The Bankers War For The World

reply to post by MidnightTide


Some people will do anything to maintain their level of denial.

It isn't about republicans, it is facing up to what a con the free market is, and how free market policies have put the bankers back in control again.

The democrats whole special privilege agenda is almost as bad.

abolish the federal reserve/for profit banking system and in so doing save Humanity from slavery.

Originally posted by hellobruce

Originally posted by manisobsolete
Sorry to break it to you mate, but The RBA isn't state owned.... if you looked at all you would have probably found that the first line of the Wiki entry is as follows:

The Reserve Bank of Australia, a privately owned bank, came into being on 14 January 1960 as Australia's central bank and banknote issuing authority, when the Reserve Bank Act 1959 removed the central banking functions from the Commonwealth Bank.

Check again, it is state owned

lol did you change it? I just checked and the last edit to that wiki page was made today by an anonymous user with an IP from Australia. They changed it from saying "a privately owned bank" to "a state owned bank". So which is it?

I wonder why it is listed under commercial banks here:

Reserve Bank of Australia provides various banking services to the Australian Government, a range of government instrumentalities, and overseas official institutions and central banks. The company manages Australia's foreign reserves, issues Australian currency notes, and serves as banker to the Australian Government.

Reserve Bank of Australia: Private Company Information

EDIT: here's something even funnier. Do a public company search for "reserve bank" and you get 0 results. Do a private company search for "reserve bank" and you get 2 pages. Oddly enough the Reserve Bank of Australia and the Reserve Bank of NZ are listed on those pages.

reply to post by DAZ21


Here are some clarifications that need to be made.

The original 13 colonies were established and ruled by corporations.

unenumerated.blogspot.com...

This is a very important point. People think corporations are capitalistic institutions, but they are in fact governing bodies.

The US revolution was fought against the corporations that governed the US colonies, more so than the King.

Nine of the original American colonies were colonial corporations whose charters granted them broad governmental powers subject to retention of "English liberties" by the residents therein and the king's right to collect customs on merchant shipping. "...one Body corporate and politique in Fact and Name, by the Name of the Governor and Company of the Mattachusetts Bay..." was typical language in these charters.
...
Citizen" is shorthand for the denizen of a city: a member of a municipal corporation. Members of a king's realm in contrast are called "subjects." "Governors" were groups in charge of corporations (usually corresponding to what in modern U.S. commercial corporations are called "directors," but sometimes, as in many American colonies, singular), while "presidents" were chief corporate executives who presided over meetings of the governors.

This is a very critical point that has been lost in history.

From the very beginning, after the formation of the US, corporations were heavily regulated, and restricted, and this is the way it should be. The very nature of a corporation is to restrict our liberty.

the way i see it is-

money gives us the power of choice which lets us choose who has the most power

through fractional reserve banking when i give my £1000 a month pay slip/power of choice to a bank they x it by 9 which decreases the value of money/my next choice an increases theirs

when the system collapses we will no longer have a monetary system that gives use a choice, the bank who holds all the money will choose for us.

you can give your money to private corporations who will by chemicals to make there product then dump the waste in the sea because they couldn't give a dam about your health or the world
or
you can give your money to organic hemp shake who don't use chemicals because they care

the people have the power to change the world but were giving it to corporations who don't give a dam about nothing but them self. People will always point the finger and blame others or the system but you should be blaming your self, if your not ready to blame your self then blame the education sector for not educating people on how important it is to make the right choice and when you realise how easy it is to make the right choice you will do nothing but blame your self, the truth means responsibility which is why everybody dreads it

look around you, do you have coke in your fridge, Nike on your feet, chemicals under your sink, 2 or more 50+ inch flat screens, crisps, beer, sugar in everything, fossil fuels powering everything and money in the bank, you choose this way of life, you bought all of their crap and now most say its not our fault its theirs, they should take responsibility not us, well their never going to take responsibility because this is the way they like it, the way they want it, they have it all and give us body/mind/soul/world destroying crap and in return we give them our money/freedom, they keep us entertained wile we choose to keep them in power by giving them our money
instead of protesting outside government buildings we should be protesting in our local nationhoods, they are not in control! WE ARE! believe in the power of your choice.
Stop trying to change something you have no control over and only worry about yourself
Let bygones be bygones, the changes you wont to see in the world must be seen in yourself first so make the change, be the change and see the change around you.

reply to post by life12


You seem in denial of how the world really works, even the 'good' companies interact with the corporate in ways you might not realise. The corporations are often masquerading as 'good' and even if everyone chose organic companies, which is unlikely as there are few truly free from corprations or the banking and finance world, there would still be the finance led governments and banking taking control of companies and people.

