56 billion in foreign aid while Americans sleep on the street

Its called Corporate Aid! NOT Foreign Aid!

The aid is a little more complicated than you think. Sometimes it is to create security, sometimes it is to benefit everyone. Like developing a vaccine for example. It is not simply just giving money.

The homeless in this country is a mental health issue, not a money issue. If you want to get mad, look at the Regean adminstration and the deinstutionalizing of the mental health care system, where our jails and our streets are now the institutions for the mentally ill.

THAT is where you need to put your energy, not foreign aid.

reply to post by Sphota


There is also the issue of "wild humans" and should people that want nothing to do with city life or society have the basic right to live on the land? If we are to protect endangered animals should we not do the same for our own species that want nothing to do with the "matrix" that they were born into?

It's just a thought, but there are those that want absolutely nothing to do with society yet are forced to partake in it.

I wonder what the chineese must feel having to slave for american companies, while chineese brand merchandise gets called "knock-off".

Then add automation to the mix, with a robot replacing human workers(who apparently whine too much about their pay, lack of benefits, lack of vacation time) and we get a major service industry with manufacturing " heading for those growing third world countries. These third world countries are bought out by the same multi-national firms that have bought out the democrats and republicans. Money talks and bull# walks!

Please do not blame the government. It is the elected officials that YOU the stupid voter puts in place that causes all the problems. Yes you can blame the corporate media though, because THEY DO keep you blind and distracted.

Screw free trade and screw automation. Progress can stop if enough people demand it. I don't want your imecilic progress. Keep it to yourself and all the loose change as well.

Originally posted by magma
reply to post by sonnny1

 

Not only gone but still going. I do not see a fix.

Unless there is a war or a plague or a major mega natural disaster that wipes out oooh let's say a billion people.

Maybe the 2013 comets will sort a few things out....

Start raising the tariffs till imports and exports balance each other out. American consumers are forced to become american workers and the companies are forced to stay in america, live up to all the regulation small and medium sized business has to live up to, and forced to pay taxes.

Believe it or not this will force chinese government to develop its own economy and will also help it export more goods and services. Nations need to be self-reliant as much as possible because locals need to be emplyed, well unless we can all get those pathetic welfare checks. Heck I would rather be underemployed and collect. Who would not? Not everyone has the same ambitions.

Originally posted by Spookycolt
You give poor people money they will just waste it and end up poor again.

The country cannot stop functioning because lazy folk can't get off their asses and improve their situations.

That foreign aid money buys us influence.

Haha. I bet your one of those on the dole and have plenty of free time to bash the left. It amazes me how so many conservatives are always busy yet they spend hours and hours on ATS bull#ting everyone.

reply to post by Teye22

First of all I dont see where you get that I am happy to take from the rest of the world.....I NEVER took anything from anyone that I did not pay for or earn.

I am not talking about you personally. I am talking about your country. What do you think you are doing in places like Iraq and Afghanistan. Bombing them to peace. No its a grab. There is no altruism involved.

The USA is about 5% of the worlds population yet you use a lot more than 5% of the worlds resources. You do not get rich without making someone else poor.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

Americans have always been among the most generous people. Americans give more to other countries, but likely you don't know that because you are buying into all the leftist Marxist redistribution propaganda.

What on earth are you talking about. I am not a Marxist and what exactly are you trying to defend. The bankers that have accumulated the wealth from the US. Yes the US gives money to other countries. It gives more money to Israel than it does to the whole of Africa..

Infact the EU gives more money than the US and it does so without the strict polical embargos that are imposed by the US. In reality the US gives very little to other countries.

You live in a country that is intent on keeping many countries politically disabled. Have a look at CIA operatives over the last fifty years or so if you are interested.

As for wealth distribution. It is know that wealth disparity causes socioeconomic problems. The disparity continues to grow. The bankers have all the money. Obama has given them immunity and you still sit there defending it. The got you where they want you.

reply to post by Heisenberg59


The homeless issue is a problem. But it is a multi-part problem. Many do not take full advantage of services that are available to them. Also, many have a wide range of mental illnesses. Honestly I think the very first step is to improve our Mental Illness Healthcare.

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I think you are off base, totally, with what goes on in the real world. We won't ever agree, but I do respect your right to your opinion.

Originally posted by purplemer
reply to post by Teye22

 

For the OP...I totally agree with you, it is unacceptable for governments to give away the taxpayer's money to other countries and let your own people starve and live in the street. S+F

You are happy to take from the rest of the world. What is wrong with giving a little back...

Probably because they ONLY give to the right wing parties so that they can arm themselves with the best weaponry and machinery money can buy, and give nothing to the left wing or even center parties. Give money to alqueda or other extrmists WHILE AT THE SAME TIME denouncing them as terrorists and keeping the illusion of danger alive so that nato can remain strong funneling billions or even trillions of dollars/euros at everyone's expense.

The cia gives plenty of money to drug lords, weapons smugglers and right wing groups COVERTLY!

As for unicef and red cross they are embezzlers, as a huge portion of that money is embezzled.

