Mothership Enters Atmosphere Over Russia At Night, Frightens Public, Jan 21, 2013.

Originally posted by Andromerius
That is just speculation for this does not look anything like a rocket launch or it's abort procedure. Rockets reach orbit or travel thousands of miles in a minute or two, not like this for several minutes. They do not leave a glow behind. Whatever this is, and i am leaning towards a natural phenomenon this is NOT a rocket.

A spacecraft in orbit travels about 300 miles per minute. Anything going as fast as you specify would be flung out of the Solar System. And ascending rockets leave glows -- exhaust trails -- that can linger 20 minutes or more, as recorded for decades.

Often what we think we know gets in the way of finding out what we should know.

Your descriptions of what a rocket launch should look like are imaginary, and cannot be reality-based because they conflict with every genuine perception of actual rocket launchings.

Where did you get those misimpressions? Pure conjecture? Hollywood SFX? Video games? Saturday morning cartoons? These sources really do leave impressions on many people's minds.

You need to struggle free of your misconceptions and misinformation to open your mind to the much more wonderful realities that surround us.

Originally posted by FireballStorm

Originally posted by twitchy

Originally posted by mbkennel
This what missile launches look like.

Wouldn't a missile launch contrail extend from a launch site on the ground rather than terminating in mid-air?

It does - you just can't see it since unlike the upper parts of the contrail which are in the sunlight, the lowest parts of the contrail are in Earth's shadow. You can however clearly see where Earth's shadow begins since the lower part of the contrail becomes progressively more red in colour. This is due to the scattering of light by Earth's atmosphere - just like when the Sun is observed close to or on the horizon at sunset or sunrise, it appears red in colour.

So the part of the contrail towards the base is being lit by light that is passing through Earth's atmosphere at a low angle (ie. passing though the atmosphere at an angle that takes it through the thickest part of the atmosphere, and the thicker the atmosphere, the more the blue light is scattered, leaving only/mostly red light to be reflected from the contrail back to the eye of an observer).

Precisely. Kudos to an expert.

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Russia secretly testing missile capabilities, are they preparing for somethine BIG!?

Seriously this should be moved to WW3 and speculated upon.

Your Welcome.


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S n F - this thread needs moved... fast

Originally posted by AnonLover
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Russia secretly testing missile capabilities, are they preparing for somethine BIG!?

First things first. How do we know this isn't a ten year old video repackaged?

With fictitious headlines added in?

Consider the source.

Originally posted by JimOberg

Originally posted by AnonLover
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Russia secretly testing missile capabilities, are they preparing for somethine BIG!?

First things first. How do we know this isn't a ten year old video repackaged?

With fictitious headlines added in?

Consider the source.

Your right... sigh...

reply to post by jjsirius

Date of sighting: January 21, 2013
Location of sighting: Russia

Small detail, I know, but if this video was taken in Russia on January 21st, why is there no snow on the roof of the building in the foreground?

rt.com...

The alleged date is false. The video is clearly a rocket launch, as explained in detail by posters like Jim Oberg, who has seen more rocket launches than most people have had hot meals. This thread belongs in [HOAX].

What do people think about Ball Lightning being a possible explanation?

Originally posted by LaPluie
What do people think about Ball Lightning being a possible explanation?

I'd suggest it's an explanation in search of a puzzle that requires it.

But as wide a list of theories is needed to start considering a viable explanation, so in the early phase, I'd agree that judgment ought to be suspended to encourage creativity.

So -- good suggestion, and a healthy process.

Picking an answer too early can blind you to problems with it, and attractions of alternatives.

I speak from personal experience.

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Explanation: Uhmmm?

The most spectacular tracks occur when the plume trail is sunlit, from over the horizon. in northern latitudes, that lasts almost all night.

Unfortunately it is winter time in the Northern Hemisphere ... and hence it is dark for 6months of the year at extreme northerly latitudes, so if it was launched recently ... would that be the case?

