Regarding those who claim freemasons worship lucifer -

reply to post by DanielToTheEnd


Dammnit! Are you telling me we have a new doomsday date? Already? Christmas of 2014?

Well, I guess I had better take the for sale sign off of my bunker.

We don't know what we are serving for the next meal, so I highly doubt we have the ability to discern the end of the world. Relax, nobody knows when it's coming. It would ruin the surprise!

reply to post by DanielToTheEnd


If a giant meteor was going to impact earth and kill everyone, what would you like to know before hand?
What news of importance could be brought to you? Oh wait, I know, bend over and kiss your azz goodbye. Is that was you wanted to hear? Lucifer awaits your answer.

Originally posted by DanielToTheEnd
The letters SHTWSSTK translate to 14 alpha delta which represents 2014 AD.

Call me a stupid low-level, but you're going to have to explain to me both your "translation" and the meaning of the original letters to Freemasonry.

The set-square, compass and "G" translate to 25 December of the same year.

Call me a stupid low-level, but you're going to have to explain to me how you "translate" two objects and a letter into a calendar date.

Also, the "G" inside the square is only found in America and countries heavily influenced thereby, so the rest of the world only knows about the...25? The December? I don't know.

reply to post by justlittleoldme


Apology unnecessary

I was trying to get the point across, that I don't have anything against Masons, period. I do however, think it is of ill-conscious to vehemently deny any type of global conspiracy in the world, when they can't know either way; and then start attacking the people who disagree with them...

All we have are opinions on these matters, sharing them is fine....Sharing the tidbits on why you hold your opinions is fine...However, going so far as to present them as fact is not..

/E: Not particularly addressed at you friend, just the situation in general...I'm not saying that there aren't just good and bad people in the world; but even analogy would stand do reason that there would be some type of organization that would be opposite of Freemasonry's goal...

reply to post by DanielToTheEnd

Who says our symbols represent "doomsday"?

The letters SHTWSSTK translate to 14 alpha delta which represents 2014 AD.

LOL No it doesn't. Silly rabbit. Where did you come up with this false information?

The set-square, compass and "G" translate to 25 December of the same year.

According to who? You should realize while your striking out that the "G" is primarily an American device and even then it is not universally used in all jurisdictions of Freemasonry.

reply to post by KSigMason


Aha...
BUT! But Can The Letter G Be A Masonic Map...
Start At 30 Degrees... Round Off To The Left Path And Go Around Til You Come Up At 90 Degrees Whereafter You Go Left Again And Straight To The Center Of Things.

Why The Left Path Huh? Huh? Huh? Huh?

reply to post by OnTheLevel213


It is on grave markers..
HIRAM, TYRIAN, WIDOW'S SON,
SENDETH TO KING SOLOMON."

Most people start at the bottom for some reason and get his translation. It reads from the top center (which makes sense to a mason).

there is no "worshiping lucifer". only yahweh the insecure god of the jewish old testament requires his followers to worship him.

reply to post by DanielToTheEnd

I would also like clarification on how you arrived at this I addressed the initials and what they mean. I would like to see the works though. Curious what you are inferring about the knocks and circles as well, you do know that 3 is a sacred number in many religions, right?

reply to post by Jamjar

It is great that you can see the brotherhood as farmers instead of hunters as you previously stated, but I am left confused at the addition of 'dishonest'. I can only see the addition of this word to mean one of two things.

1. You are able to (wrongly) judge what is in our hearts, which is something I thought that only God has the ability to do.

Or

2. You are proving AugustusMasonicus correct in his assertion that you change things to suit your agenda, unless there is a bible quote that mentions "Dishonest farmer" that I am unaware of.

I hope you can clear up this confusion for me.

You note a paradox because you pretext is not according to the true context of what I said. This happens when you are clinging to a lower set of axioms. A higher axiom resolves the issue.

The Bible is where we head. You can search the key words to find the scripture. There are builders who reject the cornerstone. This would be someone who claims the office, yet uses it for duplicitous reasons. The Cornerstone is Christ, the lost Word. Specifically, it is the character of that name. The character is giving and not taking. Saying they are givers, yet producing fruit of war and private associations for advantage shows duplicity.

For the Christian, the duplicity is the same. Taking on the name of Christ apart from the character is taking the name in vain for the same reason. In this case, the same dishonesty is assumed. No paradoxes.

Originally posted by EnochWasRight
Taking on the name of Christ apart from the character is taking the name in vain for the same reason. In this case, the same dishonesty is assumed. No paradoxes.

Well, I am glad we can finally agree on something. Fabricating for Jesus is dishonest. Fabricating is building. According to you, builders are bad.

Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus

Originally posted by EnochWasRight
Taking on the name of Christ apart from the character is taking the name in vain for the same reason. In this case, the same dishonesty is assumed. No paradoxes.

Well, I am glad we can finally agree on something. Fabricating for Jesus is dishonest. Fabricating is building. According to you, builders are bad.

Not the house. The foundation is what is important. The cornerstone is placed first. Everything else is set in reference to that first stone being placed. All that follows from the cornerstone then reflects the final product. Some builders reject this cornerstone. "Beware lest they take thy shadow!"

The foundation cannot be other men. This reference is not solid.

Originally posted by EnochWasRight
Not the house. The foundation is what is important.

If the foundation of one's premise is based on untruth then one is dishonest and as you yourself said, 'builders' (fabricators of facts) are bad.

Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus

Originally posted by EnochWasRight
Not the house. The foundation is what is important.

If the foundation of one's premise is based on untruth then one is dishonest and as you yourself said, 'builders' (fabricators of facts) are bad.

Good, we are at the root. The foundation is either the will of God or the will of man. It's either giving and receiving what is earned or take what is desired. The cornerstone is the will of God. God's will was to place us here. We have free will. Consider what I just posted in another thread.

Does a light desire to shine for itself or is it simply willing to show the path for anyone in need of light?

Why does love keep no records of wrongs, yet freewill demands judgment? Because light reveals what it hits. True for me and you equally. I am not judging you. I am showing you what light reveals about practicing a craft that God disallows. I show you based on the cornerstone of truth. Nothing about you. You can make it about me if you like, but we are equally judged by the light.

RUMI

Why freewill is good for man.
God said, "Do thou grant his earnest request,
Enlarge his faculty according to his freewill.
Freewill is as the salt to piety,
Otherwise heaven itself were matter of compulsion.
In its revolutions reward and punishment were needless,
For 'tis freewill that has merit at the great reckoning.
If the whole world were framed to praise God,
There would be no merit in praising God.
Place a sword in his hand and remove his impotence,
To see if he turns out a warrior or a robber.
Because freewill is that wherewith 'we honor Adam,' 1
Half the swarm become bees and half wasps.
The faithful yield honeycombs like bees,
The infidels yield store of poison like wasps.
For the faithful feed on choice herbs,
So that, like bees, their chyle yields life-giving food,
Whilst infidels feed on filth and garbage,
And generate poison according to their food."
Men inspired of God are the fountain of life;
Men of delusions are a synonym for death.
In the world the praise "Well done faithful servant!"
Is given to freewill which is used with prudence.
If all dissolute men were shut up in prison,
They would all be temperate and devout and pious.
When power of choice is absent actions are worthless;
But beware lest death snatch away your capital!
Your power of choice is a capital yielding profit,
Remember well the day of final account!

Free will allows light to reveal what it hits.

Can you hear the voice? Did God allow anything that was not good; beneficial; needful? The song below. Is it relevant? Can you reflect by the light?

LYRICS

FLEET - to cause (time) to pass usually quickly or imperceptibly. Compared to eternity, what is this life? It is fleeting. Read the lyrics.

Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus

Originally posted by EnochWasRight
Not the house. The foundation is what is important.

If the foundation of one's premise is based on untruth then one is dishonest and as you yourself said, 'builders' (fabricators of facts) are bad.

RUMI spells Capital correctly. Did you catch that?

reply to post by EnochWasRight


I must have missed the part in that irrelevant rambling where it is okay to lie for Jesus.

Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
reply to post by EnochWasRight

 

I must have missed the part in that irrelevant rambling where it is okay to lie for Jesus.

You judge me, saying that I am judging you. I don't judge you at all. I reveal the difference between a Craft and Faith. One takes and builds from the resource. The other accepts the resource as a gift so that it can then be given again. My words have never been against you at all. I can only be for your own well-being by presenting the truth. You fault me for having fault. True. We are all fallen here in the land of the fallen. This is the first step to recovery. Admit you are the problem. We are all in this same boat together. By judging me, you cling to what I reveal as error. Your foundation for upholding the error is to use me as the target of your judgment. Not so. Truth is light that only reveals what it hits. Shine a light, as I have tried to do for you, and dispel ignorance with truth if you hold it.

Bias against me is not context to the subject. You say Crowley is not a Mason. I say that a definition of Mason is needed beyond those who 'take' that name in vain. We are all builders if we use our mind. How good of a builder are we? Is our cornerstone set true?

It is possible Crowley was a Mason. It entirely depends on which of the sites you examine. It is possible he was not fully a Mason by recognition of the Masons themselves. Again, we can't know because the Masons hold everything in secret. If he was, the secret allows the lie. If he wasn't, we still can't trust this if the organization is secretive. How can those who hide in the shadows practicing magic be known in the light? I am happy leaving it at a mystery knowing he was a Mason by Craft at some point in his life. Theurgy and Ritual Magic is what it is no matter who names their practice legitimate or otherwise. No amount of authority can claim command over law that is not theirs to break.

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1°-3° Iniation(s)
4°-7° Principle(s)
8°-14° Discipline(s)
15°-22° Practice(s)
23°-32° Experience(s)
33° Union (Mastery)

Seems Well Enough... I Use It To Charm Myself...

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Have You Ever Heard Of This Stuff Before???

Originally posted by EnochWasRight
You judge me, saying that I am judging you. I don't judge you at all. I reveal the difference between a Craft and Faith. One takes and builds from the resource.

I could not care if you are judging me, your opinion of me is less relevant than a pimple on someone's backside.

The resource you draw from is desception and the atrifice you build is dishonesty. People are on to your hypocrisy.

My words have never been against you at all. I can only be for your own well-being by presenting the truth.

But by presenting faslehoods you are against everyone, including Jesus. He is very proud, I am sure.

Shine a light, as I have tried to do for you, and dispel ignorance with truth if you hold it.

Well in that case I wish I had a billion candle power searchlight I could direct your way.

Bias against me is not context to the subject. You say Crowley is not a Mason. I say that a definition of Mason is needed beyond those who 'take' that name in vain.

It has been given to you.

We are all builders if we use our mind. How good of a builder are we? Is our cornerstone set true?

In relation to you? Damn straight.

It is possible Crowley was a Mason. It entirely depends on which of the sites you examine. It is possible he was not fully a Mason by recognition of the Masons themselves.

The hypocritical, religious zealot will examine only[/]i the sites that adhere to his narrow mindset and preconceived agenda. The open-minded individual looking for the truth will examine the evidence and find, as any rational human being would, that Crowley joined an irregular group, and by his subsequent actions, left that group upon finding they were irregular.

Again, we can't know because the Masons hold everything in secret.

This is patently false. Only 5 passwords and handshakes and some aspects about candidate preperation are considered secret and even these can be found in a minute of searching online. But you knew this already and despite that, you need to claim this as it supports your dishonest tact.

edit on 30-1-2013 by AugustusMasonicus because: networkdude has no beer