Paul Grignon thinks we should have digital credit that is self-issued backed by goods and services. He says there is no longer a need for "money as a thing" since it is just an idea, a promise, etc. Many have said that if you take away the Federal Reserve and give the money creation power to the government instead, the international bankers will just regain control since they have so much power built up. The money creation power needs to be given to the individual if we're ever to have our liberty.

Paul Grignon's Digital Coin Proposal
www.digitalcoin.info...

Money as Debt 3
www.youtube.com...

Originally posted by ErgoTheConclusion
Thank you for the thread OP.

Originally posted by SonOfTheLawOfOne
It's absolutely sickening.

My question is this.... HOW DO WE FIX IT????

How do you get to them? How do you stop them?

This is going to sound very very unpleasant but it's the truth.

We are "their" fuel. Our work, our energy, our attention, our genius... is "their" fuel.

We all "just want to get on" so we take whatever amount of room we can find to provide whatever amount of meaningful work or attention or energy we can wherever we can because that is the true nature of most people.

You can't get to "them". You can't stop "them".

The only thing you can do is stop providing "their" social engines/machines the fuel needed to operate.

So the better question is how do we stop ourselves from fueling "them" while still pursuing a life worth living within "their" machine? IS that possible? What if the real honest truth was the only thing that would stop "them" is everyone giving up on fueling "their" machine?

Even if "you" killed "them"... the void will be filled by another so long as we're willing to continue providing the fuel necessary for "their" machine.

edit on 5-2-2013 by ErgoTheConclusion because: (no reason given)

Take the blue pill and see how far the Rabbit Hole goes? Honestly it seems like the "machine" you're talking about is just like the "reality" Neo wakes up from in The Matrix...only difference is, in our reality, it's not as simple as reaching a phone. "Waking up" from this "machine" means learning the truth about the banking system. Maybe we CAN actually beat "them" though, by doing something as simple as keeping our money out of the bank? Teach our children to keep their money out, use a barter system, etc.

Seems like most of the countries in the world have poor economies right now, so guess who gets to bail them out and be heroes to the general public? Rothschild. By then it will be too late to stop them. Nobody will know for centuries. Hopefully it would end like an action movie with a totalitarian government usually does... after several hundred years, someone will figure it out and make a group that rises up and brings back freedom. Aeon Flux seemed to do this pretty well. (Just recently saw that so it's resonating loudest with me currently)

My point is, there's still a little hope right now, or some for the distant future. If we want to stop this though, our time's almost up. Probably less than a decade or two, and that's being generous in my estimate. Good luck everyone.

reply to post by poet1b


Corporations go back to the roman era of global dominance. Corporations are not necessarily business entities such as the united states marine corps, a religious corporation such as the Federal Reserve and other non-profit corporations.

The IRS is the perfect definition of a business corporation and it IS for profit. The IRS is part of the World Bank and IMF, the same IMF who has business executives from goldman sachs or jp morgan running countries in europe such as greece and italy.

We need public central banking for starters. We also need a mixed economy imo and this implies socialism. We do not need communism which is 100% public enterprise which some have called state capitalism. I don't think russia had state capitalism though because they did not borrow money from european banks, did not trade with nato at all, were self-reliant and traded with each other. Russia and china did have true communism but it was authoritarian and regimented. I personally hate communism because I believe in personal inititiative to a degree and the ability to make progress in life with ambition and a skill set.

The details of what we need can be worked out later, for now we should get rid of the private central bankers who indirectly run the government because they control the money supply and bribe at will to achieve surreptitious agendas.

In 1907 New York bankers engineer a financial crisis, by tightening lending which sends the stock market crashing almost 50%. Rockefeller, Morgan, Shiff, Warburg and Lord Rothschild
all state that to stop this from happening in the future, the U.S needs a centralized banking system.

In 1910 a solution to the financial crisis was to be sought. Senator Nelson Aldrich (maternal Grandfather of Nelson and David Rockefeller), Invites top bankers to attend a secret
conference on Jeckyll Island Hunting Club where they conspire and plot to recreate a privately owned central bank of America once and for all.

reply to post by jamewatson


The Federal Reserve Act was a compromise, which created a federal monetary system without a central bank. It was probably voted in the way it occurred Because there were too many parties looking to create a system of pure corruption. The system in place was a disaster, and bankers like JP Morgan practically ran the country.

