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Originally posted by logical7
reply to post by HoneyBe
Why would God love Israel so much to call it His son on numerous accounts but Israel is mentioned in contrast to that in Quran? The further we go in this discussion the more we are seeing the contradictions in the Quran with comparison to The Bible (as a whole)
OT as its name suggest is old, a better word would be ancient. God did favour Israel in the ancient time, then however the Israel dint respond back to God in kind and OT and the NT point to that later. Qur'an just tells it all in a simplified manner. I however was hoping that we remain on track. When i agree to take Bible in discussions it doesnt mean that you have to use every verse in it to question Qur'an. I can and will answer it easily but it will be a waste of time. In short i'l just use Bible to doubt enough the christian belief. Consider me an atheist/agnostic if that helps you stay on track.
The entire agenda and purpose behind false religion is to keep the truth HIDDEN.
Are you changing horses in the middle of the stream? I specifically asked you before the discussion began if you are Muslim, you said yes. So I do not want to get myself confused now trying to consider you a non-believer in God at all. Or then again, I have questioned on many accounts whether my own Muslim husband even believed in God or was he a Muslim by name only. So which are you?
Originally posted by Murgatroid
reply to post by HoneyBe
Things start to make more sense when you understand the true origins of all false religions.
Every major religion in the world has been manufactured or infiltrated by the Illuminati to enslave and brainwash society.
I am convinced that the REAL hidden purpose behind most religion is to keep us SEPARATED from God.
The root meaning of the word religion means to connect with God but religion does exactly the opposite.
The entire agenda and purpose behind false religion is to keep the truth HIDDEN.
OT is not old, it is like the backbone of the NT, without it the Jewish or Hebrew and others would never have known the prophecies God sent about the Messiah, God provided all the signs, the symbols, the literal things to look for and one prophet even showed us a glimpse of what would take place at Jesus' betrayal onto death. Genesis is the Alpha and Revelation is the Omega of God's voice echoed through time, nothing old or worn out about God's voice, once He loved Israel, He will always love Israel "even in their punishment" but NEVER will God abandon His love for Israel, the sooner the world accepts that, specifically the Muslim's, the better for them. God is known for sending in a punish-er on Israel and then later punishing the punish-er ten time as hard. Israel is God's beloved. Like it or not.
Originally posted by logical7
reply to post by HoneyBe
Are you changing horses in the middle of the stream? I specifically asked you before the discussion began if you are Muslim, you said yes. So I do not want to get myself confused now trying to consider you a non-believer in God at all. Or then again, I have questioned on many accounts whether my own Muslim husband even believed in God or was he a Muslim by name only. So which are you?
are you always that tangent or just here?
I said while discussing a topic dont always disect my belief based on a post i make. I put OT verses to show that God did use "son" incidently that verse puts israel as good so you ask me have i stopped believing Qur'an or that you "won" by pointing another contradiction in it. uh? Is the topic Qur'an? Its you who asked me to stay on topic if you remember. I am fine with either approach but make up your mind and at least dont knowingly go into these useless tangents.
Rather than answering me, you are diverting, hope it wont happen.
Originally posted by logical7
reply to post by HoneyBe
That was romantic! who cares about basic justice and truth not God right? And then people wonder why Qur'an makes more sense.
And talking about tangents, this above quote by you would be another example. God's love of israel? Now is that the topic?
That a little bit strange and also a bit unfair. Stand firmly in what you believe and defend it righteously if you know that it is true, you'll gain a lot more respect from me specifically.
You are in some bad mood or something and taking everything in the negative, this is not way to discuss, we were doing so good before today and I was complimenting you on your open mind and eagerness without being nasty to me personally, but today something has changed. Go back to how you were if you would like to continue this discussion please.
Originally posted by logical7
reply to post by HoneyBe
my mood is fine. It just appeared that you were knowingly going into tangents and i dont have much tolerance for that. I am sorry if i misunderstood it. Questioning my(and your husband's) faith when i was suggesting to not consider my belief was uncalled for. It was too quick and too tangent of a judgement.
Originally posted by HoneyBe
Originally posted by logical7
reply to post by HoneyBe
my mood is fine. It just appeared that you were knowingly going into tangents and i dont have much tolerance for that. I am sorry if i misunderstood it. Questioning my(and your husband's) faith when i was suggesting to not consider my belief was uncalled for. It was too quick and too tangent of a judgement.
You're right, it was out of line and off track, just something I have witnessed before and felt always that it's a poor argument to pretend you're something you're not, rather than standing or backing on what you are as your foundation. My thread here is finding truth, I fell much in love with Islam when reading the Quran, but two things happened to change that love to doubt, one is posted in the OP, the other is witnessing Muslim's are not bit a different than Christians and both LABELS have put God in a bad light for others, many people are disgusted enough with these two Religions that they won't come near unto God and so who is going to pay the final price? We are of course, for stamping ourselves as true believers but preaching and teaching hypocritically in God's name. (That was a tangent) I admit it, but it needs to be said here, there is nothing stopping us from being better people and letting God's light shine through us for others, it is never too late as long as we are breathing.
Originally posted by logical7
if you think that islam is a false illuminati backed religion, why are they bombing and killing muslims all over in the name of terrorism? Or are the super powers and corporations on the "good" christian side? Maybe the illuminati got it all wrong, they should turn around and focus on christians. Right?
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Originally posted by HoneyBe
Your avatar scared me btw...it moved!
And I just now went to Bible Gateway to get the exact verse for you and the verse of the day was IT! I wish I could take a snapshot and prove to you, I about fell out of my seat praising God with how He confirms everything that is true...Here is the verse~
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Originally posted by hidingthistime
The more time I spend with God, the more I am learning he speaks to our hearts more than any books....
Sometimes there may be a message in a book, or even a movie, song, or a poem that he may highlight for us if we need it, but generally he speaks through my heart I have learned, and things are MUCH clearer and a lot less frustrating...
I am gaining inner peace and an automatic conscience again, instead of measuring everything I do or do not do, against a passage in a book, or the eyes of religion...
I find my choices are becoming a lot wiser now that I have stopped bargaining about what I may get away with according to a doctrine, and instead following my heart.
My heart is probably a lot stricter, yet so much more free and full of love now...
@logical7: You are asking some VERY important questions that cannot be answered without understanding WHO the Illuminati are and what their agenda and goals are. At the same time Honeybe has created one of the best threads I have seen on ATS in a long time and because of this I don't want to get too far off the topic. Usually I just take a chance and post off topic sometimes but this thread fascinates me because of the fact that the OP has some very rare insight from both sides of the fence. I don't want logical7 to think I am trying to avoid the questions because I believe he/she is very sincere but rather than go off topic I would rather take the questions to another thread or a U2U. If another thread or a U2U is not an option, these links may help: