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Originally posted by hellobruce
Originally posted by Helious
Yes, proven to be a forgery.
Proven by what "experts" exactly?
Originally posted by happykat39
Unless the actual document is produced and verified to be genuine, unlike the forgery already produced, there is no proof, just hearsay.
Just try to go to court and tell the judge that evidence in your favor exists but you can't produce it; however someone has said that they actually saw it.
I don't care how high a position the person making a claim holds, they should be subject to the same rules of evidence as you or I would.
Originally posted by happykat39
No republican would be allowed to get away with such Bravo Sierra. Unless the actual document is produced and verified to be genuine, unlike the forgery already produced, there is no proof, just hearsay. Just try to go to court and tell the judge that evidence in your favor exists but you can't produce it; however someone has said that they actually saw it. Such evidence would not even be considered by a judge, so why should we consider it from Obama and his people. I don't care how high a position the person making a claim holds, they should be subject to the same rules of evidence as you or I would.
Originally posted by kaylaluv
This forgery stuff is absolute hogwash. Everyone in Congress knows it - that's why no one is screaming for an investigation
Originally posted by ausername
Possible embarrassment, ridicule, accusations of racism, slander and worse, also danger of ending a political career in shame as a result of confronting this. In short everyone who has tried has failed miserably... So, why would anyone want to "go there"?
Some things are better left alone?
Originally posted by happykat39
reply to post by kaylaluv
Other candidates have had to provide vetting documents. It is done during the party nomination part of the process. Then the certification that the required eligibility has been provided is included in the documents sent to each individual state. But it has already been shown that the documents sent to Hawaii, oh so conveniently, did not contain this part so the Hawaii officials did not have to sign off on what they knew to be a lie.
I also downloaded the so called long form document from the official White House website as soon as the news that it was a forgery broke. I have the PhotoShop program which can open and examine files created in Illustrator. I was able to see all the layers used to create the forgery. If a document was simply scanned as claimed there would not have been such layers. The idiot in the employ of TPTB knew enough to create the forgery, which still contained enough anomalies to make it questionable, but didn't know enough to use the "flatten" function which would have melded all the layers into one layer and removed any links in the final saved document to the different parts used to create it.
Originally posted by happykat39
I was able to see all the layers used to create the forgery. If a document was simply scanned as claimed there would not have been such layers.
Originally posted by Signals
The guy is not who he says he is, that is indisputable, unarguable fact.
fraudulent / stolen Connecticut SSN
You somehow "forget" that Obama has done exactly the same as every previous President.... but for some reason you want different rules for Obama! Why is that?
Originally posted by MysterX
In my and many peoples view, the reason Obama should do it while other presidents have not been asked to, is that there was never any doubt about previous President's nationality or legitamacy for the American Presidency.
I'm sure you'll agree, whichever way you look at the issue, there is, rightly or wrongly substantial doubt about Obama's.
a very strange picture of a president, seemingly unwilling to assuage the fears of a great many of the American electorate he is currently representing.
the request to produce his documentation is still ignored
If a Government has nothing to hide, or more pertinently, if the leader of that Government has nothing to hide, then they and he would have nothing to fear from releasing legitamate documentation
Originally posted by happykat39
- He has continually refused to allow anything that could show that he was or was not eligible to be president under the constitution to see the light of day, even though it would be the simplest thing in then world to do so.
So why didn't the main stream media report these things
The courts have declared Obama a natural born citizen, but that is something else you ignore.
Originally posted by happykat39
reply to post by hellobruce
The courts have declared Obama a natural born citizen, but that is something else you ignore.
And you still spread disinformation. The courts have done no such thing,
ANKENY v GOVERNOR OF THE STATE OF INDIANA - APPEALS COURT OPINION - 11120903
Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born Citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents
AZ - 2012-03-07 - Allen v Obama C20121317 - ORDER Dismissing Complaint
and this precedent fully supports that President Obama is a natural born citizen under the Constitutionand thus qualified to hold the office of President.
See United States v. Wong Kim Ark , 169 U.S. 649, 702-03(1898) (addressing U. S. Const. amend. XIV);
Ankeny v. Governor of the State of Indiana , 916 N.E.2d 678,684-88 (Ind. App. 2010) (addressing the precise issue). Contrary to Plaintiff’s assertion, Minor v. Happersett ,88 U.S. 162 (1874), does not hold otherwise
Charles Tisdale v. Barack Obama, Ron Paul, Mitt Romney (D.C. Cir. 15-June-2012
On January 17, 2012, Charles Tisdale of Virginia brought a civil action before the US District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia. In the suit, Tisdale alleged that Barack Obama, Mitt Romney and Ron Paul each had a non-citizen parent, and therefore should be barred from the November 6, 2012, presidential ballot in Virginia. An amicus brief was filed in support of the Plaintiff by attorney Mario Apuzzo. District Judge John A. Gibney, Jr., dismissed the suit with prejudice because the Plaintiff "does not to state a claim upon which relief may be granted." Judge Gibney explained: "It is well settled that those born in the United States are considered natural born citizens."
Originally posted by happykat39
That still doesn't explain why two of his relatives have claimed that he was born in Kenya
And a single court ruling
be convinced by a single judge
give that ruling in the face of all the evidence to the contrary.
This issue will not be so easily settled unless and until Obama actually allows the PUBLIC examination of the documents in question.