Obama Identity Theft Scandal Video

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I dont believe that it is a set up to cause chaos and declare all laws signed by him null and void. But I agree that he has been groomed for the job and perhaps something greater in 4 years (head of the UN with real global governance powers) by his communist handlers. Some even think that he is the AntiChrist (a biblical reference to his name meaning "lightning" and the quote from Jesus saying that "I saw Satan fall like lightning"; Luke 10:18).

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That sort of backs up the birth cert is a promissory note theory.

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There are more but they say the same thing after a while.

Originally posted by hellobruce

Originally posted by Helious
Yes, proven to be a forgery.

Proven by what "experts" exactly? None of the experts have even examined the documents, so how can they "prove" anything? The courts have shown that the "experts" were not really proper experts.... but you somehow ignore that.

but I have seen enough actual hard, factual evidence that the documents are without a doubt forged.

No, you have seen zero evidence that they were forged. Funny how you demand all these records from no previous President, but as soon as the first black President is elected somehow they must show you all these documents, and even when they do show them you claim that they are forgeries....

What are you on about? None of what experts? Plenty of experts have said every single piece of documentation from the birth certificate to the draft card are blatant forgery. Since you seem to be a mainstream guy, why don't you do me a favor and check out the investigation from the Maricopa county sheriffs team. While I do not support Mr. Arpio or endorse his politics or even like him as a person, the investigation his team has done has been top notch and worthy of any detective unit in any state.

Facts are facts pal, go out, sniff around, do your own homework, I get tired of educating "skeptics" when they aren't even aware of the damning material against the cause there trying to defend. It kind of defeats the whole purpose of being a skeptic and sorta just makes you seem like a troll.

Originally posted by Helious
Plenty of experts have said every single piece of documentation from the birth certificate to the draft card are blatant forgery.

No real expert would declare a document that they have never seen a forgery.... and as to the draft card, how did they get it?

check out the investigation from the Maricopa county sheriffs team. While I do not support Mr. Arpio or endorse his politics or even like him as a person, the investigation his team has done has been top notch and worthy of any detective unit in any state.

No, their investigation was just nonsense. if they had any real evidence they would have done something with it (apart from using it for a book)....

Facts are facts pal,

They certainly are, that is why courts have declared Obama a natural born citizen, and he willl be the legal president for 4 more years. All the "evidence" used in about 200 birther court cases has been rejected as nonsense.

do your own homework,

You must think "research" is just posting the nonsense on birther websites.

I get tired of educating "skeptics" when they aren't even aware of the damning material against the cause there trying to defend.

Except that there is no "damning evidence", only birther nonsense! And you are not educating anyone.

Remember what a judge said....

that Judge Charles Marginis was not impressed by her case. He told Taitz, "You should know that evidence is not stuff printed from the internet." He dismissed the case with prejudice and ordered her to pay $4,000 in sanctions to Occidental College for bringing the suit

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Also do you remember Poor Orly being sanctioned $20,000 for

her "frivolous and sanctionable conduct." Taitz filed a lawsuit demanding that President Obama prove his citizenship before deploying an Army captain to Iraq and Afghanistan. However, the soldier herself has disavowed her lawyer and threatened to file a bar complaint against Taitz. Judge Clay Land wrote that Taitz's behavior in the case "borders on delusional" and "demonstrates bad faith."

And that is all birthers do, claim that they have evidence, when in fact all it is is stuff printed from the internet - nothing factual at all. So it looks like you are the one trolling here, as you have no evidence, the same as poor Orly!

reply to post by happykat39


This whole Obama charade might be designed to bring in a national i.d. card with picture, finger prints, biometric data, voting status, gun ownership status, health care status, etc.

reply to post by hellobruce


See, I can do this too!

No real expert would declare a document that they have never seen a forgery.... and as to the draft card, how did they get it?

They haven't seen? The birth certificate was supposed to be a scan of the original and was placed on the official white house web site for everyone too "see". Draft card, yep, again, everyone has seen it. What are you talking about?

No, their investigation was just nonsense. if they had any real evidence they would have done something with it (apart from using it for a book)....

Please educate me as to what facts "they" presented that are nonsense. Please include specifics because not much of that investigation was nonsense and I know because I have followed every piece of it and then did my own research on it so I would be interested to know what part you thought was nonsense. While were on the topic, they are doing something with it and it's a little more constructive than your conjecture on the forums.

They certainly are, that is why courts have declared Obama a natural born citizen, and he willl be the legal president for 4 more years. All the "evidence" used in about 200 birther court cases has been rejected as nonsense.

No court has ever "declared" Obama a natural born citizen. If they have done so then please direct me to one link where ANY court has made a decision on Obama being a natural born citizen. You won't be able to because no such decision has been made and the reason that is so is very simple. Judges are bound to hear cases based on standing and you have to secure that in order to be heard but guess what......? Attaining standing is kinda hard against the standing POTUS, I wonder why?

You must think "research" is just posting the nonsense on birther websites.

Ironic since that is all you have done. I don't think you know a thing about the actual case. I don't think you have seen the evidence and I don't think you really care. I think you just like people to reply to your uninformed posts because it creates a sense of debate for you somehow, regardless of how one sided it may be.

Except that there is no "damning evidence", only birther nonsense! And you are not educating anyone.

There is plenty and for the record, I just educated you.

Also do you remember Poor Orly being sanctioned $20,000 for

Did I every bring "poor Orly" up? Was that person or argument part of the discussion? It was not, which makes this reference deflective, poorly thought out and quite frankly, offensive.

And that is all birthers do, claim that they have evidence, when in fact all it is is stuff printed from the internet - nothing factual at all. So it looks like you are the one trolling here, as you have no evidence, the same as poor Orly!

Again, Ironic as you are doing the same thing you claim others are doing. Making ill informed and uneducated statements on an issue you clearly have done no research on and have no idea of the finer points of the argument. All you do in your defense is argue things like Orly. It's like the 9/11 people saying, OMFG, project blue beam nuts, yeah, holograms, you bunch of crazies without ever touching on any of the REAL evidence.

Try again if you want, but If I waste a second more of time on one of your posts, make it worth it.

wow holy trolling! Reminds me of 911 and Sandy threads. Pteridine been training you guys?

Originally posted by Helious
They haven't seen?

true, they have not seen it

The birth certificate was supposed to be a scan of the original

Wrong, this is why birthers are so funny, they have no idea at all what they post here. Who claimed it was a scan of the original?

Draft card, yep, again, everyone has seen it. What are you talking about?

Please show some proof that is Obama's draft card - who issued it to whom?

While were on the topic, they are doing something with it and it's a little more constructive than your conjecture on the forums.

They are? They held a press conference 6 months ago, and so exactly what have they done with their "evidence"? apart from a book, that is....
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No court has ever "declared" Obama a natural born citizen.

Oh dear, it looks like the birther sites you have gotten your "facts" from must have missed that they have. I have even posted them here in this very thread - but you apparently refuse to read them as they destroy your conspiracy....

If they have done so then please direct me to one link where ANY court has made a decision on Obama being a natural born citizen.

Read this thread - they have been posted in it....

You won't be able to because no such decision has been made

Wrong again, read this thread...

I don't think you have seen the evidence

true, as there is no evidence produced by birthers, only silly made up stories.

Making ill informed and uneducated statements

That would be you, I post actual statements made in court, you post silly made up stuff you got from birther sites.

reply to post by Helious


I'm not going to call myself an "expert" on the matter, but I have 10+ years of recent work experience in and around document imaging and processing, as it relates to scanning and then storing and/or printing documents. I helped to develop many of the recent generations of Hewlett Packard MFPs out on the market.

Give me another Hawaii birth certificate, 5 minutes of time (most of that spent walking to the MFP), and a few button presses and mouse clicks, and I can give you the exact same kind of layering that is seen on the scan that was provided by the White House. Telltale signs of standard OCR, and very, very easy to reproduce with nearly zero effort. No manipulation required, only the verification of settings is needed.

Now, what's this about the BC being fake, anyway? You cant prove it either way, I cant prove it either way, and nobody else that matters has said its a fake. In fact, the only verification that is required is by the State of Hawaii, and they said its real. Case closed.

Originally posted by Asktheanimals

What do suggest then, just giving up?

No, but futility can eliminate motivation.

Do you not realize the power we the people have if and when we all act together towards a common end?

The people only have the illusion of power, and an even more elaborate illusion that they have a choice in those they have empowered over them.

If we don't believe in ourselves first we'll never believe in others.
That's where it all starts along with a faith in our founding documents as a nation.
Anything worth living for is worth dying for.

I admire your faith, and your beliefs.