That is why!!

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
The Obama admin is daily destroying American's ability to make a decent living. Of course previous admins have also done this, but the Obama admin is the worst to date because of POTUS and his friends' desire to redistribute wealth and knock America down a notch. He hates America and everything it has stood for and he spits on the Constitution.
I pray that his karma comes swiftly and in what's left of my lifetime.

Redistribution of wealth from the upper middle class to the lower middle class is not redistribution of wealth that makes any sense. When they start redistributing from the rockefellers(trillionare), rothschilds(trillionare) and the suspiciously "self-made" billionares then you can call that redistribution.

Of course obama hates america and he especially hates gun freedom.

You folks think by keeping your flimsy ar-15(wannabe m-16) that somehow you are all brave and are gonna defeat the enemy, without even knowing WHO the enemy is. Go back to sleep!

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by purplemer
reply to post by Teye22

 

For the OP...I totally agree with you, it is unacceptable for governments to give away the taxpayer's money to other countries and let your own people starve and live in the street. S+F

You are happy to take from the rest of the world. What is wrong with giving a little back...

Americans have always been among the most generous people. Americans give more to other countries, but likely you don't know that because you are buying into all the leftist Marxist redistribution propaganda. I really feel sorry for people who believe the lies.
I just get so darn sick of all the America-haters on this site.

There is nothing wrong with marxism and without them we would STILL be living in the middle ages with kings and queens running supreme. It was the bolsheviks that ran out the czars of russia. It was the nazis and facists that ran out the european nobility. Then they demonised national socialism because hitler and mussolini losed the war. Mussolini was explaining that corporatism was part of capitalism and people took his line out of context till now. Sure there are elements of corporatism in socialism(mixed economies) but it is minor compared to capitalism.

You know so little and think you know a lot. As for jews, zionism and the holocaust it was either greatly exaggerated or completly fabricated. I care not which is the case because either way it was a farce of the poorest taste to help create the parasitic and terrorist state called israel. If israel played nice and looked after their national security early on then most folks would not have such a large axe to gring against them. Jews could live in palestine without imposing their apartheid policies on arabs and christians. They created the walls, commercial embargoes, over-react to palestinian retaliation, etc.

the laziest people are the ones who are born into money... they do absolutely nothing for their money. they add nothing to society.. they are just as bad or worse than the poor lazy people.

heck most of the big business people are lazy as puck. what they do is not worth the amount they make.

Originally posted by Transitarian
This is probably one of the issues that infuriates me the most. Yes I understand some other countries need aid. Yes I understand they expect America to help. However, why do we offer aid to countries who would turn around at any moment and say they 'hate America?'

Our own people need help, our own people need aid. Let's give them the help before reaching out to other countries.

The whole monetary system is controlled and owned by people with unbelievably evil intentions, I would say not even humans. For example the Federal Reserve, americas PRIVATE central bank is listed as a registered, non-profit RELIGIOUS corporation. For the owners of this corporation they view money as something to be revered.

Other countries also have PRIVATE central banks, at least the non-socialist ones or the non-secular ones. Its funny that inorder to be "free" you need a PRIVATE central bank rather than a public central bank. Guess why assad and ahjmadinjihad are getting attacked by sanctions and threatened with war? Because they hate capitalism.

Third countries should not need financial aid at all. After all money is fiat currency and legal tender that people can decide upon and issue. This make-believe "aid" is just another way of saying BRIBE to parties that tow the capitalist free market line. The globalists want free trade because they know only big business can take advantage of such opportunities, thus making everyone else sellout to them or simply go bust. Look at microsoft, coca cola, gillete, ford, etc. It is hard to compete with these virtual monopolies.

The only aid we should be giving them is technological, medical, excess food or other excess products. They should not need PAPER money.

Originally posted by tnhiker

Originally posted by Spookycolt
You give poor people money they will just waste it and end up poor again.

The country cannot stop functioning because lazy folk can't get off their asses and improve their situations.
Bravo, that was an excellent response - why? Because it was it was intelligent, articulate and for my personal purposes objective. You're awesome!

That foreign aid money buys us influence.

Thats a huge generalization, and for the most part pretty much not accurate. With the economy tanking, prices rising, and as the OP stated, the banks we bailed out foreclosing, a lot of people are losing their jobs and homes. Last year the local charities and shelters were at record numbers.

Granted there are some that are lazy, or who let drugs/alcohol control their life, but there are also people who lost their jobs, couldn't find a new one in time to save their house and are now homeless and without transportation or money or food. Try getting a job in second hand clothes, with no phone, no residence, and no transportation. For most people it takes years to get back out of that situation.

Every time we send foreign aid to another country it makes me sick. Take care of home first, we are not the worlds nanny, military, or provider.

Originally posted by Spookycolt
Why can't you be like someone else?

Does our government force you to make stupid decisions like running up your credit, getting a woman pregnant at 18, not working or saving your money?

Or are these choices people make themselves that eventually lead to them being poor?

The fact that people no longer expect anyone to have any responsibility anymore is very disturbing.

