Humans kill animals then they eat them(true story)

reply to post by gosseyn


Uhm, other animals kill other animals and then eat them. We are just a higher evolved animal. Hell, its been found even Chimpanzees are now sharpening sticks with their teeth and using the spear to hunt other animals and eat them.

If you have a problem with that, too bad, its called Nature. Even if you believe in fairy tales like the bible, god made animals to be eaten and he even ordered the sacrifice of other animals. Not to eat, just killed to sacrifice, so wasting the animal.

Get over it, just be glad your at the top of the food chain (for the most part)

I am also against animal abuse but we can’t live without meat, our brains need it to construct itself (myelin and certain neurotransmitters), it builds muscle and it works as a good energy source too.

Our ancestors evolved thanks to the nutrients found on meat and WE STILL NEED THEM. So I think the question should be about quantity and how we are treating our animal friends (totally against)

Here is some info about brain health :

www.psychologytoday.com...

I hope vegetarians are not making their kids rely on a no-meat diet while they are developing . The effects on early stages can be irreversible.

Think of it this way..
Animals were killing animals way before we came along..

reply to post by luciddream


You leave my seed spreading out of this.

I'm currently a meat eater but researching vegetarianism for a while. While I really like the taste of meat and feel a bit sad about the thought of giving it up. Lately my thoughts have been slipping toward the supposed responsibility humans have as truly sentient beings (by our own standards/earthly anyway). More and more I begin to despise the killing of other living creatures especially in the industrial way we have it setup, it's really disgusting if viewed from an outside perspective. I understand that different beings kill each other for survival, that's just nature, but at this point in time we have mostly past that stage with our ability for food production. We now are able to choose between meat and vegetarianism, seems like a responsible stance not to kill unless absolutely necessary in respect of life as a whole or something along those lines

reply to post by jaden_x


Damnit nala, put pumba down!

reply to post by NewAgeMan


Here was the whole Grace I really wanted to use there..

Be present at our table, Lord;
Be here and everywhere adored;
Thy creatures bless, and grant that we
May feast in paradise with Thee.

We thank Thee, Lord, for this our food,
For life and health and every good;
By Thine own hand may we be fed;
Give us each day our daily bread.

Music

We ought to give thanks for the food we eat imho. Makes the spirit of cow go "Mooo" as if to say "amen."

Cheers,

NAM

P.S. And go with "happy meat" instead of "tortured meat" wherever and whenever possible, at least it's something..then maybe some day there will be ethical and human treatment of livestock animals.

reply to post by jaden_x


According to the bible lions will eat hay in the coming Kingdom, not?

Since no one else said it, behold:
If God didn't want us to eat meat, he wouldn't have made bacon cheeseburgers so darned tasty.

reply to post by gosseyn

Humans see themselves as divine, as having a divine gift which is the soul/spirit/mind/intelligence, and they try to convince themselves that other animals have not received such a gift. They see themselves as chosen because they think they are the only one who have received that gift

Have you ever seen a panda, an aardvark, a camel and a lemur, cook sausages on a BBQ, then wipe their mouths with a bit of kitchen roll?

reply to post by gosseyn


You do realize that everything in the universe is made out of the same stuff.

OP - Did you know that no matter how you slice it, all life on earth is parasitical? We are all energy vampires, preying on something lower in the food chain. Think on that for a bit.

reply to post by Konoyaro


You make some good points, Konoyaro.

The only issue here is that not all humans share the same nutritional needs. While some people may thrive on a vegetarian diet, some people would become very sickly. This is because the exact balance of each person's body is dependent on his/her genetic makeup, environment, physical and psychological health.

In short, there is no "one size fits all" for humans.

The respect for life is something that most people do not have. It has been bred out of us with the increased industrialization and technological dependence of our societies. Our ancestors looked at animals as kindred beings and thanked them for the sacrifice of their lives. We, at large, do not even think about the fact that the processed meat by-product we eat came at one point from a living, breathing being.

In theory, all humans should be able to decide what they want to eat and where they get their food from. In reality, this is just not the case. There are many people who do know the source of their food and who do give thanks to their food for its sacrifice. However, these people are now in the minority.

In the current "politically correct" mindset of western society, animals are more likely to be considered as "people". In fact, animals have more rights than a human fetus in some cases. The matter of sentience is debatable. The extremes at either end of the debate just end up being preposterous: One could say that humans have dominion over non-sentient beings and so can eat them, but should we eat brain-dead humans since they are just wasting resources? One can say that humans have a responsibility to care for all other living beings on the planet without causing harm, but should we stand naked in airtight cubicles to avoid the death of any other potentially sentient lifeforms?

