Homosexuality= 999,999,999,999,999,999 God= 0

reply to post by metalholic


Yeah let's go with that.

reply to post by Lucid Lunacy


Why don't you step back and re LOOK at the world around you and see it for the first time. It's not what you think you thought it was.

Why does it always have to be God vs the gays? Or christians vs LGBT community?

In 6 years of catholic school education I never once heard anything about hating gay people or treating them any differently than you would treat a non-gay person.

I think sometimes these groups just want to "play the victim" in-order to gain sympathy.

reply to post by Nicks87


Are you alluding religious persecution towards LGBT is fictitious?

reply to post by Nicks87


The fact remains if straight people didn't hate gay's in the first place. Which is why they thought it ncessary to marry and breed with women to survive.

Gay genes wouldn't be invading the bloodlines of families across the world. Mostly here in the United States. And thats prolly because gays in other countries really have to hide they're sexual orientation.

It exists as a population control for mother nature. When rodents start to exceed the food supply some turn homosexual to kill off the population.

They aren't meant to breed.

But when you got humans afraod to be gay and breed like straight people. It corrupts and potentially destroys the order of things. Because now we have to worry about the straight man dieing out.

Think about a world where women are molesting young boys at an early age hoping they are straight. Becaus ethey are tired of using plastic. They have to breed via sperm banks for god sakes.

Why? Because with more gays filling the world gay is now alot more acceptable and open.

Imagine a world of sexually starved women surrounded by gays. Now tell me... do we really want that?

Originally posted by meggiddo2012
reply to post by OptimusSubprime

 

Pick any version and show me where the central message of the cross is different as far as salvation and redemption goes sir.

If salvation through Jesus Christ is required, then it is important to apply Scripture to our lives. If you don't believe then nothing or no evidence I bring to you will matter. Spiritual discernment and insight is required to fully understand the Scriptures. They are misunderstood, misinterpreted and utilized for power, abuse and control because of the lack of the above. Anyways, forgive if I seem argumentative it is not what I desire. I choose to believe in faith what I believe and others do the same. That is the beauty of free will. Again, my intention is not to argue or offend but to share what I believe to be true based on Scripture.

Let me ask you a question.
Can you see colors?
What if in the bible somewhere, it said anyone whom see's the color green is sinning...
Would you admit you see the color green? Would you lie about your genetic predisposition on seeing the color green?
Would you admit it and simply understand its not a choice..you simply biologically can see the color green, and the bible..at least this bit about seeing the color green, is just a bunch of manmade hogwash..probably written by some envious colorblind idiot 2k years ago?

There is a mountain of evidence that homosexual desires is a biological disposition
This means one of two things

1) The crap in the bible about such things is simply manmade bullsnip by some dudes that got weirded out by the gays, and therefore pretended (beared false witness) that god said it was bad
or
2) God is a gigantic jerk whom programmed people to fail and get tortured (aka, God is Satan just having a laugh)

This is the only two possible outcomes. So, which is it..manmade hogwash, or god is evil? there is a choice here, but it is two hard roads going on here with not many other alternatives...choose which belief structure you then are a "soldier" for..some cavemen jerks, or a demon having a laugh at humans

Know whats funny is that any of yall that are on my facebook knows that a few of my friends that are on there are VERY christian.......and VERY openly gay.......

So this whole you cant be gay and have faith is BS


The problem yall equate is......... homosexualism with ANY religion is taboo..........

Not so........

The only religions that are really out against homosexuals is catholicism.......which is NOT christian.....and the muslim faith.......and id even go so far as to say the NON moderate muslims.......

The rest really have no opinion on it because its a non issue...........

Originally posted by Nicks87
Why does it always have to be God vs the gays? Or christians vs LGBT community?

In 6 years of catholic school education I never once heard anything about hating gay people or treating them any differently than you would treat a non-gay person.

I think sometimes these groups just want to "play the victim" in-order to gain sympathy.

Yes...all an illusion.

meet the magicians


Congrats on your fairly progressive catholic school.
Now go check out the Baptists and see how they run things..or the evangelicals..if you dare, check out the muslims and their treatment of gay people.

Originally posted by meggiddo2012
I just wanted to quote Scripture and share my thoughts.

