The New Age movement is quite literally confused and mad!

Originally posted by AthlonSavage

Now i have finally come to realise i was mainly off track about the above. What i have realised is most new age gurus, lightworkers, guides dont really know what they are talking about. What they know is alot of phrases and jargon which kinda sounds mystical, clever, intelligent and deep but in reality its fictional nonscence they are making up. Whats really ironic is i have come to realise they have fooled themselves with this nonscence and really do believe in it. Yes they belioeve their own BS. Unfortunately for them it being nonscence means the only true point of reference they can ever really ascend to is that where contradiction, confusion and maddness reside as the dominion of their mental faculties.

This is the original op.
Now the thread has been taken over by extremists saying spiritual speakers are mass murderers.
See how an idea can turn to extremes but it is just one that can lead.
Put a flag up and you will be attacked or defended, well both, attacked and defended. Divide and conquer. Labels divide and the op has made up a concept and the people do what people do - fight over it.
Justifications and generarlizations are brought forward to prove how right their assertion is. It all gets out of hand because the original thought has grown into something that 'these people' should not be allowed to get away with!! And then there can be war, or a rounding up of them.
Some take it to the extreme.

reply to post by Ewok_Boba

Let me give you a simple GRE question.

If there were 10000 spiritual disciplines in the world from 1850 to 2013, and 250 of them involved mass suicide, 150 of them involved murder, and 1200 included some degree of sexual promiscuity, which one of the following is an accurate depiction of all spiritual disciplines?

1) There are degrees of extremism in all spiritual disciplines.
2) Their teachings can be generalized as not having significant value to the individual or to the community.
3) The pursuits of respective schools of thought will lead to a destructive and poisoned society.
4) The question asked is utter nonsense.

You're right it is a gross generalization, which you apparently have no problem doing, yet I'm the dishonest one. A few outlier groups in no way represent them all as a collective, and by using that to take the affirmative, you are directly violating ATS T&C.

Again, you've posted nothing substantial with all of that text. Just popularized incidences separated by time and space. You've provided ample evidence of extremism which is reflective of those people who use examples of Shariah law and terrorism to blame Muslims for the conflicts plaguing the world today. I did mention truth. Nothing of what I've said was dishonest. It's what a critical thinker would conclude from your post. I haven't taken sides, nor am I decrying anyone but you at the moment for presenting one-sided information.

I'm not saying people shouldn't use their heads here. I'm all for that. But I certainly don't care for people like the OP who were undisciplined in their pursuits to begin with.

I haven't "popularized" anything. I merely stated incidents of new religious movements getting out of control—something you still claim, despite the death and destruction, is unsubstantiated. Try telling that to the families of those that were lost. Refusing to look at evidence is not critical thinking.

I was honest enough to say I was generalizing. Will you do the same? Will you mention how you generalize about "people like the OP?" Us trolls? Or will you refute my claims by providing evidence and not your over-emotionally gut reaction to my opinions?

reply to post by AfterInfinity

If that makes us inferior or worthy of judgment, then I would advise you take a close look at your own spiritual path to see why you feel that way, because it sounds like that path makes you no more enlightened or knowledgeable on such a condition than the rest of us.

I would never call anyone inferior. I also cannot judge someone without knowing them. If my words make you feel inferior, you should probably find out why. I am merely attacking ideas here, and in turn, I get attacked personally for what I think. Attack what I think, not the one doing the thinking.

Please show me where in my polemic I am wrong, I am open-minded enough to admit when I'm wrong, not how I should conduct myself on the internet. Let's resort to logic and reason, not emotions.

reply to post by Itisnowagain

Now the thread has been taken over by extremists saying spiritual speakers are mass murderers.

I hope it justifies your beliefs further to call me an extremist and to put words in my mouth. How about you refute what I say instead of calling me names. Refute the evidence I posted, provide counter evidence, or realize to yourself that I am not talking about you and you are in no way associated with the fanatics I mentioned. My words cause no harm here unless you allow it.

reply to post by LesMisanthrope


I was generalizing. I was not speaking directly to you but if the cap fits.

reply to post by Itisnowagain
You are right about one thing, the thread has been hijacked by extremists. The things people resort to when their beliefs are under attack astound me. I suppose it would be better if we were burned at the stake for speaking blasphemy, or at the very least, keep our mouths shut.