Things improved for a while, but then fast forward to the twenties, where speculative banking was born allowing the creation of trusts, corporations that were purely investment based. Massive fraud took over the stock market, private debt soared, and a great pyramid was built, that then collapsed under its own corrupt structure.

Enter the Great Depression. People had finally wisened up to the true ugly nature of the corporate entity, and elected politicians who wrote laws that once again greatly restricted the legal bounds of corporations, raised taxes on the rich, and put in place laws that protected the rights of workers and consumers.

The US entered a period of building infrastructure, but the economy continued to flounder until WWII, and massive government spending kick started our economy. The US ended the war victiously, emerging as the world's new super power.

Laws were firmly in place restricting corporations, protecting consumers and workers, with strong defense of unions that are critical to the rise of a strong middle class. The US government quickly paid off its debts, even while fighting a war in Korea, rebuilding Europe and Japan, forgiving debts, and continuing to build and expand our nations infrastructure.

The US lived through a period of its greatest prosperity, innovation, cultural expansion in arts, music, and science.

Ah, but the ICBs still were hanging around, slowly putting their plans in place to take control once again. Through assassinations and other crooked schemes, they got their man Nixon into the white house. Long term planning enabled the bankers to create their welfare ghettos in the cities (done under Nixon) which turned the US public against the idea of welfare, stirring up the ani-socialism propaganda, and the crowning achievement, the energy crisis, which allowed the bankers to trigger double digit inflation, resulting in the elimination of Usury Laws, which restrict interest rates.

With these crisises put in place by the ICBs themselves, they convinced a new gullible and spoiled public that that laws restricting corporations were the cause of all the problems, along with unions, who then voted in politicians who dismantled the very system that had allowed such great prosperity to exist in the fifties and the sixties.

This is the story of how the ICBs took back control of the world economy.

reply to post by EarthCitizen07

Corporations go back to the roman era of global dominance.

I haven't read anything about that, do you have any links to this history?

From what I have read, corporations were created as colonial governing organization for the expansion of the empire.

While all corporations are a form of an institution, I don't know if can be said that all institutions are corporations.

I don't think branches of the military are corporations. The are corporations in the military business, but that is still considerably different, and far more dangerous than a military established by a legitimate government. I also don't think a warlord controlled military force would be a corporation.

A corporation in the business of war would probably be the most evil organization that could be created. The scary thing about corporations is that they have no loyalty to anything, not even the people temporarily in charge.

reply to post by poet1b



'FREE MARKET' is the only thing that scares 'entrenched' wealth.

reply to post by Zngland


Just the opposite.

"Free Market" is the golden sales pitch for the ruling elites, because it convinces people that they shouldn't use representative government to protect themselves form the abuses of the ICBs.

It is a propaganda phrase that has enriched the elites to their wildest dreams.

nonsense a representative Govt hasn't anything to do with a 'free market'.

Many of our problems today are due to factors or policy that are an antithesis to the concept of a free market.

reply to post by Zngland


There is no such thing as a free market. The term is an oxymoron.

If it is free, its not a market, and if it is a market, it is not free.

A representative government is absolutely necessary for free enterprise, which is necessary or a competitive, and therefore efficient marketing system.

For competition to work, there must be an evenly enforced fair set of rules, like in professional sports.

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reply to post by poet1b



I agree a representative govt is pinnacle.


But a free market is a venue where buyers and sellers negotiate and are FREE to do what they want.

Coincidence! I was just watching the following piece this morning.

www.youtube.com...

Most of the information was already known to me, but always handy to see a lot of it in an easy to follow video format. It should be required viewing for the masses.

I often wonder what the reaction of the bankers who control us all would be if governments all turned around en masse and told them to go take a hike. Not one penny more and we'll issue out own currency, debt free thank you very much! I mean, what are they going to do? They are grey haired old money junkies after all.

Problem is, they have vast armies at their disposal, thanks to the well placed career politicians who have had their back for decades, and who themselves WILL NOT relinquish their own grip on power that the bankers allow them to have. The only way it can ever change is for the people to say enough is enough, and take back the power from the corrupt politicians first, and then the bankers, and maybe jail a few in the process for crimes against humanity. I hope one day it will happen, perhaps in my lifetime, in which case I'll be right there with the tar and feathers too, and a sturdy length of rope... made from hemp!

reply to post by Zngland


I would agree that free enterprise is a necessary component of the market system, and just as we need a good representative government to defend out liberties, we need a good representative government to protect our ability to engage in free enterprise.