I'm very scared of going to hell, but I don't believe in hell

Originally posted by MrBigDave

Originally posted by 0thetrooth0
reply to post by sacgamer25

 

Ive searched for God he has not responded so right now Im an atheist.

Where and how did you look for him?

I prayed to him was a good person went to church every sunday etc. i asked if he could appear or do some miracles or something. nothing. i did everything i could have done. i was a chris,catho and muslim and still nothing. Noe sure ive heard people say thei seen things or had supernautral experinces and whatnot but that means nothing to me i have to see god and see hell then ill change my life. i need hard proofs that have not been met.

Originally posted by sacgamer25

Originally posted by 0thetrooth0

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
Worth remembering, there were lots of other religions that existed before Christianity that had no concept of hell. It's only because your from a Christian country that you have that 10% belief in hell. If you were born in a buhhdist country you'd have a different view

I'd give anything to have been born in a different place just so that I would not be in the situation im in now..

Rather than see the world that way, why not allow that God has placed you exactly where you need to be. Why not allow that everything you have been through was put there to strengthen you. What you see as a weakness maybe God has plans to use as a strength. You would not be struggling if he was not calling you.

If there is any religious concept about the bible that keeps you from believing Christ, challenge me and God will answer both of us.

I have no problems with the bible except the hell parts but whatever. I need real proof of God. He had a chance and nothing. maybe in the future something will happen and ill change i dont know.

Just remember Lord God is Not a genie in a bottle, If you cry out for Jesus Christ with your Whole heart He will here you. You will have to meet him half way however, and Submitting isn't easy when you lived a carnal life.
this is why we were to protect our children at all cost.

Sometime it take some major event in your life to humble yourself to the point you know that a carnal life isn't going to cut it. Even then it wont be easy...or at least it wasn't easy for me and I struggle still living in a carnal world.

Find the right church is the key...the right helper/steward is a must for support.

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Originally posted by 0thetrooth0
Ive searched for God he has not responded

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Originally posted by 0thetrooth0

Originally posted by sacgamer25

Originally posted by 0thetrooth0

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
Worth remembering, there were lots of other religions that existed before Christianity that had no concept of hell. It's only because your from a Christian country that you have that 10% belief in hell. If you were born in a buhhdist country you'd have a different view

I'd give anything to have been born in a different place just so that I would not be in the situation im in now..

Rather than see the world that way, why not allow that God has placed you exactly where you need to be. Why not allow that everything you have been through was put there to strengthen you. What you see as a weakness maybe God has plans to use as a strength. You would not be struggling if he was not calling you.

If there is any religious concept about the bible that keeps you from believing Christ, challenge me and God will answer both of us.

I have no problems with the bible except the hell parts but whatever. I need real proof of God. He had a chance and nothing. maybe in the future something will happen and ill change i dont know.

the proof you need is right before your eyes, Just look in the mirror. If you evolved from a fish there be no fish left.
More over, once you drink the milk of Christ, you will know for sure. I did.

Let me add my 2 cents. I am not going to try to prosthelytize you. First, let me address some of the things said by others that I feel are misconceptions. Noone can "prove" that Hell exists or doesn't exist, so anyone who tells you that Hell doesn't exist is basically stating their own personal opinion, perhaps based on reading and reflection they have done, or perhaps not. We will find out with 100% certainty if Hell exists or not, but only when we die.

Additionally, if you are looking at Hell according to the standard of Christianity (as opposed to some other religion), anyone who tells you that you can basically live a good life (in other words, don't murder someone, eat your fruits and vegetables, etc.) and you will not go to Hell is absolutely wrong. My understanding as a Christian is that it does not necessarily matter what good works you do in life, but rather whether you have accepted Jesus. Christianity is based on faith, not on works. And the reason for this is simple- someone should not have to wander where they fit in on a sliding scale- they should not have to ask themselves the questions "Did I do enough good things in life to stay out of Hell?" or "Surely my good deeds outweight my bad deeds, right......right?" As a Christian, I cannot earn my way out of Hell.

Some have said that Hell is a myth perpetuated by the modern church to "scare" people. Quite frankly, the concept of Hell and final judgment is in documents that were written 2000+ years ago, so this is not a modern phenomenon. Additionally, as a Christian, I don't have any concern for trying to scare people into Christianity. I am more concerned with them having a relationship with Christ. But scare tactics are not the way- truth is.

You mentioned that if God wanted you to acknowledge him and keep you out of Hell, he would have opened up opportunity for you to become a monk. God has given us free will, so he will not force anyone to become a monk. Also, if you do believe in a God of some kind and believe that this God has supernatural abilities, to say that he would do one thing or the other is placing limitations on him, which you certainly would not be qualified to do. If you believe a higher power exists, then the opportunities and doors in life that he wants to open for you may or may not be in line with what you feel this God should have done.

Even as a Christian, I sometimes have fears about death. Let's be honest, we fear the unknown. But I don't have fears about going to Hell. Like I said, they are more about fears of the unknown. I imagine some of this fear will go away as I get older, but if it doesn't, I have enough self peace for it not to consume my life.

As a Christian, I believe Hell to be eternal separation from God, or the absence of God. This, in my opinion, is much worse than simple physical torture (fire and brimstone), as it effects the entire of someone's being (body, mind, spirit, soul, emotions). I don't know if people will be burning in fire in Hell, or if they will simply be separated from God (I don't know what all that would encompass). But it doesn't matter, because I do know that Hell would be infinitely worse than what I can imagine in my mind.

I appeal to you not to let fear of the unknown consume your life. If it does, you need to dedicate all of the free time you can to coming to peace with yourself, whether it be finding God or finding solace in something else. And if you feel like you are still open to the possible concept of a God existing, don't let fear of Hell be the catalyst that drives you to God. Let it be your own inquisitive mind and soul. God is not trying to use scare tactics- he doesn't have to.

And one thing about Pascal's wager- it is simply a mechanism that appeals to the rational side of human beings. However, it is not a valid thought process for believing or not believing in God, because the underlying assumptions are invalid to an extent if you don't believe in God.

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The hell parts are the parts that you create.

If you are angry you burn with hate.
If you lust you burn with lust.
If you steal you burn with greed.

All of these statements are true and each prove that judgment is today. If today is the day of judgment would it not also stand that today is the day for salvation?

Do you understand what I am trying to explain? Why do you need it to be more complicated?

Im off for today. Ill reply tomorrow if theres unfinished business.

Originally posted by SunLife

Originally posted by 0thetrooth0

Originally posted by sacgamer25

Originally posted by 0thetrooth0

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
Worth remembering, there were lots of other religions that existed before Christianity that had no concept of hell. It's only because your from a Christian country that you have that 10% belief in hell. If you were born in a buhhdist country you'd have a different view

I'd give anything to have been born in a different place just so that I would not be in the situation im in now..

Rather than see the world that way, why not allow that God has placed you exactly where you need to be. Why not allow that everything you have been through was put there to strengthen you. What you see as a weakness maybe God has plans to use as a strength. You would not be struggling if he was not calling you.

If there is any religious concept about the bible that keeps you from believing Christ, challenge me and God will answer both of us.

I have no problems with the bible except the hell parts but whatever. I need real proof of God. He had a chance and nothing. maybe in the future something will happen and ill change i dont know.

the proof you need is right before your eyes, Just look in the mirror. If you evolved from a fish there be no fish left.

More over, once you drink the milk of Christ, you will know for sure. I did.

Originally posted by 0thetrooth0
I want to see and feel hell in order for me to know or at least be 99% sure hell is real and I'll change my life and try to be saintlike. I hope if there is a God he understands where I'm coming from.

Where is the faith in that? I think if there was a way to know 99% sure that there is a hell, then 99% of the people on the planet would not want to go there.

Originally posted by MrBigDave

Originally posted by 0thetrooth0
I want to see and feel hell in order for me to know or at least be 99% sure hell is real and I'll change my life and try to be saintlike. I hope if there is a God he understands where I'm coming from.

Where is the faith in that? I think if there was a way to know 99% sure that there is a hell, then 99% of the people on the planet would not want to go there.

no not true i think, example some people murder alot of people knowing the ll serve a life sentence and yet they still do it. and also satan/demons knew of hell and well yea..

this is how its suppoes to be if god loves ll his children! then he would do evertything he can so we can be sure hell is real and not go there. i bet some people would still probably end up there if they do its their fault entirely! it should be like prison, we can see hell some people go to hell umm we can drive by hell we see some pople get out of hell replace hell with prison. thats all god had to do. we know hell is real but yet we still have a choice just like when bad people do crimes, you robbed a bank ok cool go to jail 10 years then you get out.

Originally posted by SunLife
the proof you need is right before your eyes, Just look in the mirror. If you evolved from a fish there be no fish left.

