Yahweh = Satan. They have you worshiping evil.

Originally posted by VeritasAequitas

Originally posted by NihilistSanta
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Rather than a long winded defense of how Nazism and theosophy are not linked

How about you address the other points in my post. Instead you show us your naivety and how someone can come to the conclusion that God = the devil by reading channeled (by whom?)convoluted amalgamated inversions by the likes of Blavatsky . The people who's ideas helped to form the ideology of the Nazi party.

Judge a tree by its fruits. Lets see God - Fruits = Life, Choice, Intelligence, Existence, Love,Salvation
Devil - Fruits = Fall from grace, Pride, Deception, Death(?),

So instead of debunking my own rebuttal's of your ignorance on the symbols your wrongly classified; you go off on a rant about Blavatsky because of Hitler who misinterpreted her works?

Yeah whatever man. Try and have a reasonable debate next time

The thread isn't about Nazism that was only mentioned to illustrate how your inverted view and the source of your view (theosophy) are related to Nazism. Pick up a book or better yet use the search feature. Hitler was not the only occultist in the 3rd Reich and many of them hand contact with or were theosophist. You have attempted to derail the thread with your litany of quotes about your theosophical symbol. All of your post have been a rant about God because of the misinterpretations of Blavatsky. See how that works? I might have to borrow this inversion thing from you guys.

Originally posted by VeritasAequitas
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How about you actually read Blavatsky's work, in context mind you, I know how you religious zealots like to take esoteric texts out of context to suit your blasphemous agendas, which by the way, your God disproves of; and determine the kind of beliefs and ideals she really advocated...Hm?

Ive read both the Isis Unveiled books and The Secret Doctrine. Have you read the Bible at all? You stated you are only 20 well you are beginning down a road I have much experience with. I studied the occult for years and even actually belonged to a real Amalgamated/Universal religion instead of just waxing intellectual in forums. You assume much and your youthful inexperience is showing.

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You assume much and your youthful inexperience is showing.

So because you don't rebut my evidence that you were clearly wrong about the connection of those symbols to Nazism, all of which existed before Hitler was even born, much less a conceived concept; you resort to attacking my age?

Read a couple of my threads, I've contributed quite a bit of information that is as unique as I am, age is the least of my flaws...Age has no bearing on experience or intelligence, this is a very common character assassination technique and reeks of deception...

For that, you have lost any respect I might have previously had for you, regardless of your beliefs or religion. I, unlike others, don't seek to belittle or get into a pissing contest with who's 'religion' is mightier...

I have read much of the Bible...You didn't rebut my comments on that either; so what gives Mr. Enlightened?

Originally posted by NihilistSanta

Originally posted by VeritasAequitas

Originally posted by NihilistSanta
reply to post by VeritasAequitas

 

Rather than a long winded defense of how Nazism and theosophy are not linked

How about you address the other points in my post. Instead you show us your naivety and how someone can come to the conclusion that God = the devil by reading channeled (by whom?)convoluted amalgamated inversions by the likes of Blavatsky . The people who's ideas helped to form the ideology of the Nazi party.

Judge a tree by its fruits. Lets see God - Fruits = Life, Choice, Intelligence, Existence, Love,Salvation
Devil - Fruits = Fall from grace, Pride, Deception, Death(?),

So instead of debunking my own rebuttal's of your ignorance on the symbols your wrongly classified; you go off on a rant about Blavatsky because of Hitler who misinterpreted her works?

Yeah whatever man. Try and have a reasonable debate next time

The thread isn't about Nazism that was only mentioned to illustrate how your inverted view and the source of your view (theosophy) are related to Nazism. Pick up a book or better yet use the search feature. Hitler was not the only occultist in the 3rd Reich and many of them hand contact with or were theosophist. You have attempted to derail the thread with your litany of quotes about your theosophical symbol. All of your post have been a rant about God because of the misinterpretations of Blavatsky. See how that works? I might have to borrow this inversion thing from you guys.

By the way; my view of the Bible is not based on Theosophy or even Blavatsky. I read the Bible and concluded it horse# before I even read any of Theosophy or Blavatsky's works....Which was roughly last year, when I joined.

Your crass assumptions are showing....I was a Christian for many years before I just woke up and was able to understand that it was not the 'truth' by any means of the word....

Hence my acceptance of Theosophy has nothing to do with Blavatsky; Blavatsky is about as relevant to Theosophy as Hitler is to the Swastika....

THEOSOPHIST. It comes to us from the Alexandrian philosophers, called lovers of truth, Philaletheians, from phil "loving," and aletheia "truth." The name Theosophy dates from the third century of our era, and began with Ammonius Saccas and his disciples, who started the Eclectic Theosophical system.

It predates her; sorry but your ignorance on this is showing...Age doesn't mean anything but a fabricated perception of time and numbers..Age has no bearing on intelligence I am sorry to inform you.