The proof that every living thing on this planet is alive is only debated when the discussion comes to "poor, defenseless" animals.

The fact is, we cannot exist as a species without the assistance of animals. Animals can, however, exist very well without us or our assistance.

We have learned to exist as part of the Earth's processes. Living beings must die for dying beings to live. This is the nature of our existence.

It is only the illusory superiority of humans that makes us believe we are meant to be stewards of the Earth. We are, realistically, guests who can only do small favors for the other guests we happen to share our habitat with.

So, do what you feel is right, just don't forget that your nature may be different than that of your neighbor.

reply to post by ottobot


I have been eating apples.

Originally posted by gosseyn


Did you know that human beings actually KILL other animals to EAT them ? Don't you find that disgusting ? They even have built factories to INDUSTRIALISE the process of killing the other sentient animals and chop them in small portions that they pack in plastic. WOW. At first I didn't want to believe it but I have seen the proofs. It's 100% true. They eat dead corpses of animals that are made of exactly the same stuff as them, and almost every human being find that this is totally normal. They even encourage their own LITTLE CHILDREN to eat dead corpses of other sentient beings, imagine that... I mean, what do they have in mind ?? Can't they just think for one second ? I am truly out of words..

I don't think sentient means what you think it means. In fact, I'm pretty sure it doesn't.

I've got to go, there are some dead, delicious animals I have to consume.
(The smiley face indicates I'm being friendly, and am going to enjoy eating dead animals)

Originally posted by Angle
reply to post by ottobot

 

I have been eating apples.

I hope that's not all you've been eating, Angle, or you will have a right bad case of gut trouble coming along soon.

What is your true stance on the matter?

Truth be told.... This thread is making me hungry.

Originally posted by luciddream
When fruits are eaten by animals, the seeds are spread thru the land(thru feces).

Fruit?
EWWW...you eat the sex organs of plants?

how disgusting!

Anyone whom doesn't simply exist on happy thoughts is disgusting.

Originally posted by Konoyaro
I'm currently a meat eater but researching vegetarianism for a while. While I really like the taste of meat and feel a bit sad about the thought of giving it up. Lately my thoughts have been slipping toward the supposed responsibility humans have as truly sentient beings (by our own standards/earthly anyway). More and more I begin to despise the killing of other living creatures especially in the industrial way we have it setup, it's really disgusting if viewed from an outside perspective. I understand that different beings kill each other for survival, that's just nature, but at this point in time we have mostly past that stage with our ability for food production. We now are able to choose between meat and vegetarianism, seems like a responsible stance not to kill unless absolutely necessary in respect of life as a whole or something along those lines

We have the technological ability to reproduce without procreation also.

But what joy is there in that?
Eating meat hits on many aspects of modern humanity. it is first and foremost delicious, nutritious, but also it is enjoyable, and it creates a link to our tribal selves.

The reason why there is such high demand for livestock industrialization is the sheer amount of people on earth. Short of culling the human population, there is no good answer there...if you have the space, then by all means, make yourself a little ranch for yourself..but not everyone, or even the majority of people have such luxury

reply to post by ottobot


I agree with much you say, I've struggled with many of the things you point out or still do I should say.

I don't believe that some have to eat meat though, you just have to get same nutrients you get from meat. The body doesn't really care for the source of the nutrients except in the sense of how difficult it is to extract, in the form of digestion.

The reason for not eating certain animals seem to stem from sharing a certain bond of understanding with the animal, like we in the west don't eat dogs as we see them as friends. So I wonder what really goes on in a cows head when they observe, they seem to have a good time just chilling and eating grass not really caring for anything else then out of nowhere comes this crazed beast and plunges his spear in to his heart for no apparent reason when there was a perfectly good berry bush just beside him
Just illustrating, like I said before is still eat meat often.

Mostly I'm disgusted with the meat industry. If I actually had to make the kill myself I think I would have a lot more appreciation for the animal which literally transfers his life force into me, then it seems at least a bit more justified.

I'm struggling a bit with the part of growing space for vegetables if everyone, hypothetically, were vegetarians. Would it be possible with modern technology or have already been to irresponsible and overcrowded the planet in that sense?

It is only the illusory superiority of humans that makes us believe we are meant to be stewards of the Earth.

Or is it because we don't want to assume the responsibility? Maybe it's not that we are superior in any way that makes us believe that but we just have the choice if we want to be nice. None of us have the answer to that one unfortunately. I've haven't yet fully subscribed to either theory, keeping the options open, awaiting further insight.