You only accomplished one...the second part is held back due to the first part.

reply to post by SaturnFX


no........there is a third option........

That the stuff in the bible isnt man made hogwash and sure enough COULD have been dictated by a higher power........

However man in his ever judgemental and human state decided what was to be passed on in his lust for dominance and what wouldnt be........

I take the bible as a work of principles..........

Priinciples that were good, bu were bastardized as a way to control people.......

hence the reason so many books were left out, and so many teachings relentlessly retooled and flawed......

I would LOVE to see the whole book ......as it was passed down, with out its other books removed........and alogories redesigned...........

This however I think would cause a mass exodus from the powers that be.........

it would not be what i think people presume it would be........

IMHO it would be closer to what Jesus taught.......which is a theology and NOT a religion, he never intended it to be.....

The bible is a product of what man pick and chose to be gospel..........not what a higher power would have dictated in whole.........i believe if it had been, it would have fractured their ideologies.........

Sad really

reply to post by lupodigubbio


If you are gay then you are gay. If you are straight then you are straight. God has nothing to do with it other than the fact that if you are gay and christian then you are not exactly doing what God intended you to do, procreate.

God loves you anyway, gay or straight. After all it takes all sorts to make this world!

reply to post by metalholic


i did some research on female genocide. ancient greece, for example, was predominantly male homosexual pederasts. pederasty was like pedophilia but with a difference: a male adult would select a young boy to mentor, and then he would teach him all about life including sex, often with physical contact. as an adult he was expected to marry a woman and follow the advice of his mentor, birth new children, preferably male. this did not work out so well because of the "preferably" part. mothers and fathers would frequently kill female infants and try again to have male children. the male to female ratio was atrocious. their population growth stagnated and then their empire crumbled because there were not enough soldiers. rome was able to overthrow them as a result.

rome saw the flaw in the grecian social model and encouraged heterosexuality amongst the citizenry, even while it was still a pagan nation. this allowed for the constant flow of new soldiers to increase and maintain the roman empire. greece had not been alone in this mostly male cultural phenomenon. in fact, the same thing was happening in india and china and surrounding areas. so rome just steamrolled right over them by sheer numbers of chest thumping hetero males.

india, the case of female infanticide was inflicted on them via the vedic texts, which stated that it was better to toss a female baby up in the air and catch her on the end of your sword and that male babies were preferable. also the dowry system went into action, which resulted in poorer families (which were much more plentiful) killing their female infants. homosexuality was present in large numbers. maharajis were the only ones with women and they had constant battles with each other in an attempt to steal each other's harems. it got so bad, the maharajis started gathering their females into the center of their palace courtyards and lighting them all on fire in a huge bonfire, to avoid having to surrender them or lose them to invading maharajis.

china's religion was similar. females were considered maggots in the rice, because male children were expected to take care of their parents in their old age, whereas female children would be with their husband's elderly parents, helping him take care of them instead of her own parents. this, once again, resulted in killing of female infants. in fact, they killed so many female babies, that gangs of men with no reason to be careful with their health or safety (no wives or kids), formed roaming armies and over threw the chinese empire. homosexuality was present but not specifically encouraged or supported by the empire.

so one nation (greece) became predominantly homosexual males, for the sake of what they viewed as art and culture. the male physique was considered the highest form of art. women were considered stupid and just a necessary evil for creating more males. another nation (india) became predominantly homosexual because there were no women, same for china.

so i dunno if it could be said that population pressures are exclusively responsible for homosexual behavior as it seems in the past, this has also been caused by the removal of females from the population via state or religious writs.

Originally posted by andy06shake
reply to post by lupodigubbio

 

If you are gay then you are gay. If you are straight then you are straight. God has nothing to do with it other than the fact that if you are gay and christian then you are not exactly doing what God intended you to do, procreate.

God loves you anyway, gay or straight. After all it takes all sorts to make this world!

Wrong, there is nothing in christian theology about being gay..........

No offense.......but.......ya........thats a misnomer.........and a tool to beat an ideology in the head of people......

This crap is really getting annoying. If you hate religion...NO ONE FREAKIN CARES! Go have a hate religion party and quit flaunting your beliefs that no one cares about to begin with. If you believe in religion, it is not your duty to convert everyone on this planet to that religion. Some people are to beyond ignorant to think outside the box and or have an authority above their heads. They don't want to be held accountable for their actions and never will be for the time they are on this planet. Why, would any of you want these heathens in your heaven or afterlife anyways???? I sure as hell don't want them around me...I don't want any of these "my opinion is fact" uneducated jabronis near me ever...

Never will they learn that they have no proof to anything, never will they learn that religion doesn't either nor claim that fact. The people and I mean only people that claim proof that any religion is real are a bunch of morons and have no idea what true faith is.

With all that being typed.............................quit this damn bickering because neither side will ever budge.
The only true proof would be the discovery of religion on an intergalactic species home planet or the absent of religion. Until then, everyone for the LOVE OF THIS WORLD...SHUT UP!

Originally posted by OptimusSubprime
I used to be one of those "pray the gay away" Chritians. Now that I am older and less ignorant I have determined due to scientific evidence that people are born gay.

So you are a believer in the "gay gene"?

Disgusting how you seem to assume that homosexuality is a "thing" that one can acquire, and not simply the product of behavior.

God is not real. Believing in God is primitive thinking. Seriously, have we not seen enough Nigerian Email Scams and snake oil salesmen to not see religion for the ridiculous and retarded and obvious scam that it is???? Why are there still people left on the planet that think that book of manipulation was written by anyone other than manipulative, controlling men? It's so obvious. We need to stop using it as reasons to judge people. It is the height of ignorance!

It's time for all bibles to be judged as fully retarding the progress of mankind.

reply to post by ManBehindTheMask

The only religions that are really out against homosexuals is catholicism

Catholicism (I consider this Christianity)
Mormons
Christian denominations. Ranges from complete condemnation to complete acceptance.
Islam.
Orthodox Judaism.
Some sects of Buddhism and Hinduism and Sikhism.

It's taught in many religions all over the 'modern world' to be against homosexuality. The persecution is very real. Some more so than others. Not every Church in these religions, but enough. Regardless of "proper" way to interpret the scripture, it's taught and encouraged.

reply to post by undo

another nation (india) became predominantly homosexual because there were no women, same for china.

India and China didn't have women in the past?

so i dunno if it could be said that population pressures are exclusively responsible for homosexual behavior as it seems in the past,

Can you explain how your post is applicable to homosexual women?

Originally posted by meggiddo2012
reply to post by FollowTheWhiteRabbit

 

I am a sinner standing on grace my friend. I just wanted to defend what I believe just as everyone else does on ATS. I am flawed as is all but the life I live now is to glorify God and minister to young men and woman in the inner city here. I am able to relate because of my past. I hate to see people suffering, oppressed and in pain. Please do not be offended by my comments, I just wanted to quote Scripture and share my thoughts.

So if you are a sinner that stands on grace then wouldn't a gay Christian also be in your boat? Your god finds just about everything to be repulsive in his eyes if it's not directly glorifying him so... why would a gay person have to repent if a straight sinner does not?

You must treat your body like a temple yet many Christians smoke and eat red meat. If they don't repent, do they suffer the same judgement as gay people or are they all simply "standing on grace"?

Why is there a line drawn by conservative Christians when it comes to homosexuality? Premarital sex doesn't seem to be an issue with most of you guys nor does killing people in our invasions of other nations, nor does the breaking of about a thousand asinine rules that litter your bible. Why pick on that one sin if other Christians are "standing on grace" instead of repenting?

Originally posted by spiritualzombie
God is not real. Believing in God is primitive thinking. Seriously, have we not seen enough Nigerian Email Scams and snake oil salesmen to not see religion for the ridiculous and retarded and obvious scam that it is???? Why are there still people left on the planet that think that book of manipulation was written by anyone other than manipulative, controlling men? It's so obvious. We need to stop using it as reasons to judge people. It is the height of ignorance!

It's time for all bibles to be judged as fully retarding the progress of mankind.

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To use the books of religion as proof against God is some strange logic.

I don't know who or what "God" is, but I cannot imagine that there isn't a Creative force that has "mind". This Creative force may be utterly indifferent to us, but I have found no other explanation for some of the more supernatural things I have been witness to in my life.

Regardless of if I am right or not, religious books are not what proves I am wrong.