More over, once you drink the milk of Christ, you will know for sure. I did.

Not speaking for SunLife but for me this is what that means...

Once I began to have supernatural encounters with Jesus, THAT is when I knew the TRUTH.

I no longer just believed

I KNOW truth.

I believe this is what he means by "you will know for sure".

Hey, maybe this can bring you some peace of mind

First up, you are not alone, many people have the exact same fear as you do, and it is quite normal. Now whether or not their is a god, we are still made up of the same building blocks, from the big bang. Rocks, plants, you and I are at the subatomic level made up of the same building blocks, so don't feel alone, we are all one.

At the believe in hell, I do not believe this make a logical sense, hell was create LATE in the Christian religion, and bear in mind that Christianity itself is a quite young religion. Hell was never mentioned before by the Sumer's, Mayans, Aztecs or any other old civilization.

Try to think of it this way, in a spiritual sense, we are here to learn life. Learn feelings good or bad, to gain higher understanding and consciousness, how much are you able to experience in one life? Not very much. The logical thing would to say that you have multiple lifes, reincarnation in order to experience every single emotion and situation, so you can bring your experience to your higher self and in that way expand your knowledge, understanding and conciseness. In that way, a storage place called 'Hell' will not make very much sense.

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You can try but there is nothing new under the sun.

The Holy Spirit lives in me and will provide me with any wisdom necessary to refute you.

Let's test that, shall we?

Free will is defined as: “The power of acting without the constraint of necessity or fate. The ability to act at one’s own discretion.” This, obviously, is not possible in a universe monitored and maintained by an all-knowing all-capable life form. If the omnipotent god hypothesis is true then it follows that you act the way you act not because you choose to but because said god chose to allow you to by the initial act of creation. It is patently ridiculous to think that we are in some way capable of acting in contravention to the will of something that is truly omnipotent.

If the god hypothesis is true it leaves us with only two possibilities:

1) There is an omnipotent god and we are, all of us, fulfilling his original design every day: If this possibility is true it would mean that all of the horror of history the witch hunts, inquisitions, holy wars, genocides, murders, rapes and various other atrocities were foreseen and are part of the design. If this is the case then how can we possibly take seriously the idea that this creature we call god has any warm feelings at all for us and what makes it worthy of anything but our distain?

2) The god which created the universe is not omnipotent and is subject to errors and mistakes: this possibility addresses the fact that god is apparently so displeased with the make-up of it’s creations, so reproachful of the instincts and drives which it implanted in us to begin with. If this option is truly the case though why is there any reason to believe that worship of it would result in anything of better design or construction than that which is already before us?

You can find the rest of it at this link. In the interest of everyone observing this discussion, I would respectfully request that you address the entirety of the linked article, rather than nitpicking at the more easily dodged points. I'll be interested to see your rebuttal.

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someone said it before in this thread, but if there was a way to prove God was real in a physical way, then nearly everybody would believe him. God wants our hearts and our minds, but the heart always precedes the mind, and your in a struggle between heart and mind. If you read stories in the Bible about how Jesus saved people and how others came to know God, it was never in an intellectual debate or something along those lines, those intellectual debates and conversations are good and may or may not lead to salvation at some point, but where im getting at is that the "conversion" comes from the heart. in the Bible when people came to know God, it was always through a very powerful emotional level, a level of passion like a man dying on a cross next to Jesus. ill be honest with you, if your looking for physical proof, or supernatural experience to convince you of God, its not going to happen. your mind is full of preconceived notions, but your heart is on the right track, and your heart will eventually win, and if you keep seeking and praying for God to reveal Himself to you, He will. No it wont be physical proof, but it will come to you and you will know in your heart He is real, and your mind will then be in sync with your heart.

I say these things to you because in our modern world there is very little need for God until something big happens, maybe a loved one dies, im not saying that hasnt happened to you, but what im saying is logic and intellect, and a well educated mind wont comfort you in those situations, in fact it does the opposite. dont worry about the supernatural experiences ive been a Christian since my late teens and ive never had a supernatural experince, in fact most of my experiences have been in the witnessing of prideful people who have life figured out, coming to ruin and seeing they have nothing left, and then me going through the exact same thing, and realizing ive had something there the whole time.

i dont mean to go on and on, but where your at i have been at too, so i feel you where your coming from. try doing this, back when i was searching, i had someone tell me to look up the deathbed sentiments of famous individuals who didnt believe in God, both scientists, businessmen, celebrities you name it, who were in utter fear at their last moment, who had nothing to rely on, whose money, intellect, influence or whatever served no comfort to them. and compare it to famous Christians at their last moment, where they are filled with joy and comfort etc. Yeah one could argue its all in their head and whatnot, but still that knocking on your hearts never going to go away, start focusing a little more on the heart side of things, not the intellect side. id like to see how all of our opinions in this thread would be now if we were forced to say so in here and it was our last hour, then we'd see who really had it all figured out.