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If Yahweh brought about the flood to kill all living things because of his distaste, and he destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah by fire by himself, and was able to kill all the Egyptian's first born without help. why did he need simple tribal people to go out and murder in his name?

I’m not arguing against your point here. Just adding another perspective for thought.

At least with the flood story the idea that God did this simply because he did not like the people living on the Earth (they were too loud or something) is one theory.

It is quite possible that a cosmic event was about to take place, one that might have happened before and since at predictable times. This event could have been predicted by anyone that had an understanding of math and astronomy and the means to observe. Yahweh could have predicted this which would make this prediction a prophecy. Having fore knowledge of an event that might wipe out all life on the planet, what do you do? If you’re indifferent with the people of Earth, or even find them annoying, you might do nothing.

In this theory God does not create the flood but predicts it and does nothing to stop it. But as the story goes God told Noah about this impending disaster and instructs him on how to survive this event and here we all are.

Slavery in the Bible

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)

The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)

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So because the theosophist use an ancient term that means they go back to the time of that ancient term? but if Nazis use theosophist symbols they have no relation to theosophy?

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Rape in the Bible

1) Murder, rape, and pillage at Jabesh-gilead (Judges 21:10-24 NLT)

So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children. "This is what you are to do," they said. "Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin." Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan. The Israelite assembly sent a peace delegation to the little remnant of Benjamin who were living at the rock of Rimmon. Then the men of Benjamin returned to their homes, and the four hundred women of Jabesh-gilead who were spared were given to them as wives. But there were not enough women for all of them. The people felt sorry for Benjamin because the LORD had left this gap in the tribes of Israel. So the Israelite leaders asked, "How can we find wives for the few who remain, since all the women of the tribe of Benjamin are dead? There must be heirs for the survivors so that an entire tribe of Israel will not be lost forever. But we cannot give them our own daughters in marriage because we have sworn with a solemn oath that anyone who does this will fall under God's curse." Then they thought of the annual festival of the LORD held in Shiloh, between Lebonah and Bethel, along the east side of the road that goes from Bethel to Shechem. They told the men of Benjamin who still needed wives, "Go and hide in the vineyards. When the women of Shiloh come out for their dances, rush out from the vineyards, and each of you can take one of them home to be your wife! And when their fathers and brothers come to us in protest, we will tell them, 'Please be understanding. Let them have your daughters, for we didn't find enough wives for them when we destroyed Jabesh-gilead. And you are not guilty of breaking the vow since you did not give your daughters in marriage to them.'

"So the men of Benjamin did as they were told. They kidnapped the women who took part in the celebration and carried them off to the land of their own inheritance. Then they rebuilt their towns and lived in them. So the assembly of Israel departed by tribes and families, and they returned to their own homes. Obviously these women were repeatedly raped. These sick bastards killed and raped an entire town and then wanted more virgins, so they hid beside the road to kidnap and rape some more. How can anyone see this as anything but evil?

2) Murder, rape and pillage of the Midianites (Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)

They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.

Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded. "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves. Clearly Moses and God approves of rape of virgins.

3) More Murder Rape and Pillage (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)

As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you. What kind of God approves of murder, rape, and slavery?

Originally posted by NihilistSanta
reply to post by VeritasAequitas

 

So because the theosophist use an ancient term that means they go back to the time of that ancient term? but if Nazis use theosophist symbols they have no relation to theosophy?

That isn't even a valid analogy...You forgot to mention that the Nazi's used only ONE of those symbols...None of those are even 'Theosophist' symbols...They are merely symbols, tools, available for use by anybody....It is the intent with which they are used...

You also neglected the fact that the ONE symbol the Nazi's did steal, they used it rather incorrectly...The original Theosophist's didn't even use those symbols, as a logo...The logo was created by Blavatsky, who let's point out did not originate these symbols, but used them for the truth in their meanings...

Are you intentionally being that obtuse?

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In reference to slavery all you have done is list areas where it is mentioned with no context. The Bible uses language in many ways some symbolic and some literal. The parable at the end you quoted is an example of taking things out of context. In that instance Jesus is not talking about literal slavery.

You are merely showing that your assumptions are based on a poor understanding of the Bible which should lead you to reconsider your ideas. The time of Exodus is a beginning period of nation building for the Israelites and they needed laws to distinguish them from the cultures around them to show that they were Gods people. We are trying to impose our ways and views of the world on the ancients and it doesn't work like that. The prevailing reality of the world up until recently is that slavery existed and was ingrained in society. At least the Jews had a codified system of dealing ethically with their slaves even allowing them to be freed.

Your perspective is so minute, mine as well. We can not know fully Gods intents or plans. For all we know slavery was necesarry in a butterfly effect type of way so that a prophecy would come about. This is what I mean about trying to impose our mindset on the ancients. God was working for a desired result with the Jews and there are many variables we can not fathom.

