it is unregulated.

Look, ANYTHING, that can be used to get us out of the fuggin EU is good enough for me.
Horsemeat, Horseflies, Horsesh*t, I care not.
Anyway, whats going on here? I thought the Yanks had hijacked ATS for their own amusement.
Are we going in for a bit of land grab here?
"Land of hope and Glory!!!!"

This information is just jaw dropping... At least the UK uses the pound and not euros..

Leaving the EU will only leave the Poms open to another invasion by their Germanic übermen卐ch superiors.

You guys really wanna get bombed into oblivion, again, but without even the solidarity imbuing qualities of a Churchill to lead you to your demise?

If you don't eat your horse meat, you can't have any pudding.

Originally posted by CristobalColonic
Leaving the EU will only leave the Poms open to another invasion by their Germanic übermen卐ch superiors.

You guys really wanna get bombed into oblivion, again, but without even the solidarity imbuing qualities of a Churchill to lead you to your demise?

If you don't eat your horse meat, you can't have any pudding.

Ah but you forget. We have cameron .... ... ...

Your right were fxxxxd!!!!!!