Originally posted by Murgatroid

Originally posted by SunLife
the proof you need is right before your eyes, Just look in the mirror. If you evolved from a fish there be no fish left.

More over, once you drink the milk of Christ, you will know for sure. I did.

Not speaking for SunLife but for me this is what that means...

Once I began to have supernatural encounters with Jesus, THAT is when I knew the TRUTH.

I no longer just believed

I KNOW truth.

I believe this is what he means by "you will know for sure".

well im still waiting for my supernatural encounters...
tell/pray to god/jesus that he may do to me what he did to you.

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I'd read up on Sleepers threads but from a understanding of what goes beyond karma and consequence. In other words, not thinking behavior is off the hook, for harm is very real and what do to others in serious ways, we're doing to ourselves. But seeking to turn around our lives, not make train wrecks of it, to overcome our negative squares in the duality squares this school including our bodies is coded in:

photo.pixmac.com...

Permanent hell is not real, but we need to understand fullness of understanding is hell, if we've harmed others. With awareness we shouldn't be living as if there is no consequence, when even failing in small ways will grieve our souls if we let someone down, we love and want to perfect inside. But also understand, its a Team work of the Highest Love, the Highest counselors, and its not the rigidness that fundamentalists believe.

Forgiveness and striving to take responsibility with those around us, being the first to make ammends, to strive to make people happy.

And having Faith in Love and Goodness to help you each day do your best, do the work you came to do . Forgive yourself and all others and walk forward into finding the way within yourself to be good to others.

Originally posted by 0thetrooth0
Most of the time I don't believe in hell, its like 90% i dont believe in hell but 10 percent of me does. but when I think about hell i get very very scared because i think what if hell is real and when i die ill go there and suffer forever. I would call myself an agnostic/atheist. Its like i have this phobia of dying but most importantly l what can happen after death and especially of the reality of hell. I cant rule out the possibility of hell and so that why im really scared. i dont know why im scared. my mind says hell is not real but it my subconcsious says it might be real. i dont want to die and be wrong because itll be too late then. any help wuld be appreciated.

I posted this under philo/meta because I think people are smarter here than in religion section no offense of course. Please dont delete this mods if anything move it to the religion section. Thanks

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All emotions emanate from the one emotion, love.
Anything that is not 'called' love, is a degenerative form of love, by degrees.
Procedurally, they all operate in exactly the same way...they feed on themselves (to put it as simply as possible)...

The subconscious holds a greater 'sway' than the conscious...i.e. you could be standing on a 6 foot wide plank across a mile deep ravine, and still be in fear of walking across it...subconscious trumps conscious...get this straight in your mind, and work 'with it'.

Logically, the only locum called hell that can exist, is the thought-construct created by us and whoever came before us...it exists as a THOUGHT- FORM...this is the place NDE's go to when they describe going to hell...patently, others do not go here, but to other places...and conveniently is used by fundies of all flavours as some sort of proof of hell and satan, but it actually is only proof of the process.

All cosmologies describe this process and the locales they produce. Two of the major religions have been using the process as a tool (for the collective and generational reasons of thier own)...

Suffice to say that, living 'right' means respecting others as yourself...an all too common precept in all cosmologies (despite being couched in 'commandments')...the only danger you face in not following this basic rule, is, repeating the 'drama' at a later stage, for it to make sense on a spiritual level.

A99

Originally posted by Unity_99
Permanent hell is not real...

MANY ex-atheists who have been there will disagree...

Ask yourself WHAT if your wrong?



Ian McCormack - Atheist - Dead on Morgue Slab


To Hell and Back ATHEIST - Howard Storm


Three Atheists Died and Went to Hell


ATHEIST PROFESSOR IN HELL - Howard Storm


Ronald Reagan - An atheist saw Hell

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I am very intrigued by your post, but I can't help to think that loves is not the only emotion. Would it not be more accurate to say that our emotions comes from either love or hate, positive or negative energies, Ying and Yang. In my world, neither one would could exist without the other ?

What is your take on this?