Dude - Why can't you be someone different?

My experience is that the more one complains about 'other' people, the more they need to look at themselves honestly. The more they want others to change, to suit their ideas and selfish needs, the more they need to realize they are not the center of the universe.

Did you ever consider that you could be wrong? No - you're to smart to be wrong - or so you imply. You don't know anything about these 'stupid poor people' and it's disgusting reading your ignorant self-righteous drivel.

Originally posted by 200Plus
reply to post by Spookycolt

 

I disagree that we buy influence directly.

What we do is create dependents. Both domestically and abroad.

In any park in america there are signs that say "Pease do not feed the animals. The animals will grow dependent on the handouts and then they will never learn to take care of themselves".

What happens when generations of people are fed by the government?

We are all - I repeat - we are all dependant on others (government) for our well being. For roads, for water, for electricity, for police, for fire protection, for education. We pay for it collectively for everyone. Where we to have to pay for each item on the list (and more) for each use no one could live.

They aren't handouts - they have been paid for with our (and hopefully someday the weathly's and corporate) taxes. The cost of caring for the poor and desparate is a small price to pay for a degree of SOCIAL (meaning us all) SECURITY against desparate people doing desparate things to survive.

You may want to live in the dark ages, I don't. You may want to be afraid everyday, I don't. And because I don't want those things - I'll willing and happy to pay taxes on top of giving directly to the poor - so they don't starve on the streets and carry disease into our towns and home - all those really kewl things that go along with poverty.

I can't tell you how absolutely disgusted i am with your attitude, and your take on this matter..it is so incredibly offensive..

the blind stupidity, and lack of sense in your posts here is truly staggering....

Originally posted by Spookycolt
That's why poor people love people like you.

Your willing to bail them out. Working two minimum wage jobs is more than enough money to take care of you as long as you haven't been stupid. While you do that start improving yourself with college classes, as much as you can handle and slowly climb your way up.

Keep looking for better jobs and you can get there. I did it.

two minimum wage jobs? ...tell me in what fantasy land you could live on the money made from two minimum wage jobs. i would absolutely love to know.

the assertion that you can make enough money with minimum wage (most likely part time) jobs to pay for a place to live, a way to get to work, food, clothing, and utilities (we'll assume no kids) is laughable, and shockingly idiotic.

and then you further prove you are without a clue, by suggesting there would be money left over to afford college classes...stunning..

Originally posted by Spookycolt
That is precisely my point.

People screw up and put themselves in a position to be poor. Getting felonies and things that make it hard to get a job is the fault of the individual, its not because there is some grand conspiracy by society to keep people down.

They do it to themselves and therefore I have no sympathy for them.

again, you just don't get it....it's so easy to get a felony when the government criminalizes everything...

contrary to the belief your obviously limited experience in the world has left you with, the system IS engineered against the common man, and in favor of those who already have more than they will ever need..

You paint people with a broad brush, and generalize ALL homeless or unemployed people as lazy, unmotivated, degenerate idiots who f**ked up their lives, can't manage money, and aren't willing to try....well guess what dumbass....i'm unemployed, can't get unemployment benefits, can't find work, because either nobody is hiring, or they're all staffed up with illegals. i lost my home, my car, my savings, and had it not been for my parents, i would be on the f**king street....

you wanna call me lazy, or stupid, or a screwup?...u wanna take a shot at me?

sit down, and shut up, you have no idea what you're talking about..just because things are ok for you where you are, doesnt mean that's how it is everywhere...

reply to post by Heisenberg59


When Greece's economy crashed the good guy Finland - or its government - decided to help fellow EU-country in the need of help. The help was a sum 2 billion euros. This money came from Finnish tax payers and their opinion of course was never asked. Couple of months later government announced that Finnish economy is lacking - not more that - 2 billion euros and this will be balanced by rising taxes AND BY TAKING MORE LOAN with interest of course. But that is another story. So where the money went actually? It seems that most of it went to interest of Greece's loans, of which it wont survive as said by many professional economists. After the decision of this help to be carried on the fact was brought to light that this 2 billion euros is going to be actually 6 billion with all expenses put together. New "2 billion help packages" is apparently to be paid by Finland later on considering that it's proven that Greece knowingly haven't played by the EU-rules with their economy.

And yes 6 billion is a big money for Finnish people, because there lives only 6 million citizens. Thats a 1000 euros per capita. 56 billion is 187 dollars per capita. Of which is no little sum nevertheless.

I would have found better usage to that sum of money, than waste them to already bankrupt country. For example polio would have been exterminated from planet earth with that sum. But is it important? No. What's important is that Banks get their money back with interest. The money that they didn't have to begin with (because banks loan out 10 times more money than they have and what they have is only a mark in a paper).

The western countries pulls up like six times more money from Africa than there is made and thats why they are so god damn poor. Its not a bad thing to try help them and with this 56 billion dollars could be done much, much more than with 2 billion euros but I don't think that is the goal of this foreign aid. I think that it's lost. Basic African wont see a dime of it as wont US citizens.

Sad but true.