The Pledge of Allegiance is Brainwashing

Originally posted by FoosM

Originally posted by smwoop
No one is forced to do it, you even admitted it yourself saying you sat out.

Just because you're unpatriotic doesn't mean you have to ruin the pledge for everyone. Some people like to say it because maybe their family has spent years working/sacrificing to get us where we are now. You do know that America is a Christian nation don't you, hence the "Under God" part.

Then why doesn't the pledge say UNDER JESUS?
And why didnt the pledge start with UNDER GOD?
And why add UNDER GOD to exclude others that are not religious in a country that stands for religious freedom?
And what is the point of making kids say a pledge if they are supposed to grow up to be free citizens?

They are pledging to freedom and justice for all. just sayin...

reply to post by smwoop

do you live in the US?

No but I once did, and had to say that stupid pledge every morning

If yes: then maybe you should move out and see if you dont agree with it.

I did move away and no longer had to "Pledge Allegiance" to a piece of cloth.

If no: then maybe you should move in and see how awesome it is minus corrupt politicians trying to shove crap bills down American's throat.

You need to get out and travel my friend...

To the OP, I agree...it's not only the US who does this. Most if not all countries have some sort of similar brainwashing that begins with our youths.

reply to post by Dfairlite


You're right, children take their cues, opinions and beliefs, from their parents. Eventually some end up questioning them and some don't. But I would be highly surprised if your 4 year old child wasn't getting his political opinions of the President from adults (not necessarily you). I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that you share the same opinions as your 4 year old?

The pledge in itself may or may not be harmless. From the posts, you can't fail to recognise that there are people who do perceive it to be unhealthy and unnecessary. I think that what most people object to is the fact that they are made to do it.

it seems to be okay to behave this way with children. It might not go down well if suddenly BHO ordered that all Adults at the sound of a nationwide 'Call to Pledge' had to stop whatever they were doing, to honour the Flag.

Students should have respect enough to stand up and want to say the Pledge of Allegiance instead of being forced to. If the student does not want to stand up out of respect for this country, what are they being taught at home. We force students to take tests, be on time and get good grades. Students need to learn to respect what they take for granted.

Take a minute and think about all the things that we have in this country. We have freedoms and liberties that no other country in the world has. What's more, we have people who live and die so that we can keep those liberties and freedoms. They literally pledged their lives to this country. So, why is it so hard for us to just stand up at school and pledge our allegiance? In my opinion we owe their sacrifices at least that much.

reply to post by N3k9Ni


If our country is so great and grand, because we have all these "freedoms" and so many people have died for our freedoms, why do we learn we have to "Pledge" our Allegiance to the flag and our country? Shouldn't America earn our "Pledge of Allegiance" on its own accords? By that notion, teaching a child to blindly "Pledge their Allegiance" everyday seems rather ignorant to me. Would we be having this argument if you were "Pledging your Allegiance" to a King, or God everyday? I, personally, don't think we should "Pledge our Allegiance" to anything, because the "thing", in this case the Country as a whole, can stand for one thing today, and something I don't wish to relate myself with, the next.

PS: A pledge is rather...asinine...anyways....Actions speak A LOT louder than words.

I am not from the states but I think it depends on the situation how a child learns the pledge.
Is it properly explained to them why they take it?
Do the kids have enough foreknowledge to make their own judgment on whether to take it or not?
Do they agree with it's message?
Is it for the country itself or TPTB or both?
If the child don't have enough information to make a judgment I would say it's a form of brainwashing however minor it may be.

Originally posted by N3k9Ni
We have freedoms and liberties that no other country in the world has.

That's not true.

What's more, we have people who live and die so that we can keep those liberties and freedoms. They literally pledged their lives to this country. So, why is it so hard for us to just stand up at school and pledge our allegiance? In my opinion we owe their sacrifices at least that much.

Every country can make this claim.

reply to post by Dfairlite

Absolutely. My four year old knows BHO is a bad man (he tells me all the time, and no I don't talk about BHO often in front of the kids) and he loves the USA, as well as the flag. Even at four he has separated people from ideas/ideals. An 8 year old is fully capable of the same.

A four year old has absolutely no clue what he is talking about. He is repeating talking points that he's heard from you or other sources. Stop kidding yourself. Your kid is not a special snowflake...he's a 4 year old with limited knowledge and comprehension, like all 4 year olds..

Originally posted by OOOOOO
reply to post by WaterBottle

 

I sure wouldn't want you on my team if there were any chance of facing some serious times. I'm almost certain you are divorced if you were even ever married.


Hopefully it will not take that many more life times, for you to start and realize yourself as more than just a fart in the wind. Sorry Dude..

Believe me I would not want your brainwashed statist self on my team. I imagine you're some form of right wing looney toon by your post.

And what does being married have to do with the pledge of allegiance?

Though it my seem wrong in your view to ask a young person to make a pledge to something of this sort, it would most likely take a Man or Adult to understand what it means to make such a pledge and really mean it in their Heart. Sorry Dude.

