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Originally posted by siriussam
reply to post by 1nf1del
If you were enlightened would you be searching for anything?
And i didn't state that they wouldn't be on a forum, just that I doubt it, however I am open to the possibility. Answering the questions I supplied would be a step in that direction.
Originally posted by siriussam
reply to post by 1nf1del
I completely agree with you, we do not need to look towards gurus, we need to look at ourselves. Sometimes a little guidance is necessary but ultimately the answer is in ourselves. As we are all different all our journeys are different, and I wish you well on yours my friend .
Originally posted by siriussam
reply to post by Kapablanka
Thank you for answering my questions, your last sentence covers it for me, and calls an end to this thread for me.edit on 30-1-2013 by siriussam because: (no reason given)
Being that greed, hate and lying are not related to truth, there is no motivation to pursue these things. Around age 17 when mindfulness became very focused, awareness of self expanded. Which lead to a major insight a few years later; Direct realization of emptiness of everything. There was no start and stop to any of these processes just fluidity leading to a mental condition of luminous thoughtlessness, whereby, anything can be considered, such a condition is free from heavy thoughts that weight one down, consider a still glass pond or lake, smooth. This leads to understanding thought as something that originates from wrong view.
Originally posted by dominicus
reply to post by Kapablanka
Being that greed, hate and lying are not related to truth, there is no motivation to pursue these things. Around age 17 when mindfulness became very focused, awareness of self expanded. Which lead to a major insight a few years later; Direct realization of emptiness of everything. There was no start and stop to any of these processes just fluidity leading to a mental condition of luminous thoughtlessness, whereby, anything can be considered, such a condition is free from heavy thoughts that weight one down, consider a still glass pond or lake, smooth. This leads to understanding thought as something that originates from wrong view.
So it spontaneously began at 17?
Where would One start with all of this based on the blueprints that it happened to you? It seems to all have happened very naturally and spontaneously, whereas for most others, there requires a period of research, trial, and error.
FOr example for me, it started off when I read a Koan and wrestled with it mentally. It resulted in various insights that basically destroyed everything I thought I was. From there on out, there were still various mental tendencies that remained so it was a matter of a few year of pushing away the Mind/ego as not me until an equanimity emerged. So in my case, there is a set value of factors, or blueprints, which can be followed by anyone.
What then are your blueprints for others to get to where you are?
Like you said, for some it is spontaneous, but for others who meditate for a lifetime never reach enlightenment, I don't believe there is a blueprint that you can apply to everybody, when we are all climbing the mountain, we don't all have the same climbing skills, some will fall back to the bottom and forever search for a way to the top while others will just scale the mountain like Spiderman!
Originally posted by dominicus
Yes that's true indeed, however we have not yet in this thread heard of the OP's way there. It may be very universal and applicable to many people here and therefore, let this person speak!!!!
Originally posted by Kapablanka
Depends what kind of love, the love in my heart, ya I'm a good guy I'll give you the shirt off my back, the other love I don't know about that one, no one loves me. Sad, but true, from an abusive dysfunctional family of sadistic pirates. I'm such a twisted case I could dwell alone in silence for years with a smile on my face, oh wait I already do that. might make the big jump at some point, can't see why not, lol.
Originally posted by Kapablanka
Originally posted by siriussam
reply to post by Kapablanka
Thank you for answering my questions, your last sentence covers it for me, and calls an end to this thread for me.edit on 30-1-2013 by siriussam because: (no reason given)
You stated, if I were, ''you,'' therefore its only fitting to answer the question from the perspective of ''you,'' aka ''I''
Your intention to claim I am false indicates your egotistical nature and desire for something you feel you cannot achieve or realize, whereas everyone else is openly exploring the concept, as stated in my OP, ''May or may not be enlightened.''
Yes, this thread is over for you in so far as you've made it clear you have nothing to offer.
You miss understand me, you made it clear that we should not ask questions of someone who is enlightened, as someone who is enlightened it would seem to fly into the face of your advice to carry on asking you questions/ looking for answers, so in turn the thread for me is at an end, i am taking your advice.
If you were truly enlightened, I doubt very much you would be wasting your time on a conspiracy website forum.
i just doubt that a true enlightened being would concern themselves with the argument and counter argument that would inevitably occur on a forum such as this.
Also would an enlightened being advertise themselves as such, I truly don't think they would
too much ego involved in the grandiose revealing of, for all intense and purposes a super being and smacks of someone wanting rather than being enlightened.
If you were enlightened would you be searching for anything? would you not have found oneness with the UNIverse?
To be fair you have no idea of what my true understanding of enlightenment is, many Taoist texts describe enlightened beings as being the normal bloke on the street, but this is part of my doubt, they pass through life without leaving any footsteps, they generally do not shout it from the rooftops because they don't need to, they teach by making people think they did it themselves, strong words softly spoken, but I am a fan of the Tao Te Ching and that may be tainting my view.
As for Jesus and the Buddha, they both preached that the divine light and ability for enlightenment is in us all, and i believe it is, I don't believe they would pronounce them selves on a forum as " I believe I am enlightened, discuss".
How is this promoting love and understanding, The fact that people are asking it to be discussed about themselves just sounds like either they have too much ego involved or they are not sure themselves and are looking for confirmation. So to me, the problem or lack of understanding is the ops motivation in starting the post.
Originally posted by siriussam
reply to post by dominicus
As I said though Jesus and Buddha didn't turn up and say "hey i believe I'm enlightened, discuss".
Of course enlightenment must be exciting, but enlightenment is the journey not the destination. I have no problem with discourse relating to the path, I love it in fact, my life has been about my spiritual side from the age of 13, the path has gone through new age theories to Shamanism,Ayurveda to Taoism and currently Zen Buddhism, all of which (but also none of) make me today. So this topic is very close to my heart. So if someone turned up to my local village and started discussing life with people who wanted to listen, I would be more than happy to join in and learn something. If they turned up and said "hey i believe I'm enlightened, discuss" the discussion starts of from an ego basis/ about the self. Not how i imagine the Buddha or Jesus to start up talking to the people, but i could be wrong.
I read somewhere that there was a guru who believed he could enlighten some one in five minutes, but the effect would drive them crazy. Do you think this is true?
I believe that it is about the path because to quote Kung Fu Panda "the past is gone, the future is unknown, the now is a gift, that is why it is called the present" lol can't believe i quoted that, may also be mis quoted, but you catch my drift. I think it is in the now,
i have inklings and flashes of enlightenment, but to use it as a goal for me personally invites the ego into the equation (failure/ success).