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MamaJ
reply to post by veteranhumanbeing
How do you know he hasn't been back? We have had some great teachers trying to influence cultures.
He may not have been back since his last incarnation as Jesus.
We can also think back on The book of Enoch and remember whats written there. Everyone would spend 3000+ (cant remember exact years) years confused. I will have to look for the link, and will if you want to see where it is written.
Maybe you are right though, who knows?
Akragon
Most "role playing" games have dungeon masters who are the Gods of the realm... and they are not on the players side...
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AkragonMost "role playing" games have dungeon masters who are the Gods of the realm... and they are not on the players side...
ChronogoblinHad to interject on this one, of this whole thread, I think your quote encapsulates it, and other misguided thoughts. To most DM's, they ARE versus the player. This thought in itself is wrong. I have played with 'player-killer' DM's, and it isn't a very wholesome experience. The point of the game, is to work together, not against each-other.
ChronogoblinThe entire game is better when the DM and the players co-operate to tell a story, and when it clicks, it's magic. The coming together of various forces to achieve is an amazing thing to witness. I think that's the entire point of the game, to work together to tell a better story. My goodness I never realized how much RPG's mimic the nuances and realities of life.
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ChronogoblinIf you think of God as a DM, his job becomes so much easier to understand. His job is not to make your life easy, his job is to make your life interesting, and join with you in the overcoming, and the eventual reveling in the victory you won. Brilliance. Seems a lot of people see it as US Vs/ GOD. IMO, that's just not the way it is.
chronogoblinOn-Topic: I have never really been able to reconcile the actions and representations of God in the Old Testament, with the acts and traits of the God of the New. Until I realized, that we, as a people, are trying to wrap our tiny little brains around infinity. That we, the construct, are trying to define the divine, or the creator. Using our own limited (and oft times ignorant) understanding of the nature of reality, no less. I tend to think of it as Sims trying to understand the player who created them.
chronogoblinthis is directed at no-one. I think the Bible has been edited too many times, by too many hands. You must separate the wheat, from the chaff. What is the real word, and what has been added, and/or imagined? That is for each person to decide I think. I tend to think that the universe itself is the physical manifestation of God, so that would mean that, by definition, God IS Satan. Because God is all. Does that make him bad? Is the Grim Reaper evil because he takes life? I think not. I think the devil performs exactly as the divine wills it. No more, no less. We are all allotted our roles to play. Even the Devil. For all those that rail against the 'unfair' nature of this game, I say unto you, even the Devil has to play by the rules, why should you be any different?
"Ascribe to Yahweh, O sons of EL, ascribe to Yahweh glory and strength."
Psalm 29:1
"For who in the skies can be compared to Yahweh, who among the sons of EL is like Yahweh,"
Psalm 89:6
"When El Elyon gave to the nations their inheritance,
when he separated the sons of men,
he fixed the bounds of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God.
For Yahweh's portion is his people,
Jacob his allotted inheritance."
deuteronomy 32:8-9
CaticusMaximus
As I see it, Yahweh, the god of the bible, is in fact none other than the Great Deceiver himself, Satan. A far cry from the loving and compassionate god that his deceived followers claim he is, the bible pretty much says he is an ego-maniacal god of war and tyranny who if not obeyed, claims he will send you into eternal torture. He rules via fear and intimidation as tyrants do. He requires death for the smallest of infractions, and even demands the murder of entire cities/nations for arbitrary reasons.
Yet he has managed to garner billions of followers on this world who give him tribute in the form of worship, prayer and sacrifice, ie: energy, and they all believe he is a merciful and loving god, when the facts say otherwise.
Who else could pull off a stunt like this of such enormity but the Father of Lies himself?
Even more to the credit of this intelligence, it has even gotten the world to demonize the one who made a stand and attempted to overthrow the tyrant, and was even perhaps partially successful: Lucifer. Lucifer is reviled in most religions that recognize him as an entity, but their beliefs rely on the false premise that he was attempting to overthrow a merciful and loving god, when in fact the opposite was clearly the case. He was making a stand for the freedom of a people, knowing that he would receive little to no credit whatsoever.
Look at the story of the garden... the story is a big allegory of course, but allegorical for what, exactly? It was Lucifer who brought knowledge to Adam and Eve, and showed them the bondage of ignorance they were restrained in. As Lucifer can be translated from Greek as "Bringer of Dawn", it is fitting to call the garden story the allegory of humanitys long night in the darkness of ignorance, and the "Bringer of Dawn" who signaled the impending rising of the light, and the banishing of the dark.
Any wonder why Yahweh got mad? Just like our own tyrannical governments of this day and age, an informed and educated people were/are this entities worst enemy. Lucifer broke Yahwehs monopoly/dominance over and control of information.
But instead of recognizing this, the vast majority believes Lucifer is a demon, and some deluded ones even worship him as such.
Its interesting to look at how the same tactics of deception are still in use today, and that indeed nothing much has changed in evils play book of covering up the truth. Blatant lies, propaganda, information control and the obfuscation of the truth by mixing it with disinformation, all tactics currently in heavy use in the tyrannical government regimes around the globe, including all of the West, have their methods rooted in ancient times.
They would have you believe black is white, up is down, and 2+2=5; for millennia this has been the case, and it has been successful, and only very recently is this being challenged by people in any significant numbers.
Also:
Christians might claim they worship Jesus, not Yahweh. Perhaps they do, but why do they worship someone who clearly did not seek the peoples worship, nor wanted to be anyones leader? It is clear Jesus wanted one thing: not worship, but for the people to emulate his behavior, to be LIKE him, not to think him a god and beg him for free stuff. Thats the OLD way, which he came to uproot. He called us his friends and siblings, NOT his minions and serfs.
Unfortunately, it hasnt been uprooted that well... instead of the people thinking for themselves about his words, they depend on an authority, controlled by the same evil that would or does have them all worshiping a clearly genocidal maniac, to read the words, interpret them, and then spoon feed them the meaning.
I might say Jesus and Lucifer are one in the same. Wouldnt it be ironic, but strangely sensical that the original Bringer of Dawn, demonized through out the ages, who expects nothing in return, would come back to further assist knowing he would probably be murdered by those he was trying to save?
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Whats the conspiracy here? Its that billions of people have been brainwashed into believing that evil is good, and good is evil, and would be willing to die to defend their false notions. What better way to divide the people than to make them into walking contradictions, thinking they are doing good, when they are really doing evil? They have the people unwittingly divided at their very most core level; themselves.
Its also that theyve got you believing the truth is complicated through years of mandatory indoctrination at school.
Its not.
Set the mountains of manure in the 3,000 page "holy" book ablaze, and after the fire dies and the wind scatters the ashes some tiny precious gems will remain steadfast and eternal, outliving the convolution and obfuscation of what they were buried under.
"Treat others as you would be treated" is the first gem, and most powerful IMO.
"Love your neighbor as yourself" is the second.
There is nothing else we need to know or exercise to reveal the truth, and come out of the illusion. Those two things are so simple... so precise! Think of what they include, but also, perhaps even more importantly, think of what they EXCLUDE. Any mention of worshiping anyone? Any mention of what KIND of neighbor to love? Any mention of exceptions to WHO should be treated as you would like to be?
So stop worshiping Yahweh/Satan. You are giving your energy to evil. Stop worshiping Jesus. He wants you to emulate his actions, not be smug and complacent because you think youve got a free ticket to heaven.
And above all, stop complicating things. It really is that simple. Love others, treat others with love, and the world will turn on a dime and the most ancient of conspiracies to divide and conquer the people will disintegrate before the conspirators eyes... and ours.edit on 1/20/2013 by CaticusMaximus because: Grammar
Earfling
I've always felt this was the case. It's obvious the entity described in the bible as God is an evil entity.
NZkraw1
i thought i post a video link here.
the video is an ancient aliens episode about the Satan conspiracy. it talks about how Satan may have actually been the good one that tried to help humanity with knowledge and technology. it covers topics including, exorcism, possession, revelations, and gods of other cultures which may be synonymous with Satan as an actual entity or extraterrestrial. out of all the documentaries involving Satan that i have seen this one is the most open-minded and has the least christian views (e.g Satan is evil repent or burn.) its definitely worth watching.