Fair enough.

reply to post by LesMisanthrope


A concept was made up. 'New Age Movement' is a loose concept that it seems everyone has ideas about which are different. It is a great game. Fighting over ideas.

reply to post by LesMisanthrope


My point here is that instead of ridiculing a spiritual path for not making sense, examine the fruit it produces. Calculus is all gibberish to me, but that doesn't mean Calculus is completely worthless. In my mind, the "New Age" movement represents self-empowerment and compassion. Knowing that you control your own life, learning how to use that which you can't control to make yourself better, and being willing to use your talents to help those who are weaker. I admire those things in any kind of spirituality, and I see them in comparatively few.

reply to post by AfterInfinity


I have. In fact, I've spent a better part of my life doing so. I was ascetic, went on spiritual pilgrimages, considered myself pious and so forth. I've been there. The fruit of it has always been my eventual repudiation of it.

Personally I dont think what you believe, as long as you're not embracing the dark side, but striving to heal up from this world's experiences, forgive others, seeking the happiness of others and striving to find ways to solve problems in a positive win/win for everyone, matters. New Age, Eclectic, Religious with discernment and choosing Love not Smiting or Forcing others to live under theologies or fascism.

But there is a mystery, something they keep hidden, that Christ was as symbol for. And that is to connect within, to be the Water, to seek within, to shine forth your light to solve problems, to step into your Higher Energies to bring those in, to wake up more, and they themselves, guard this, even murder the Christ's/Buddha's who bring it up, if they have enough of a following to make a difference.

Whereas, they use this knowledge to cut themselves off from their Higher Self/Source, and be the empire trapped in the school universe.

Christ still symbolizes the way home. There are many christ's, at least those walking in His footsteps, and some have been murdered.


A Poisoned World ~ Why The illuminati killed Bruce Lee (from 3 23 on gets good, though the first is also good, the sound is bad due to the jet sound)

And I don't consider that to be New Age.

This was Bruce's last interview by the way.

reply to post by BlueMule

Where is my jet-pack? And my hover-car? And my moon-colony? Science has failed to deliver... where is a thread to vent about the failure of science?

Well here it is I already wrote a thread along the lines of your questions, and i can say it didnt receieve anywhere near the attention this one did so what is that saying about peoples perception of the relative value between Religious metaphysical philosophical concepts versus Scientific concepts.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by Unity_99

Christ still symbolizes the way home. There are many christ's, at least those walking in His footsteps, and some have been murdered.

Christ is a mythical symbol. Hes a symbol of human suffering, that we must suffer pain to ascend. As far as i am concerned he can stay on the cross because thats where he is the most happiest.

reply to post by AthlonSavage

Hes a symbol of human suffering, that we must suffer pain to ascend.

Hence, the necessity for sin.

reply to post by Unity_99


Why would you not want people to embrace the darkside? What is your understanding of it?

The New Age is NOT empowerment. It tells you to get out of the driver seat of the car of life and to let a being claiming to be an alien savior or an angel to drive your car of life FOR you, when you could have done so yourself.

Of course, you can also know that the car AND the car ride is TEMPORARY as all things are. Even so-called "memories' change with time..

Darkness is NOT pain and suffering, it is the mother's womb where the baby (light) is born in peace/pure-acceptance. Pain and suffering happens when we identify with the light instead of understanding that light is just an appearence. All things in this world come to life and then crumble - nothing lasts forever, even beliefs and perspectives change so the so-called "Spirit' / "light body" is always changing as well. Only the Soul (Darkness) is constant as it accepts and allows.

reply to post by Itisnowagain

This is the original op.
Now the thread has been taken over by extremists saying spiritual speakers are mass murderers.
See how an idea can turn to extremes but it is just one that can lead.
Put a flag up and you will be attacked or defended, well both, attacked and defended. Divide and conquer. Labels divide and the op has made up a concept and the people do what people do - fight over it.
Justifications and generarlizations are brought forward to prove how right their assertion is. It all gets out of hand because the original thought has grown into something that 'these people' should not be allowed to get away with!! And then there can be war, or a rounding up of them.
Some take it to the extreme.

This thread has worked brilliantly hasnt it. Now we are all under one solitary label "Extremeists", all heading in the same direction now. I have brought order and union to the Galaxy... i mean Earth....the Galaxy next.

reply to post by arpgme

Why would you not want people to embrace the darkside? What is your understanding of it?

Lets hear your answers to these questions first, or are you afraid to look into your darkside.

reply to post by AthlonSavage


Order will only last until it bigger force arrives. Union will only last for the time-period people believe in one concept. Things are always changing. Sooner or later, someone arrive with a differing opinion.

reply to post by arpgme

Order will only last until it bigger force arrives. Union will only last for the time-period people believe in one concept. Things are always changing. Sooner or later, someone arrive with a differing opinion.

I have arrived i am God you can follow now.

reply to post by AthlonSavage


It's the darkness that contains the light.
There is no one to follow.

reply to post by arpgme

It's the darkness that contains the light.
There is no one to follow.

I am the darkness contained in the light what more proof do you need than this thread which you are following, in fact i predict your next reply in about ten minutes.