However the date of the video is ambiguous and we cant take the youtube upload date as accurate!

Here is the unedited video ... [note the music in the audio seems to be overlaid for emotional effect.]



Also I did try looking for similar images on google and none were older than 2013.

Further more ... upon accessing and setting closed captions to english [which seemed to be a very poor translation, although I have no real comprehension of russian] I was able to take this screen grab at the point the lady and the man had been discussing Obama, nasa , money and some english school headmaster at a combined english russian/kazahk/english school headmaster during the vid that was being taken ...



Personal Disclosure: Just bizzare on many counts!

It's obviously a mothership entering Earth's atmosphere disguised as a rocket launch.

Cool down, people.

That's a really cool rocket launch.

Beside the fact that this looks like a rocket/missile launch from start to finish, and the fact that this is something leaving the atmosphere not entering - I think I will go with the explanation provided by someone who:

1) worked for NASA for over 20 years and:
2) is considered one of the top (if not the top) specialists in Soviet/Russian space programs - as well as publishing several books on their space program - and additionally:
3) has often been called to testify before congress on the Russian space program and has even:
4) authored a book on weaponizing space (sponsored by the US military)...

Yeah. If Jim Oberg gives an opinion/fact about rocket launches - especially Russian rocket launches, I really don't care what any self-appointed expert in this thread thinks. He is an expert that you can google yourself to find his qualifications.

Oh, and the comments like "chinese lanterns' and "swamp gas" etc. that try to belittle others is really just making you look like an idiot instead.

I still don't see a mothership. I would like to participate in the thread more but cannot as I don't see the mothership.
Not trying to be a sarcastic prude. But I cant see the mothership and op wont answer back..

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To call that a mother ship is nothing but an attempt to discredit ufology .

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There's no mother ship. OP was mistaken or trying to get a rise out of people...I'm going with the latter.


Check out page 2 of the thread, or any input Mr. Oberg has chimed in with. You will learn a lot about this sort of thing, and remember it the next time someone passes it off as something more than what it truly is.

reply to post by MmmPie


Thanks mang will do.

Thanks for the kind words.

The scary thing I've come to realize is that the MORE familiar a person is with a certain category of visual phenomenon, the more likely they are to misinterpret other things they see to fit their experience.

Our brain seems to work from partial visual fraghments that cue up existing 'packages' of familiar objects, often -- to save time, and maybe avoid becoming saber-tooth-tiger-poop, 'filling in' a visual impression as quickly as possible, and in the most immediately dangerous form.

So in my case, I might see a high altitutde contrail at an unusual angle, and 'see' an ascent plume. This really happened a little more than a year ago out in LA when a CBS News traffic copter got that 'secret SLBM launch' video that was a nine days wonder until it was matched to a scheduled cargo aircraft overflight.

Everybody here contributes their own experience base, and their own requirement for answers, not knee-jerk instincts. The questions I've gotten, and the sincere and reasonable misunderstandings about spaceflight i've encountered, have been awesome contributions to my own gradual realization of how each of our own visual experiences need to be pooled, and overlaid. And it's a reminder to me that my own head is full of similar silly notions about phenomena you all are intimately familiar with -- and generously share.

The bigger issue of rockets and space events shaping Soviet/russian UFO experiences is an awesome story, too, that I had the immense pleasure of sleuthing out over the last quarter century. There are a lot of detailed case studies and overviews of my results on my home page.

This one video is just one example -- EACH view of each launch is a small data point in public reaction to them, and their cultural impact.

Whatever is behind the overall phenomenon, it's provided amazing insights into many aspects of culture, perception, and folklore. To me, it's really worth digging into, because it is NOT 'all nonsense' at all. Even if it may be 'mostly'. But then, isn't everything else in life, too?

interesting find

this reminds me of something, hrm what was that,



oh yah rocket launches at florida space port.

^^

Something fell out of the sky, nothing extraordinary.
Here is identical video: