"beautiful" LCA

Originally posted by BruteGorilla

Originally posted by chinawhite
i dont read anything posted in this thread because stealth spy is full of #
he gets his info from indian sites and post info here

do u guys really think LCA is gonna beat j-10???

the LCA is full of imported #. dont say the j-10 is no one even knows wat radar its using and the j-10 will be fitted with a chinese engine later on

are you guys trying to compare the chinese military industry to the indian aircraft industry. china already a estabishled .india taking baby steps.

LCA is like a learning process aircraft not a front-line fighter.

[edit on 15-4-2005 by chinawhite]

LCA is imported? Infact Its J-10 which is imported. Its nothing but Israeli Lavi modified by Russians, Russian engine, Russian or Israeli avionics and Radar. It will feature Russian weapons too. Besides, J-10 has structural deficiencies like the three bands on the intake and due to reshaping the rear part of Lavi for accomodating Russian engine. Of recent reports not more than 50 have been produced and Chinese pilots have given in written to not to go ahead with J-10. The Chinese engine you are talking about is also a failure even after being copied version of AL=31 russian engine.

Chinese have not been able to make a fighter aircraft. J-7's are all copies of MiG-21, J-8 is two engined plane which failed untill Russians stepped in, same with FBC etc.

Original J-9 project was shelved after pouring 2 Billion $'s in it. If India is taking baby steps, China has completely failed.


[edit on 15-4-2005 by BruteGorilla]

how is the j-10

aslo any link or is it ur opinion

the j-8 was already a fully workin aircraft program. your indian and ur whole airforce is from overseas

wheres link to failure of chinese engine???? any link i dont think so

only first models have russian stuff the later models are gonna have w-10s and chinese radar with chinese weapons sd-10 pl-12

we didn't have help from russians in airframe

[edit on 15-4-2005 by chinawhite]

Originally posted by BruteGorilla


Original J-9 project was shelved after pouring 2 Billion $'s in it. If India is taking baby steps, China has completely failed.


[edit on 15-4-2005 by BruteGorilla]

where did u get 2 billion from. our defence budget wasn't even that big.

Also dont post bogus claims from karwa

the fact is china can outspend and outproduce anything india makes...end of story.

the fact is india and china recently signed a treaty of some sort that is ment to increase trade and china now formally Recognizes sikkin as a part of india.

this is a must read about chinas aircraft

www.globalsecurity.org...

[edit on 15-4-2005 by chinawhite]

no end of story..
no one gets away with baseless claims like the IAF is "imported"...
Even the frontline fighters (Su30 MKI) have Indian avionics in them..

The J-10 has major foreign undertones...
The LAVI, a reverse -engg. F-16 A blk 15 aircraft from the pakistanis..
If you want a link ..its all there in the J-10 thread on the aircraft forum..

www.abovetopsecret.com...



[edit on 15-4-2005 by Daedalus3]

j-10 is gone forget about it
it time to explore what is gone wrong with it
www.abovetopsecret.com...


and for your signature

did your ever read a ramayana if not let me tell you something about
like sleeping china there is one chracter in ramayan called kumbkaren who always sleep but when wake up destroye every thing whatso ever come in his path but one day when he wake he encounter ram and that day is last day for kumbkaren .

end line is nothing is safe here every body has own day

grow up the two of you..
chill out .. and talk relevant..
no irrelevant flaming..

i have 2 opinions on this jet

it appears to be a copy of mirage series....

plus its radar cross-section is probably huge

so i can see these things being Easy Targets...

India is going to have to do better than this...
maybe they should design their own jet
instead of copying a old one....

i give this jet a

edit::: who do You think will win? Eurofighter vs LCA?
Raptor vs LCA?
Rafale vs LCA?
mig-31 vs LCA?

see my point lol

[edit on 15-4-2005 by muzzleflash]

Originally posted by muzzleflash
plus its radar cross-section is probably huge

It's a very small plane. It will have RCS lower than the MiG-21

edit::: who do You think will win? Eurofighter vs LCA?
Raptor vs LCA?
Rafale vs LCA?
mig-31 vs LCA?

You're comparing heavyweight class to a lightweight class here. LCA is only going to be supporting the Su-30MKI, it will not be a standalone fighter that takes on all those other fighters.

I think the LCA is ok, average. Not overly impressive in any way but not totally worthless either. If for some reason the project fails, it will at least be a good learning experience for those plane designers.

Originally posted by Daedalus3
no end of story..
no one gets away with baseless claims like the IAF is "imported"...
Even the frontline fighters (Su30 MKI) have Indian avionics in them..

The J-10 has major foreign undertones...
The LAVI, a reverse -engg. F-16 A blk 15 aircraft from the pakistanis..
If you want a link ..its all there in the J-10 thread on the aircraft forum..

www.abovetopsecret.com...



[edit on 15-4-2005 by Daedalus3]

what radar su-30mki using i throught it was a russian one.

india has 738 fighters againest chinese airforce and pakistani airforce
not all the fighters are su-30mki only like 150 and a lot of coffins

read everyones post not the ones you want to hear read Taishyou post near the bottom he always knows what his talking about.

[edit on 15-4-2005 by chinawhite]

[edit on 15-4-2005 by chinawhite]

Originally posted by chinawhite

Originally posted by BruteGorilla


Original J-9 project was shelved after pouring 2 Billion $'s in it. If India is taking baby steps, China has completely failed.


[edit on 15-4-2005 by BruteGorilla]

where did u get 2 billion from. our defence budget wasn't even that big.

Also dont post bogus claims

from karwa

You even don't know what hapens in your country. How is that you are even debating. This is not even Kanwa making. Check chinese websites you will find it.

Originally posted by chinawhite

Originally posted by BruteGorilla

Originally posted by chinawhite
i dont read anything posted in this thread because stealth spy is full of #
he gets his info from indian sites and post info here

......in airframe

[edit on 15-4-2005 by chinawhite]

I suggest you read a lot. These stuff is avaliable opensource. Why don't you just google. No spoon feeding.

[edit on 16-4-2005 by BruteGorilla]

Originally posted by muzzleflash
i have 2 opinions on this jet

it appears to be a copy of mirage series....

plus its radar cross-section is probably huge

so i can see these things being Easy Targets...

India is going to have to do better than this...
maybe they should design their own jet
instead of copying a old one....

i give this jet a

edit::: who do You think will win? Eurofighter vs LCA?
Raptor vs LCA?
Rafale vs LCA?
mig-31 vs LCA?

see my point lol

[edit on 15-4-2005 by muzzleflash]

The LCA design is very different from the Mirages. Can you tell me what the Mirage delta is called and what the LCA delta is called? There is a huge difference.

cross section is large? hehe... Go on spill out your theory.

Yo, chinawhite WTF is up with your avatar its taking up half the freaking page, please change it.

EDIT: Problem with avatar solved.

[edit on 15-4-2005 by WestPoint23]

when i said its radar cross section was probably quite large i was under the impression that they were not using much 'stealthy' features

the russians americans french etc are implimenting a host of stealthy features into their aircraft designs these days

a new jet that has only a few; is an easy target

ive read the B-2 has a cross-section of a bumble-bee on average radarsystems

i doubt the new indian jet can compare to that at all

thats why i called it large (i was comparing it , sorry i didnt point that out my bad)

plus despite the minor differances; this jet Does resemble one of the mirage versions
even tho its quite a bit smaller

but this jet isnt exactly "supersmall either"
a UAV is supersmall
this jet is just "smaller than most modern jets"

in the world of stealth tech; making a jet smaller isnt solving your problem very well
its only a small step in the Right direction

India is doing better than they were; im not saying they werent
Im just saying this jet is 'too little too late' to compete in todays world

if you think im wrong say so
im all ears mate

Originally posted by muzzleflash
when i ..........so

im all ears mate

Infact the RCS is prrrty low. There is a huge use of composites. You should realise this is the only known 4th gen aircraft that will be platform for a 5th gen aircraft called MCA.

The LCA was never intended to be 'stealthy' like the F-22 or the F-35..
lol nobody's comparing the LCA to a UAV..
Though I'd be interested to see the difference between a predator UAV length v breadth and the same for an LCA..
The B-2 is in another sphere altogether...
The Lakshya UAV tht the InAF has are also quite massive..
It all comes down to one thing..
Will the enemy radar scramble fighters whn they see a LCA on radar?
No one knows the exact radar signature and I'm sure the indians would like to keep that to themselves...
Secondly will the apparent size of the LCA help lower its signature in A2A combat esp w/o AWACS..
Again .no real way of finding out...

Chinawhite, you are repeating accusations that were debunked in this thread itself!

I strongly suggest you read the thread. The whole thread doesn't consist of Stealth Spy's posts alone

Wow so much discussion over what aircraft is better than what other aircraft...

It all boils down to missiles, Laser systems and Radars/Sensors/Guidance.

You can shoot down any enemy aircraft from a Wright Brothers Original if that plane is equipped with the latest Sensor and weaponry. Speed and maneuverability mean little to nothing in today’s air superiority battles. It’s all about detection, and how you want to destroy what is detected. Laser/Missile or other exotic weaponry.

Stealth is greater than speed and maneuver in today’s world. But some detection systems cannot be stealthed therefore its all about detection systems.

The J-10 is a copy of the Israeli Lavi :

some lavi pics :








and the J-10 :


external image

its engine is ripped off from the Su-27 too.



[edit on 16-4-2005 by Stealth Spy]

[edit on 16-4-2005 by Seekerof]

Both are nothing but modified copies of the F-16s....



seekerof