So why would you force them to do it everyday bruh?

The not believing in The Creator part also, you should check and see if you are even here, it's easy to see you don't have a clue as to what is taking place. Sorry Dude.

You're makin no sense. Sorry dude.

Originally posted by gangdumstyle
reply to post by Watersbottles

 

OP is directly making things up to fit their agenda here..
We know these types around here..


This agenda is not for a peaceful and intuitive conversation, but to brainwash in itself,
the posters who are younger and more prone to believing things they read on the internet
by American hating goons....

Either way if you do not like the pledge of allegiance to America then get the !!HELL!! out...
If your child goes to a public school, get them the !!HELL!! out.. Homeschool, send to a private school
that does not say the pledge, go to mexico, iran, iraq, move go if you do not like it... Remove your children
if you do not like it. Simple as that..

edit on 4-2-2013 by gangdumstyle because: (no reason given)

You have just demonstrated the absolute sheer hypocracy of so many on here - your constitution is your bible until someone disagrees with you. Doesn't the first amendment allow free speech and opinion?

Sometimes, you guys really do feel like not just a different country, but a different planet. Calm down, grow up and think about what is really important.

reply to post by smwoop

You do know that America is a Christian nation don't you, hence the "Under God" part.

The "under God" part was added in order to make the pledge opposite of the Soviet Union's pledge, which didn't contain a reference to God.

And American isn't a Christian nation; it's a nation with a Christian heritage and many Christians in it. But it was never founded to be a Christian nation. The government was supposed to be secular and it should stay that way.

although i really don't agree with you on there being some kind of brainwashing going on with our pledge, you do have an interesting thought in this. i could very well be wrong, but for now i'll have to disagree.

First of all, I don't believe the pledge to be "brainwashing". I grew up saying the pledge and it didn't automatically make me love this country just because of it. Parents started complaining about the under God part so instead we said "..one nation, united we stand, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all" By the time middle school came tho we didn't say the pledge anymore. Do I think adults should get together and try to get rid of it? No way! Yes, it is a free country so if you don't want your children to say it than tell them not to, but don't stop other people's children from saying it if they want to. Or you could just send your kid(s) to private school. And the pledge isn't to "a piece of cloth" the flag is a symbol of the country, its called symbolism.

No its not. This country was founded on freedoms. One of the original reasons was to get away the smothering of the church in england.

reply to post by tnhiker


Yes, not enough people were being executed as witches for the crew of the Mayflower to stick around.

Originally posted by octotom
reply to post by smwoop

 

You do know that America is a Christian nation don't you, hence the "Under God" part.

The "under God" part was added in order to make the pledge opposite of the Soviet Union's pledge, which didn't contain a reference to God.

And American isn't a Christian nation; it's a nation with a Christian heritage and many Christians in it. But it was never founded to be a Christian nation. The government was supposed to be secular and it should stay that way.

I'm not sure about the god part myself, but in a sense we are under what technically be viewed as god or a god and i think the sun should qualify. I am not advocating sun worship just pragmatism.

reply to post by WaterBottle


Christians should not be making any oaths, including this one (which I did my whole life until the Lord apprehended me with the truth):

Jas 5:12 But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.

Amen, and Amen.

reply to post by WaterBottle


I wouldn't go so far as to say that the pledge is brainwashing. I would say it is a mild form of indoctrination in its current form. I would happily say the pledge of 1892 at appropriate events and situations. To me, the 1892 pledge seems to be affirming my allegiance to the State Republic that I live in, speaks to the union of the State's United, and upholds the principles of liberty and justice. I can support that. The modern pledge not so much.

Originally posted by Dfairlite

Originally posted by FoosM

Originally posted by smwoop
No one is forced to do it, you even admitted it yourself saying you sat out.

Just because you're unpatriotic doesn't mean you have to ruin the pledge for everyone. Some people like to say it because maybe their family has spent years working/sacrificing to get us where we are now. You do know that America is a Christian nation don't you, hence the "Under God" part.

Then why doesn't the pledge say UNDER JESUS?
And why didnt the pledge start with UNDER GOD?
And why add UNDER GOD to exclude others that are not religious in a country that stands for religious freedom?
And what is the point of making kids say a pledge if they are supposed to grow up to be free citizens?

They are pledging to freedom and justice for all. just sayin...

brainwashing. they grow up to assosciate america and the flag with "freedom and justice for all", then when their government are bombing masses of children in foreign lands the brainwashed americans think that the foreign policy is done for "freedom and justice", that america must have good intentions and be saving these people.

it's brainwashing, training children to believe that america is something which it isn't. i'm sure the al qaeda tell their children similar wishy washy messages

reply to post by GrandStrategy

It isn't about what it is but is suppose to be.
The more we separate and isolate the more whom will die.
Keep on breaking up traditions,shunning religion. Ignore all history and believe the media.Don't talk to anyone be rude as you wish.
That is the path to ALL of your freedoms and country's destruction.

It is a small mind indeed that can be brainwased in 12 seconds a day reciting a pledge.

small indeed