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4) Laws of Rape (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)

If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

What kind of crazy, and more than likely delusional being, thinks it is considered 'righteous' to bind rape victims to their attacker? Your answer would be Yahweh....Or because this comes from the OT, are you going to declare it invalid in light of the NT? Typical cop-out by religious zealots...By the way, would you consider binding rape victims to their attackers today? What about the little girl who was mentally handicapped, and was gang raped by the boys in her classroom who held her under a desk, and gave her a concussion by beating her in the head with a textbook every time she tried to emerge? How would it work in this case? Is she meant to take turns with each one of them? You are a sick and twisted individual, and if you deny that, you must concede to the point that the God you worship, very much is...

5) Death to the Rape Victim (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)

If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.

Rape implies non-consensual sex...You are going to tell me that a woman who is raped, isn't going to scream or cry for help? Or would it be a different matter if they were under duress; say I dunno, had a knife forced to their throat?

10) God Assists Rape and Plunder (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)

Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst. And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city. (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)

This is some moral, and righteous God you have here Bub.

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Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told." (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)



good stuff...

Genesis 6 really explains a lot...so does Genesis 4 and the line of Cain...

Also, check out the descendants of Ham, that's where all the tribes that needed to get wiped out come from.

As far as I'm concerned, even Christians are not well versed in the true context of the Scriptures and the Old Testament narrative. Yahweh was protecting a bloodline for the Messiah to save humanity. He was doing it through one line for humanity.

So the TP argument is a non-issue.

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So, the sixth commandment should be edited to...

Thou shalt not commit murder......unless God says it is okay..

Now wait just a tick; didn't God tell Satan it was okay to go ahead and kill Job's family?

Some logic you have here NS.

Originally posted by VeritasAequitas
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So, the sixth commandment should be edited to...

Thou shalt not commit murder......unless God says it is okay..

Now wait just a tick; didn't God tell Satan it was okay to go ahead and kill Job's family?

Some logic you have here NS.

According to Jesus It would be "thou shall not Harm"

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Originally posted by NihilistSanta
In reference to slavery all you have done is list areas where it is mentioned with no context. The Bible uses language in many ways some symbolic and some literal. The parable at the end you quoted is an example of taking things out of context. In that instance Jesus is not talking about literal slavery.

Please, tell me where 'context' makes any of that okay....I'm waiting.... So the Bible uses language in symbolic and literality. Glad we could agree on that point; but by who's authority do you determine just when and where it is doing so? That is your interpretation, which I would like to point out, does not make it right.

Originally posted by Akragon
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Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told." (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)

good stuff...

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You do realize this is prophecy? This is not literal but spiritual? You guys really need to understand the book you are criticizing.

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Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

So basically anybody who exercises their free-will to not believe some tyrannical God, should be put to death....So much for freedom of speech/thought, and free will...I'm highly disappointed in God's touted morality...

Anybody who believes you need God to determine right from wrong, to be righteous or moral, waaaay needs to take a lesson in what their 'God' considers righteous and moral...I don't know about you; but this aint' it by a long shot..

Originally posted by VeritasAequitas
reply to post by NihilistSanta

 

Originally posted by NihilistSanta
In reference to slavery all you have done is list areas where it is mentioned with no context. The Bible uses language in many ways some symbolic and some literal. The parable at the end you quoted is an example of taking things out of context. In that instance Jesus is not talking about literal slavery.

Please, tell me where 'context' makes any of that okay....I'm waiting.... So the Bible uses language in symbolic and literality. Glad we could agree on that point; but by who's authority do you determine just when and where it is doing so? That is your interpretation, which I would like to point out, does not make it right.

edit on 23-1-2013 by VeritasAequitas because: (no reason given)

Ah see this is million dollar question eh? They have you spend all your time and energy researching theosophy which is just ignorant heathens reaffirming their ignorance of the Bible to inflate their egos imho and so you dont learn to read the Bible. It isnt just the Bible this apply to any holy book I dont profess to be an expert on Islam nor could I pick up a koran and read a verse and tell you its meaning without understanding the language, how it was written, the customs of the day etc.

This was something that "clicked" for me when I became a Christian. I realized all of my intellectual criticisms of the Bible were based on my own ignorance in reading and interpreting the Bible.

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If its your Gods prophecy then it came to pass... correct?

Originally posted by VeritasAequitas
reply to post by Akragon

 

Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

So basically anybody who exercises their free-will to not believe some tyrannical God, should be put to death....So much for freedom of speech/thought, and free will...I'm highly disappointed in God's touted morality...

Anybody who believes you need God to determine right from wrong, to be righteous or moral, waaaay needs to take a lesson in what their 'God' considers righteous and moral...I don't know about you; but this aint' it by a long shot..

The God of the OT is not the Father of creation...

I think that was the premise of this thread...