City Council Member Despot Gets Owned! - Tries Throwing Out War Vet With CCW Permit

Typical liberal politician turning his back on a wounded combat veteran. I have a feeling he will be voted out of office very soon. If I were that veteran, I'd run against him in the next election.

reply to post by TrueAmerican


Well, that councilman is a big baby, but I guess that he had the ability and right to put it up for a vote and then not be present for the remainder of the meeting.

But, if that affects his ability to do his job, he should be bounced right out of that position.

Originally posted by Golf66

Originally posted by xedocodex
People have the right to demand that people not carry guns in certain places if they choose to. If this guy has a paranoia issue, a ego issue, or just feels like his penis is too small...I'm sorry, but it doesn't give you the right to bring a gun into a place where it makes the majority of people feel uncomfortable.

Actually - no I can carry a weapon wherever I want unless prohibited by law. I could care less if anyone is scared or offended by it. You probably come into daily contact with numerous people who are carrying a weapon and never even know it. A good many of them war veterans. Is it more scary knowing its there or not knowing?

You've already proven to me in your thread about the Constitution granting rights that you have no clue how the American Republic works so I’ll not debate it further with you. I’ll Just let you know that I feel you and people like you are more dangerous with a keyboard and voting privileges than I ever will be with a handgun.

edit on 25/1/2013 by Golf66 because: (no reason given)

And any place can ask you to leave for any reason they wish, especially if you are a perceived threat. Sure, you can yell and scream about it, but the police will still escort you off the property. You make me laugh with your Rambo-esq thinking and high and mighty gun owner mentality.

It's funny, because in the Constitutional gun control measures thread, you failed to show how any of those are unconstitutional. You just didn't like them so you said they were. And you are doing the same here, you are uncomfortable, you can't form a logical rebuttal, so you just dismiss what is said and claim "I win". Good luck with that.

And by "dangerous" if you mean "effective", then yes. People like me that can use their words to make progress, use organization and education to promote awareness, and get people to use their votes in a constructive way are way more effective than the majority of gun owners I see and hear who's response to the problem is "Let's shoot it", "Revolution", or "Texas".

If you see that as "dangerous", then yes, we are very dangerous because we are much better armed in the gun control debate, and all gun owners have is catch 22 with their solutions of "let's shoot them" in response to gun control. Think about it.

Originally posted by AfterthoughtWhen you are near someone getting into their vehicle and hear them crank up the motor, do you automatically assume that they're going to try to run you over?

I am curious as well - does he live in utter fear of "bad people" with dangerous things (of which there are many)... or just any person with a firearm?

Seems there might be a phobia at work if so...

I think that residents of that community who have ccw permits should make it a point to attend every council meeting for the next couple of years.

That way the few who oppose them will have to decide if they want to represent the citizens of the community or run away from every meeting.

reply to post by Sandcastler


If I were the Mayor, I'd be asking that guy to resign. I'd be very upset if I ever had to apologize for a panel member's move to poke a hole in the Second Amendment and tried to disarm a concerned citizen with a CCW who is also exercising his right to free speech and free expression.

reply to post by Afterthought


Who says you are a responsible gun owner?

I don't know that, who deemed you responsible? Can I check a registry somewhere that deems you responsible?

I'm sorry, but owning a gun doesn't make you special, having a CCW permit doesn't make you special. It doesn't make you responsible, it doesn't make you nobel, it doesn't make you a better person. In my opinion, all it says to me is that you are paranoid and live in constant fear.

I dont understand what the problem is, this is the very definition of democracy.

The baldy man is not comfortable with someone being armed whilst in that room, thats fair enough isnt it?

He makes his discomfort be known, and proposes a motion, which is then voted on in a democratic fashion.

I do not see anything wrong about this, even if it went the other way, it would be democracy. And thats something many people cannot comprehend about true democracy, even if the vote does not go your way, you have to live it, and thats that.

My major problem with the video however was the former soldier saying he was injured whilst defending his second amendment right. He may have miss-spoke, but if he believes he was fighting in Afghanistan in order to defend and uphold his second amendment rights, then I too like the baldy man would not be comfortable with an unbalanced psychopath like that in the same room with me, especialy knowing he is armed.

reply to post by xedocodex


OK. Let's throw all the special training that goes into acquiring a CCW. You want to know how I know that a licensed gun owner is responsible? Well, I don't, but I'm pretty sure that they're the guys who are going to stand up if I'm getting assaulted in the street some day.

Getting back to your question, are you licensed to drive a vehicle?
If you are licensed, how do I know that you're a responsible driver?
I don't. Which is why I have to wait until you screw up behind the wheel to a certain degree to scream that you should have your car taken away. It would be irresponsible of me to think that you aren't a responsible driver just because I hate cars and I believe the people who drive them are dangerous and not right in the head.
Do you see how ridiculous that all sounds?

reply to post by Afterthought


Just another Non-US Citizen thinking that their false opinions and assumptions matter in US related issues.

Nothing more.

Originally posted by starshift
The actions of that councilman were very cowardly. So he has made a commitment to work within the system yet chooses to walk away due to his fearful imagination. Our military men and women do not walk away when they are uncomfortable and if they did, there are consequences. He has no place in making decisions for other people and should return to his mothers basement where she can keep an eye on him for his own safety of course.

obviously, the council member felt threatened, has he been harrassed before?...has his life been threatened or that of his family? why would a person with a CCW feel the need to carry into a council room on question night, a weapon, if it clearly wasn't for his own protection, was it to intimidate? did any of the other citizens there for question night, feel threatened or intimidated by this young man carrying a concealed weapon?

reply to post by jimmyx


SO, your fear and the councilman's fear trump a persons Guaranteed Right?

Man I am glad that a person in your mindset lives in CA. Please stay there, as it would be sad to see your Progressive Liberal ideals infecting other states anymore then what is currently happening.

How is the gun violence crime going in your State and City??

Originally posted by xedocodex
And any place can ask you to leave for any reason they wish, especially if you are a perceived threat. Sure, you can yell and scream about it, but the police will still escort you off the property.

Actually, you are correct but it’s called a concealed carry permit for a reason... No one in that room would have even known he had a firearm and therefore no cause to believe or perceive him a threat had he not graciously consented to answer the counselman's question. Did you see the part in which thier lawyer said the man had no obligation to answer? Just like every day when I carry mine - no one even knows it’s there...

Originally posted by xedocodex
You make me laugh with your Rambo-esq thinking and high and mighty gun owner mentality.

I am certainly no Rambo; however, I am certain I know how to use firearms responsibly. So too does the local Sheriff through whom I requested the permit. Actually, we go turkey hunting on my property every fall... so he knows I am a better shot than he is.

You are unqualified to make a judgment as to my (or anyone else’s) fitness nor are you qualified, deputized or empowered to question me regarding the legality of its presence should you somehow catch a glimpse.

Your suspicion of my fitness to carry or of my right to do so (more likely fear) should you catch a glimpse of my firearm is completely irrelevant if you are not the proprietor of the business or owner of the property. If you chose to call the police because you simply saw a person with a firearm they are just going to ask to see my permit...after which I will walk away and you will look like an overreactive fearmonger wasting the police's time.

Call enough times for something stupid like that and like the boy who cried wolf they will simply cease to respond.

I carried a gun for politicians for 24 years certainly they should be comfortable having me carry one around them.

You do not make me laugh you make me sad...I weep for the nation if you are the future.

Just realized something here... the same ones who are questioning this guys actions (CCW permit holder) are probably the same ones who think the NDAA and patriot act are good things... probably the same ones who think gun free zones work too. (Could be wrong here)

Sounds like fear & paranoia to me... which leads to well... laws/bills like the ones above.

Either we live in fear and run away/scream for big brother's help or live life to the fullest with no fear and no worries about anyone else and what they do. I personally like the second option.

Originally posted by Afterthought
reply to post by Sandcastler

 

If I were the Mayor, I'd be asking that guy to resign. I'd be very upset if I ever had to apologize for a panel member's move to poke a hole in the Second Amendment and tried to disarm a concerned citizen with a CCW who is also exercising his right to free speech and free expression.

what does the word "inappropriate" mean to you....that council member has the same "RIGHT" to protect himself as does that young man who has the CCW. since the council member DID NOT have a gun, if that young man had pulled out that gun and started firing, that council member COULD NOT have protected himself....therefore, in lieu of that, he left, the surest way he knew at that time TO protect himself.

so now, you want the mayor to have that council member fired because he left, due to feeling threatened,.....can't have it both ways....

reply to post by Power_Semi


Lawl.....if they can travel 100 light years then i think no matter how much weaponry you had the forces of those beyond this planet would just turn you into dust

But good on the original guy to use cool and calm logic and place his argument in such a way that he cant be ignored

reply to post by Power_Semi

I don't fear those things, I am armed.

reply to post by jimmyx


If the Councilman is afraid of law abiding CCW holdering citizens, he may be suffering from a phobia.
I'm afraid of fireworks for no reason whatsoever. Seriously.
I was never burned by one and never experienced a dangerous situation where fireworks were involved. I wasn't afraid of them at first, then at the age of about 7 or 8, I developed a terrible fear of them.
Maybe this is what has happened to this Councilman. Somewhere along the line, he has developed a fear of guns and those who possess them are included in this fear.
Just my two cents though...

Hey that is a good way to get the propagandiated people out of a room quickly.
Tell them you're armed in a post Sandy Hook America.

Really though, all due respect to the Mayor and others who did not forget what he swore to protect and defend.